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Post by zaku on Jun 17, 2021 3:46:28 GMT -5
but anyone who had any investment in the Robin solo stories (forgettably as they mostly were) is going to have a hard time accepting Dick playing second fiddle to Bruce again, and anyone reading New Teen Titans right now (which is pretty much everyone) is really going to be confused by how these two versions of Robin are not attempting to reconcile at all. Anyone have any idea what the reactions were at the time, from, I don't know, letters or fanzines?
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Post by shaxper on Jun 17, 2021 6:44:24 GMT -5
but anyone who had any investment in the Robin solo stories (forgettably as they mostly were) is going to have a hard time accepting Dick playing second fiddle to Bruce again, and anyone reading New Teen Titans right now (which is pretty much everyone) is really going to be confused by how these two versions of Robin are not attempting to reconcile at all. Anyone have any idea what the reactions were at the time, from, I don't know, letters or fanzines? Sure do! Letter column from Batman #349 has two fans praising the move: "Just a note to let you know how much I enjoyed the wrap-up in BATMAN 344 and the new directions you are exploring. I'm especially pleased by the changes in Dick Grayson. I like the idea of his returning to Gotham since I am very fond of Batman/Robin team-ups." She also recently had the following letter printed in the 'Tec letters page articulating her disappointment with Robin's direction previously: and letter #2 says... "It was the best! I really enjoyed BATMAN 344. I am finally glad that Batman, as well as Robin, is getting his act together...Having Robin back is good, I hope. I did not like all the bitterness between him and the Batman. Maybe it is time for Robin to get a new costume?...Also I think that Batman could use a few guest stars every now and then. Maybe some of the Teen Titans, or the Black orchid, or even The Bat Squad?" Over in 'Tec, we see a few critical letters, but not about Robin. The reactions are: "I am very very glad to see Robin back in action with Batman. Keep him there!" "...and now Robin is back. Great. He needed a new base of operations after his wanderings in the circus and on the road." Checking the New Teen Titans letters pages for ten months after Dick rejoined the Batman/Robin duo, there are many, many critical letters, but none discussing Robin's role in the Batman titles at all. Then again, New Teen Titans sales must have been doing laps around those of Batman and 'Tec at this point, so I wonder if many Titans fans were even following those books. At least in terms of what was published in the Batman and 'Tec letter pages, fans seem in support of this move but also not overly excited about it, as the topic is hardly dominating any of the published letters. There also seems to be little awareness/concern for Robin's solo stories. Two fans didn't like the idea of him dropping out of college but were perfectly happy to see him back by Batman's side. No mention at all of the New Teen Titans in these letters, but I've argued previously that there seems to be a deliberate editorial edict blocking any reference to that book in the Bat titles. And, in the New Teen Titans letter pages, no one is all that concerned with what's happening in the Batman titles.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 17, 2021 8:28:21 GMT -5
Batman #345 (March 1982) "Calling Doctor Death!" Script: Gerry Conway Pencils: Gene Colan Inks: Klaus Janson Colors: Adrienne Roy Letters: Ben Oda Grade: n/a (only looking at Robin's depiction in this story) Editor Dick Giordano has the Bat Office where he wants it now. Robin is back with Batman, astounding artists Gene Colan and Don Newton are now aboard on these titles, and (as of this issue) Batman and Detective Comics begin crossing over, providing an ongoing bi-weekly Batman saga. It's truly an exceptional era for Batman comics but, tempted as I am to discuss that further, the focus here is on Robin. If you'd like my thoughts on this issue in general, I reviewed it a very long time ago for The Complete Batman: 1979-2011, though I enjoyed it less at the time than I do now in hindsight. Anyway, it's fascinating that Gerry Conway is writing both Batman and Detective Comics at this point, and yet his treatment of Robin in the two titles is very different. in Detective Comics #511 last month, Robin was the bright-eyed, somewhat incompetent sidekick who even got sidelined for the climactic battle. But Batman #344 set Dick up to be an equal partner to Batman, and this issue works hard to reinforce that idea: Whereas, in Detective #511, Dick was wholly ignorant of things occurring beneath the surface and needed Batman to explain them to him, he's the first to notice the threat here and takes the lead without asking Batman's permission: Batman even goes on to describe a source they'll use as being "our informer" and not "my informer" this time around. In fact, the true inner conflict in this issue is Dick's, tirelessly fighting against his own inevitable death by poison while trying to keep a stiff upper lip so that Bruce doesn't worry: In the climactic battle, they fight as equals, even while Robin is sick out of his mind, and Colan gives us far more panels of Dick fighting, struggling against his own weakness. That the two are both defeated by the end (just in time for a cliffhanger) is never presented as being Robin's fault, either. They were just overpowered despite a valiant effort. Heck, just compare Newton's wide-eyed depiction of Dick in last month's issue of Detective with Colan's "cool" depiction here. Newton: Colan: This Robin is older, more mature, and more independent. I wonder if Conway scripted Detective #511 prior to Batman #344 for some reason, and changed his mind about how to depict Robin (or got an edict from Giordano) between scripting the two stories. And while we're looking at Dick and new romantic interest Dala, let's consider how all of this does and does not align with what is happening in the pages of New Teen Titans right now. Wolfman has held off on lending any real characterization nor introspection to Dick in the pages of New Teen Titans since he unexpectedly departed (or was booted from) the Bat titles immediately after The Lazarus Affair. Back then, Wolfman was carefully sewing discord between Batman and Robin that would justify Dick forging a new life away from Gotham with the Titans, but that clearly got blocked, the Lazarus Affair's epilogue forcing a reconciliation between the two that was abrupt and unearned, and Wolfman literally never characterizing Robin nor discussing his relationship with Batman since (when he had given SO much attention to it in the first few issues of New Teen Titans). As a result, beyond the fact that Dick is implied to be living in Titans Tower in one title and at the Wayne penthouse in another, there is no blatant conflict between the two titles. Theoretically, Dick may have stopped living at Titans Tower when he started travelling with Hill's Circus a few months back, and he could be commuting to New York to fight with the Titans by day, and then coming back to Gotham to fight with Batman by night. He has no job and hasn't resumed college yet, after all. it's a stretch (or, rather, a series of stretches), but it's possible. Furthermore, he is free to be dating Dala right now because this exchange just happened between him and Starfire in New Teen Titans #16 last month: On a more unintentional level though, how weird that Dick is going back to college at Gotham U at the same time that Raven had decided to begin attending Manhattan College. Were New Teen Titans and the Batman titles more aligned, you'd expect Dick to attend alongside her or to at least discuss their shared journey. Weirder still, Raven is the mysterious, foreign woman on campus in the pages of New Teen Titans: while Dala is the mysterious, foreign woman on campus in the pages of Batman and 'Tec: And, much as Raven was recently using her powers to manipulate Wally West's feelings for her in the pages of NTT, we're about to have some serious questions about this: I doubt any of these similarities was intended, but Conway had an insane workload at this point and had to have been thinking/writing as quickly as possible. It sure seems like, whether or not he was going to acknowledge the book in his Batman and 'Tec stories, Conway was very aware of what was happening in the pages of NTT and was unintentionally influenced by it. Dala truly seems like a more foreboding version of Raven.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 18, 2021 8:56:59 GMT -5
Detective Comics #512 (March 1982) The cover may boast, "45th Anniversary Special," but there's nothing particularly special about the contents of this issue beyond it containing both Robin and Batgirl for the first time in a while. Batman: "The Fatal Prescription of Doctor Death!" Script: Gerry Conway Pencils: Gene Colan Inks: Klaus Janson Colors: Adrienne Roy Letters: John Costanza Grade: n/a (only looking at Robin's depiction in this story) Once again, there is an inexplicable disparity between how Robin is treated in Batman versus Detective Comics, even while both are being scripted by Gerry Conway. In Batman #344, Robin practically got a hero's welcome home and was treated as a near-equal to Batman. In 'Tec #511, he was a wide-eyed idiot sidekick blundering and leaving Batman to do the real crime-fighting. In Batman #345, he took the lead and valiantly fought through the poison that was quickly killing him to be an equal to Batman in every way. And now, in the conclusion to that story, Robin had passed out between issues and is a helpless lump that must be rescued by Batman for literally the entire story: No acknowledgement of his strength, heroics, nor even his being the first to recognize the threat to the city last