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Post by Chris on Jun 9, 2021 4:14:07 GMT -5
- Even assuming Supergirl stopped to use her X-ray vision in order to avoid plumbing, electrical wires, and gas lines... ...where the hell did she get a hydraulic lift from?? ...because Supergirl?!? She could have just built one. She could have gotten something similar from the Fortress and modified it. You just know Superman has all kinds of equipment in there for his crazy experiments. (In fact, that same month in World's Finest #274, Batman used a device in the Fortress to give himself super powers. It was the end of a 3-part story about someone called the Weapons Master stealing all kinds of super-tech from the Fortress. So, hydraulic lift? Sure, no problem! No doubt Superman had one when he needed to do maintenance on the Supermobile.) And if nothing else, she could have just gone to any auto body shop in the country and said, "Hey, I've saved your lives at least ten times over. Can i have this hydraulic lift in return? Also, I'll give you some rocks I found on the Moon, they're worth lots of money. Thanks." On another Batman Family note, the first part of that WF story featured a little character bit involving Robin. I don't know if you are aware of it, so here it is. From Worlds Finest #272, October 1981.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 10, 2021 5:16:34 GMT -5
...where the hell did she get a hydraulic lift from?? ...because Supergirl?!? She could have just built one. She could have gotten something similar from the Fortress and modified it. You just know Superman has all kinds of equipment in there for his crazy experiments. Well, yes. It's just odd how specific she is about how she accomplishes all the rest (hollowing out areas, applying super pressure, and...HYDRAULIC LIFT as if it had been in her pocket all along!) I stopped looking at the World's Finest stories for this thread when it became obvious that Robin was still being characterized like it was 1970 in that title. It's great to see World's Finest has finally caught up. Thanks for this, Chris! Now I'm wondering if I need to start including the WF stories in these reviews...
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Post by zaku on Jun 10, 2021 11:01:11 GMT -5
I believe that in this particular story Robin appeared only in the recording
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Post by shaxper on Jun 14, 2021 8:57:12 GMT -5
Detective Comics #510 (January 1982) "Bride of Destruction" Script: Cary Burkett Pencils: José Delbo Inks: Joe Giella Colors: Tom Ziuko Letters: John Costanza Grade: D- At this point, Burkett's scripts are so formulaic, predictable, and repetitive, it almost feels like a computer is churning them out. Batgirl doubts herself: is placed in a situation where (gasp!) she has to save the day: and her perfect memory (more than just photographic, it would seem) saves the day for her: It's...obnoxious. Early on, Burkett was writing meaningful stories of redemption in which Batgirl's self-doubt was earned and understandable, and in which her redemption was both powerful and (seemingly) conclusive. If you're just joining this thread now, I HIGHLY recommend checking out 'Tec #491, #492, and #493 to see how all this works when Burkett is actually trying. But, here, it's trite and obnoxious. Why care about a hero who clearly has no business being in the cape and cowl beyond over-using her memory as a super-power? And it's so hard to like her. She talks down to herself constantly, and even makes a crack about her weight in this story! I mean, has Burkett seen Batgirl? I can only assume Burkett does all of this in an effort to make us cheer on Batgirl, but there is truly nothing likeable about the character as he writes her. She's a dopy sad-sack in gray, and yet hardly as endearing as Eeyore. Minor Details:- Throughout these reviews, we've seldom seen Batgirl make use of her utility belt. Yet, much as with her superior memory, Burkett is desperately relying on things other than Batgirl's character to save the day, so he plays up items in the utility belt twice in this story: Batgirl has no access to the Wayne arsenal nor fortune, and doesn't even know Batman's identity anymore. She is living independently on salary earned at a non-profit policy group. How is she affording and manufacturing explosive pellets and fire-suppressing foam pellets on her own? - Out of context fun: This needs to be a t-shirt. If you're tired of hearing me say that Burkett is way past his prime by this point, I'm tired of reading it too. I still strongly recommend his early work on this run (he is probably my favorite Batgirl author of all time there), but he hasn't turned in a decent story since 'Tec #502 a full eight months ago.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 14, 2021 12:30:31 GMT -5