issue. Of course, Dick does wake up for the epilogue so that we can clearly see Batman saved him, and so that Dick can laugh at Batman's joke: In Batman, it's 1982 with a grown Dick Grayson looking to prove himself equal to his mentor. In Detective, it might as well be 1969 again with the useless kid sidekick. Was Gerry consciously being asked to write to different demographics with these two titles or something? How else do you explain this wild and seemingly deliberate disparity in how Robin is depicted across these two titles? Batgirl: "Riders in the Night!" Script: Cary Burkett Pencils: José Delbo Inks: Joe Giella Colors: Tom Ziuko Letters: John Costanza Grade: C+ It's nice to see Batgirl being slightly less of a disaster this time around. While she absolutely (and unnecessarily) blunders her first move in this story: Burkett counters it by giving Babs this impressive moment shortly after: It truly seems like editor Dick Giordano is standing over Burkett's shoulder, making sure that he never makes Batgirl look good enough to rival Batman. Anything awesome she does must be offset with a moment of sheer incompetence. This would also explain why Babs constantly has to insist in these stories that she is not considering a run for senate re-election (because that would make her more formidable than Bruce Wayne), as well as why we haven't seen her boyfriend in almost a year (because that would make her more successful at love than Bruce Wayne). It does seem like Burkett is starting to care about these stories again. His tried, true, and perhaps overused method of mentally/emotionally knocking Batgirl down so that she can get up even stronger seems to be back with this part one story, which begins with Batgirl feeling more secure/safe than she has in a while now: and ends with a supreme violation that rips that sense of safety away completely: ...and how 'bout that dude's menacing thigh-gap(?)That being said, I'm annoyed by Burkett's depiction here. All along, he's been so busy showing Babs fighting to regain her confidence that he's spent no real time on discussing who she is and what she believes when all is right in her world. We finally get a glimpse of that here, and it's...shallow: This is not the Babs Gordon who once championed comprehensive prison reform. Heck, someone this vapid and naive, who wastes time arguing for vague ideals but no actual action, would have no business in the senate chamber. Thus, when her longtime antagonist criticizes her speech after, I'm actually inclined to agree. This is better than Burkett's Batgirl has been in almost a year, but I'm still struggling to root for this version of Babs Gordon. Minor Detail:- Okay, so the gang Babs decried is able to find her address, storm in past the doorman, and trash the place. I get that. Where I get lost is how they left, hung around, and waited for Babs to come home before barging in a second time. At no point did the doorman think to call the police??
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Post by zaku on Jun 18, 2021 11:52:45 GMT -5
In Batman, it's 1982 with a grown Dick Grayson looking to prove himself equal to his mentor. In Detective, it might as well be 1969 again with the useless kid sidekick. Was Gerry consciously being asked to write to different demographics with these two titles or something? How else do you explain this wild and seemingly deliberate disparity in how Robin is depicted across these two titles? I try to formulate a theory. What I gather from your reviews is that Robin (and his dynamic with Batman) is depicted similar how at the time non-comics book readers probably imagined: the somewhat naive and immature kid and the wise mentor. And, from what I remember, not dissimilar from the depiction in the various cartoons at the time (SuperFriends, The New Adventures of Batman). So, perhaps they tried to appeal to the casual readers? And from this perspective you can explain why they tried to establish an old-new status quo in the comics very similar to the cartoon and the old tv show (Batman and Robin living together in the Wayne Manor). So, Batman for longtime readers, Detective for the new/casual ones. If I remember correctly, even other characters who had various comics magazines tried this approach (But I'm not quite sure how a hypothetical casual comic reader would have known which comic was right for him/her...) Edit: we could say that the Superman magazines had a similar approach: in the last two-three years before the reboot, Action Comics published stories accessible to the casual reader (not multi part-stories, not references to the Superman's current continuity) and in Superman they continued the adventures of the regular in-continuity character.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 18, 2021 12:41:00 GMT -5
Detective 512 was not the first issue of Detective I ever bought, but it was the first issue I got when I started getting it regularly. The Gene Colan art was a major attraction!