(Batgirl in Hostess Ad #83) This ad appeared in Adventure Comics #485 (September 1981) All-Star Squadron #1 (September 1981) Wonder Woman #283 (September 1981) JLA #195 (October 1981) Flash # 306 (February 1982) JLA #199 (February 1982)* We're at a point where the Batgirl property appears to be on dangerous ground. A concerted effort was made by Paul Levitz to repeatedly de-power Batgirl last year (even testing the waters as to whether fans would care if she quit or was killed off), and though fan response was strong, we still see her backup feature repeatedly getting bumped from the pages of Detective Comics under new editor Dick Giordano, and we know her feature will be cancelled in less than a year's time under Len Wein. And yet, Hostess and/or Warner's marketing department seemed to feel that Batgirl was a popular, viable property, utilizing her in an advertisement that ran in six books across six months. So whatever was driving (first) Levitz, (now) Giordano, and (ultimately) Wein to marginalize the character and feature, the folks counting the money still seemed to see Batgirl as a safe bet. The Ad:Important Details:- Some have tried to call this the proto first appearance of Magpie, a Batman villain who will later appear in Man of Steel #3 and Batman #401, but that is not the name of the (unnamed) villains in this story. They only call themselves "Magpies" because they are posing as a dancing group known as the Magpies while committing this crime. *(Thanks to chaykinstevens for help with these)
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Post by chaykinstevens on Jun 14, 2021 13:38:57 GMT -5
According to GCD the ad also appeared in All-Star Squadron #1 (September 1981), JLA #195 (October 1981) and #199 (February 1982).
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Post by shaxper on Jun 14, 2021 13:55:41 GMT -5
Batman #344 (February 1982) "Monster, My Sweet!" Script: Gerry Conway Pencils: Gene Colan Inks: Klaus Janson Colors: Adrienne Roy Letters: Ben Oda Robin's return to the core Batman feature is given an impressive amount of dignity: especially when he jumps into the fray at the last moment and earns this reaction from Batman: Conway and Colan really want you to know that Robin isn't just a sidekick anymore; he's an important part of this team. What's less clear is why Batman looks so thrilled to have him back. Despite how Wolfman played it in the pages of New Teen Titans, they didn't part on bad terms in this title, and as Robin hasn't been Batman's permanent sidekick since 1969, but has regularly made guest appearances in that time, one has to wonder why Bruce would assume this was anything other than yet another infrequent assist while Robin happened to be passing through. Are we to believe Bruce is just always that happy to see Dick? Maybe I should have phrased that differently. Anyway, Dick goes on to explain why he's back, though really absolutely none of this was explored nor earned in any of Robin's solo adventures: A logical and easy way of explaining Robin's return might have been for Dick to have been worried about this: but we never see Dick being particularly concerned with (nor even aware of) this threat until it is resolved at the end of the story. I'm not going to explore or review this story in any depth, as my only interest (for the purpose of this thread) is exploring how Robin is being used in this feature, but I did write a review of this issue a long, long time ago as part of The Complete Batman: 1979-2011. Important Details:- Let's not forget that Robin has now been leading the New Teen Titans for sixteen months now and residing in Titans Tower for most of that time, but here he is, about to move back into Wayne Manor and fight crime by Batman's side full-time. I'll be curious to see if/when these alternate realities for Dick Grayson get resolved.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 14, 2021 13:56:31 GMT -5
According to GCD the ad also appeared in All-Star Squadron #1 (September 1981), JLA #195 (October 1981) and #199 (February 1982). Ah, thanks for this. That certainly changes things a bit.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Jun 14, 2021 14:52:37 GMT -5
Batman #344 (February 1981) The cover date was February 1982.