This WAS my introduction to a Batgirl solo series. It, um, didn’t make me a fan. I love this 1980s run on Batman and Detective, and I used to read these issues regularly. The Batgirl series gets a little better before it gets replaced by Green Arrow. I especially like the Velvet Tiger arc. But I was NOT in the habit of re-reading the Batgirl back-ups.
This one in particular (512) I remember reading about 2010 or 2012 when I decided to read the back-ups this time through the run. I’d had the comic for 30 years at that point, and I had no memory of this story arc at all.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 18, 2021 14:15:03 GMT -5
In Batman, it's 1982 with a grown Dick Grayson looking to prove himself equal to his mentor. In Detective, it might as well be 1969 again with the useless kid sidekick. Was Gerry consciously being asked to write to different demographics with these two titles or something? How else do you explain this wild and seemingly deliberate disparity in how Robin is depicted across these two titles? I try to formulate a theory. What I gather from your reviews is that Robin (and his dynamic with Batman) is depicted similar how at the time non-comics book readers probably imagined: the somewhat naive and immature kid and the wise mentor. And, from what I remember, not dissimilar from the depiction in the various cartoons at the time (SuperFriends, The New Adventures of Batman). So, perhaps they tried to appeal to the casual readers? And from this perspective you can explain why they tried to establish an old-new status quo in the comics very similar to the cartoon and the old tv show (Batman and Robin living together in the Wayne Manor). So, Batman for longtime readers, Detective for the new/casual ones. If I remember correctly, even other characters who had various comics magazines tried this approach (But I'm not quite sure how a hypothetical casual comic reader would have known which comic was right for him/her...) Edit: we could say that the Superman magazines had a similar approach: in the last two-three years before the reboot, Action Comics published stories accessible to the casual reader (not multi part-stories, not references to the Superman's current continuity) and in Superman they continued the adventures of the regular in-continuity character. It's just so odd to have two titles crossing over with each other and written by the same guy with such blatantly different depictions of the same character. Clearly, the purpose of having the titles cross over was to make readers buy both titles, so Conway had to assume readers would see both depictions of Robin. My guess is Conway (and perhaps Giordano) were testing the waters to see which treatment of Robin the fans liked better. I definitely agree that there is a push here for Batman and Robin to return to more familiar ground, so I guess the question is whether they go back to 1969 familiar ground or move that familiar relationship forward.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 20, 2021 23:41:33 GMT -5
Batman #346 (April 1982) "Half A Hero" Script: Gerry Conway Pencils: Don Newton Inks: Frank Chiaramonte Colors: Adrienne Roy Letters: Ben Oda Grade: n/a (only looking at Robin and Batgirl's depictions in this story) If the last two months of Batman and Detective Comics were an experiment in gauging whether fans wanted a more immature and dependent Robin or a partner who could hold his own in tandem with Batman, this issue takes an abrupt departure from both variables and tries something entirely different, depicting Batman as still primarily a solo act. Batman shows up at the scene on his own, fights both battles in this issue by himself, gives no thought to the serious injuries Robin sustained last issue nor the recovery that must have ensued, and even lets Commissioner Gordon ride shotgun in the Batmobile as if no one else has ever occupied that seat: Meanwhile, Dick appears for exactly one brief scene, entirely apart from Batman at Gotham University (apparently his classes have now started), pursuing his own story arc that is completely separate from anything that concerns Batman: It feels like the Hudson University solo stories all over again, only given even less space, and since it's happening in the pages of the A story, Batman will inevitably be the one to swoop in and save the day when this storyline finally hits its climax. In a sense, this is even more insulting to Dick Grayson's growth and development over the course of the past decade and a half than resetting the character as if it's 1969 again and he's still an over-eager appendage to Batman. But I truly do believe this is a concerted effort to gauge fan reactions: Do readers want to see Dick as Batman's helpless sidekick, as a mature and equal partner, or as someone relatively separate from Batman (but still far from his equal) who will still cross paths with him on occasion? Odder yet is the addition of Babs Gordon for three panels of this story, during which no mention is ever made of her being Batgirl or of her having adventures (or even a life) of her own. She is simply an appendage to James Gordon, there to take care of and worry about him: Another testing of the waters, perhaps: Do fans prefer seeing Babs on her own as Batgirl or as supporting cast? However you look at it, this is a step in the wrong direction for both Robin and Batgirl, now playing second fiddle to Batman in his title while Catwoman takes over the backup feature spot that used to be Robin's as of this issue. Important Details:- Robin has begun classes at Gotham University and does not appear to regularly serve by Batman's side anymore as a result. - Catwoman backup feature begins - cameo appearance by Babs Gordon with no reference made to her being Batgirl or to any aspect of her life in the Detective Comics backup feature.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 21, 2021 10:41:01 GMT -5
Detective Comics #513 (April 1982) "...Is Better Than None" Script: Gerry Conway Pencils: Don Newton Inks: Frank Chiaramonte Colors: Adrienne Roy Letters: Ben Oda Grade: N/a (only looking at Robin and Batgirl's depictions in this story) Let's see now. For three months after Robin's solo feature ended, we had a naive teen sidekick in the pages of Detective Comics and a mature equal partner in the pages of Batman. Now, this month, we have an entirely solo Robin caught up in his own events at Gotham University in the pages of 'Tec, and yet another variation of Robin here in the pages of Batman. As the cover suggests, Robin plays a prominent role in this issue. In fact, much of the story is focused on his quest to find out what has happened to Batman (who has been captured by Two Face). But whereas this title previously took great pains to have Robin refer to him and Batman as "equals" and even had Dick take the lead in the previous adventure, determining the threat before Batman, leading the investigation, and kicking butt in the climactic battle even while stoically battling fast-acting poison, this Robin is clearly not on that level. He's independent and capable, but hardly Batman's equal: It's luck more than good detective work that finally gets him to Two-Face, and while he does kick butt in the battle that ensues, it's ultimately Batman who frees himself, Robin having contributed to this rescue in no way whatsoever. But at least he gets to drive The Batmobile for the first time ever: whereas he wasn't even along for the ride in the most recent issue of 'Tec: Again, it seems that Conway is deliberately offering very different depictions of Dick and his relationship with Bruce in a concerted effort to gauge which version fans respond to most favorably. of course, in the end, he'll just replace Dick as Robin anyway, and that decision has to be less than a year away since Jason Todd will be introduced in only eleven more months. Important Details:- Yet another new approach to characterizing Robin, in which he is independent and capable, but nowhere near Batman-level. - Bruce makes the decision to return to Wayne Manor full time: If there was any previous doubt that the reason for bringing Robin back into the Batman feature was to return to more familiar, pre-1970 ground, here's the final proof. It's classic Batman and Robin all over again, and the only question that remains is how that Robin will be characterized. Minor Details:- For the second issue in a row, Babs Gordon makes a cameo appearance strictly as supporting cast for Commissioner Gordon: Zero acknowledgement of her life outside of this feature nor even of the fact that she is Batgirl. It was odd enough when this happened in the pages of Detective Comics this month, but a