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Post by zaku on Jun 14, 2021 15:10:40 GMT -5
(Batgirl in Hostess Ad #83) This ad appeared in Adventure Comics #485 (September 1981) All-Star Squadron #1 (September 1981) Wonder Woman #283 (September 1981) JLA #195 (October 1981) Flash # 306 (February 1982) JLA #199 (February 1982)* We're at a point where the Batgirl property appears to be on dangerous ground. A concerted effort was made by Paul Levitz to repeatedly de-power Batgirl last year (even testing the waters as to whether fans would care if she quit or was killed off), and though fan response was strong, we still see her backup feature repeatedly getting bumped from the pages of Detective Comics under new editor Dick Giordano, and we know her feature will be cancelled in less than a year's time under Len Wein. And yet, Hostess and/or Warner's marketing department seemed to feel that Batgirl was a popular, viable property, utilizing her in an advertisement that ran in six books across six months. So whatever was driving (first) Levitz, (now) Giordano, and (ultimately) Wein to marginalize the character and feature, the folks counting the money still seemed to see Batgirl as a safe bet. The Ad:Important Details:- Some have tried to call this the proto first appearance of Magpie, a Batman villain who will later appear in Man of Steel #3 and Batman #401, but that is not the name of the (unnamed) villains in this story. They only call themselves "Magpies" because they are posing as a dancing group known as the Magpies while committing this crime. *(Thanks to chaykinstevens for help with these) At this point I wonder why they didn't kill her instead of Supergirl during Crisis. Or both. At least the Maiden of Steel had a comics dedicated to her.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 14, 2021 17:37:10 GMT -5
At this point I wonder why they didn't kill her instead of Supergirl during Crisis. Or both. At least the Maiden of Steel had a comics dedicated to her. I think we'll be asking that question even more when the Batgirl Special gets released shortly thereafter, seemingly with the intent of burying the character/franchise in her very first self-titled book.
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Post by MWGallaher on Jun 15, 2021 6:55:42 GMT -5
The Ad: Also worth noting: the unknown writer (working with Curt Swan, penciller, Vince Colletta, inker, and Ben Oda, letterer) has slipped in the almost certainly-intentional line "Let's make this a million-dollar debut", referencing Batgirl's first appearance.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 15, 2021 7:01:09 GMT -5
]Also worth noting: the unknown writer (working with Curt Swan, penciller, Vince Colletta, inker, and Ben Oda, letterer) has slipped in the almost certainly-intentional line "Let's make this a million-dollar debut", referencing Batgirl's first appearance. Very nice catch!
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Post by shaxper on Jun 16, 2021 13:04:45 GMT -5
Detective Comics #511 (February 1982) "The 'I' of the Beholder" Script: Gerry Conway Pencils: Don Newton Inks: Frank Chiaramonte Colors: Adrienne Roy Letters: John Costanza Grade: n/a (only looking at Robin's treatment in this story) Batgirl is bumped once again this month so that Batman can get 27 pages. You might assume this is to make more room for Robin now that they are a team again, but no. Regardless of what Batman #344 may have appeared to promise, there is no new dynamic in the old Batman and Robin duo; no sense that the two are now closer to equals. Dick is portrayed as a wide-eyed idiot who makes Batman look more brilliant in contrast: and also gives Batman a reason to talk (Bill Finger's original reason for wanting to give Batman a sidekick): Dick does get to fight the bad guy all on his own for a few panels: but (of course) he loses. And, to add insult to injury, Batman leaves Dick out of the climactic battle entirely: getting the final win all on his own. The only actual characterization/dignity offered to Dick in these pages comes off as outright tragic in hindsight. Here, we see Dick attempting to piece his life together again, enrolling at Gotham University: and anyone who's read these issues knows this little turn of events is going to end up leading Dick down one of the darkest paths he'd yet taken. Additionally, by the time this little nightmare subsides, Conway will already be laying tracks for Dick to get replaced by a younger Boy Wonder. I'm really not sure what Dick is doing in these pages at this point, and Conway and Newton don't seem to know either. Clearly, Giordano is trying to reset the franchise as if Robin never moved away in the first place, as Bruce has now given up his control of Wayne Enterprises and is ready to move back into Wayne Manor next issue like it's 1969 all over again: but anyone who had any investment in the Robin solo stories (forgettably as they mostly were) is going to have a hard time accepting Dick playing second fiddle to Bruce again, and anyone reading New Teen Titans right now (which is pretty much everyone) is really going to be confused by how these two versions of Robin are not attempting to reconcile at all.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 16, 2021 13:15:35 GMT -5
This is where I came in!
I started buying Batman regularly (well, fairly regularly) as of #345 and Detective as of #512.
The bi-weekly continuity was refreshing and different at the time.
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