little stranger still when she has a backup feature in this very book. Batgirl: "Duel with Demons!" Script: Cary Burkett Pencils: José Delbo Inks: Joe Giella Colors: Tom Ziuko Letters: Adam Kubert Grade: C- The letter column for this issue prints two letters in praise of Batgirl, one even asking to see her more often in the DC Universe, and yet offers no direct reply: Instead, the column later ominously promises/warns that big changes are in store for Batgirl. Whether they meant that Burkett is cooking up a 4-part story starting next issue (his longest Batgirl tale yet), that Barbara Kesel will be replacing him as writer immediately after that, or that the Batgirl feature will be cancelled entirely two issues later, big changes most certainly are in store. Whether the intention at the time was to embolden Burkett to take more risks with his stories (a massive four-parter beginning next issue) or to warn him that his time here was up immediately after that, Burkett clearly throws himself into this story more than he has for a long while now. We've got sweeping narration opening the story that we've never seen from him before, waxing prosaic (and failing) in the epic style of a Claremont, Moench, or McGregor: as well as Batgirl continuing to place tremendous emphasis on symbolism. The once pragmatic crimefighter who recognized that her symbolic victories meant nothing compared to strong legislation now obsesses over the symbolism of taking down the Demons in front of as many onlookers as possible so that they can see good triumph over evil, and (odder yet) draws the following conclusion from the fact that a random bystander rescued her during a critical moment in which she could have been killed: I know this all feels like heavy stuff to Burkett, but to me it feels like this is what you'd get if they started producing superhero shows for the Hallmark Channel. Anyway, once again we have this odd phenomenon where Babs is back to kicking butt and taking names: only to utterly f**k up a page later like a total rookie, completely counterbalancing her accomplishments: Burkett may be writing with more of his heart now, but there still seems to be some kind of edict in place where Batgirl is never allowed to come off looking as capable as Batman. Every accomplishment must be counterbalanced with a totally inexplicable rookie error. You might think I'd be excited to see Burkett trying on this feature again, but it only makes me realize more clearly that the character he is writing is not the daring, resourceful, indefatigable "Dominoed Daredoll" we'd been rooting for since 1967. The Post-Crisis Batgirl special will attempt to attribute this change to Batgirl's near death at the hands of Cormorant way back at the start of Burkett's run in Detective Comics #491 and the trauma that followed, but Burkett had Batgirl triumphantly work through that trauma (again and again) and prove victorious, and these more recent blunders seem to have nothing to do with anxiety or self-doubt at all. Really, Cary Burkett crippled Batgirl nearly a full decade before Alan Moore, Len Wein, and The Joker did. Blame can also be attributed to editors Paul Levitz and Dick Giordano, who clearly wanted Babs Gordon taken down several pegs, but here, writing the character with a new sense of passion, Burkett still can't help but make the Darknight Damsel utterly trip over herself at least once per issue, making it truly hard to respect or care for the hero at all. Batgirl has been dead for a long while now, systematically dismantled first by senselessly killing off her mentor, Kathy Kane, in Tec #485 without even giving the killer a motive, then by having her lose her reelection to congress (off-panel, nonetheless!) just prior to Tec #488, then by wiping her mind of Batman and Robin's identities (while they continued to know hers) in 'Tec #489, then by nearly killing her and turning her into a traumatized victim in 'Tec #491-502 (honesty, these were generally damn good stories, though), and then ditching any sense of past trauma and just generally painting her as an incompetent rookie in every depiction since. I don't think I'll be missing this feature once it's finally cancelled.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 21, 2021 11:53:01 GMT -5
Batgirl is replaced by Green Arrow. And it’s even worse than Batgirl!
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Post by shaxper on Jun 21, 2021 14:40:36 GMT -5
Batgirl is replaced by Green Arrow. And it’s even worse than Batgirl! Yes. Joey Cavalieri. One of my least favorite writers in all of comicdom.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 21, 2021 18:40:29 GMT -5
Brave and the Bold #185 (April 1982) Batman and Green Arrow: "The Falcon's Lair!" Script: Don Krarr Pencils: Adrian Gonzales Inks: Mike DeCarlo Colors: Adrienne Roy Letters: John Costanza Grade: n/a (only looking at Robin's depiction in this story) Maybe Conway wasn't the only one testing the waters in terms of what fans wanted from the Batman and Robin relationship at this point. This issue, hitting stands three months after Robin became Batman's partner again and at the same time that the two were moving back into Wayne Manor together, seems to blatantly promise that the dynamic duo has moved into these pages as well, where Batman has been partnering up with every hero BUT Robin for well over a decade now. seems to, anyway. In fact, the story opens with Batman fighting crime as a solo act, never once mentioning Robin until he randomly appears late in the story: ...except that both our eyes and the GCD are wrong. Robin never once appears in this story. and Batman makes no mention of him beyond what you see here, either. No, "I was wondering why Robin wasn't at school," or, "I'm so relieved Robin is okay," or anything. Batman simply moves on, completely unconcerned with the true Robin's status and whereabouts. Seems to me like Don Krarr wasn't ready to write Robin into this book just yet, but Dick Giordano (editing this book in addition to Batman and Detective Comics) wanted to see how fans would react to the fake-out and whether or not they'd subsequently push for the real Robin to actually appear in this title. Or maybe the timing is totally coincidental. But, if neither Krarr nor Batman seem even remotely concerned with Robin, and if no one above Krarr was pushing for this, then what was Robin doing as the focal point of the cover (which Giordano inked, himself)?
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 21, 2021 18:55:37 GMT -5
I bought Brave and the Bold a lot of the time in the late 1970s and early 1980s, and I certainly have this one.
It’s been a while since I read it though and I don’t remember the story at all. The issues I remember from this time period are team-ups with The Metal Men, Rose and Thorn, Adam Strange ... and the return of Double X in a team-up with the Flash! (With some awful Infantino art!)
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 21, 2021 19:10:26 GMT -5
I wasn’t much of a Robin fan back then. But I didn’t dislike him enough to turn down a Batman comic just because Robin was in it.
I was not reading Teen Titans at this point. I picked it up for a time from about #20 to maybe #35. I read it for the Perez art and for Raven and Starfire. But I quit because Terry Long and Changeling and Terra all got on my nerves. That’s too many!
I think I picked up Detective because of Gene Colan and then I had to get Batman because of the continuity, and Don Newton grew on me. Plus there was Dr Death and Two-Face and VAMPIRES and then the Squid and Killer Croc and so on and so on.
It had nothing to with Robin’s characterization or whatever the heck Batgirl was doing or whether or not Green Arrow merely sucked this month or SUCKED HARD!
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Post by shaxper on Jun 22, 2021 7:43:01 GMT -5
Side Note: Robin's other Appearances in 1982Between January and October of 1982, the New Teen Titans make their first three appearances in other characters' books. While the Titans were quickly becoming one of DC's top sellers, there was an editorial rift between that office and Dick Giordano's Batman Office, in which Robin's involvement with the Titans was never acknowledged and was often outright contradicted in the pages of all of Giordano's books. Thus, while Dick Giordano wants everyone to know that Robin is back working alongside Batman and allows no references to the Titans to be made in his pages, The Titans' appearances in Wonder Woman #287 (January), Action Comics #532 (June), and Action Comics #536 (October), all written by New Teen Titans creator and writer Marv Wolfman (of course) and edited by Len Wein and Julie Schwartz, prove that The New Teen Titans book is not existing within its own separate reality; somehow, Robin is still leading the New Teen Titans within the larger DC Universe while also attending college and being Batman's partner again. Robin will then go on to appear alongside Batman in World's Finest Comics #286 in December, which will make for an interesting review in and of itself because it partners Robin with Batman AND is edited by Marv Wolfman.
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