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Post by rberman on Nov 29, 2018 15:37:38 GMT -5
Just in case anybody wants to participate, CBR is taking submissions of lists of your top ten comic book writers and top ten comic book artists, to compile a "top 100" list. www.cbr.com/vote-top-100-comic-book-writers-artistsI submitted my list. That was difficult! I kept putting people on the list of ten, and then see them disappear of the bottom of the list as I added people above them. The deadline is noon on Nov 30 by the way. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 17:33:00 GMT -5
Sounds good to me, although not sure how I can whittle it down to ten!
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 2, 2018 21:27:20 GMT -5
I'm always vaguely annoyed by the mainstream bias in these lists - Most of my absolute # 1 favorite creators both write and draw their own material.
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Post by mrbrklyn on Dec 2, 2018 22:02:41 GMT -5
Sounds good to me, although not sure how I can whittle it down to ten! my list is better  |
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Post by brutalis on Dec 3, 2018 13:49:44 GMT -5
Sounds good to me, although not sure how I can whittle it down to ten! my list is better Personally I think anybody's list is better than these publicity driven listings which usually translate only to who/what is considered as "hot" at the moment. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 3, 2018 13:56:03 GMT -5
I feel I should've gone there just to vote for George Carlson (Jingle Jangle Comics) for Harlan Ellison.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 14:05:25 GMT -5
my list is better Personally I think anybody's list is better than these publicity driven listings which usually translate only to who/what is considered as "hot" at the moment. Indeed. This is an issue I have had with, say, Top 10 lists devoted to modern Doctor Who. It would be more accurate to describe such lists as "Top 10 moments that we've recently watched on Doctor Who..." or something like that. Good lists are about historical context as much as anything. I mean, I included Mike W. Barr in my vote for that CBR list. And John Byrne on the artist poll. It shouldn't be about who is hot at the moment. |
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Post by rberman on Dec 3, 2018 14:27:28 GMT -5
Personally I think anybody's list is better than these publicity driven listings which usually translate only to who/what is considered as "hot" at the moment. Indeed. This is an issue I have had with, say, Top 10 lists devoted to modern Doctor Who. It would be more accurate to describe such lists as "Top 10 moments that we've recently watched on Doctor Who..." or something like that. Good lists are about historical context as much as anything. I mean, I included Mike W. Barr in my vote for that CBR list. And John Byrne on the artist poll. It shouldn't be about who is hot at the moment. Yes, recall bias is a real thing; we are wired to think more frequently about recent events than those long past. That's why I hope we all submitted lists, to help balance the scales! I watched the Capaldi episode "Time Heist" last night and had trouble deciding whether it was one of the best of "new Who" or one of the best ever. Probably both. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 14:33:20 GMT -5
I hope we balanced the scales, too.
I remember noticing names when I was a kid. When I first did that, I would then pick up any books or individual issues written by people. For example, if I saw Denny O'Neill or Len Wein listed as a writer, that was a "mark of quality" for me. Hell, the book could have been called "The History Of Fire Hydrants" and I'd have still picked it up had those two been writing it.
Same with art. I like John Byrne's art. Even if I am not particularly interested in a concept, I'll follow something if i like the artist.
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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 3, 2018 19:02:48 GMT -5
I hope we balanced the scales, too. I remember noticing names when I was a kid. When I first did that, I would then pick up any books or individual issues written by people. For example, if I saw Denny O'Neill or Len Wein listed as a writer, that was a "mark of quality" for me. Hell, the book could have been called "The History Of Fire Hydrants" and I'd have still picked it up had those two been writing it. Same with art. I like John Byrne's art. Even if I am not particularly interested in a concept, I'll follow something if i like the artist. I like Don Newton's art a lot and noticed he did some Aquaman in the '70s, so mainly because of that I bought the run (and thanks to member pinkfloydsound17 too, they're as good or better than expected). Lists and numbers are all pretty meaningless to me, like say you rated only nine people as absolute greats, do you add a tenth just to make it 10? A lot of awards ballots are the same where people vote for someone in a category they aren't that familiar with just to vote for someone (so Hugo fan awards often just go to whomever's name is most familiar). |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 19:06:44 GMT -5
That's a good point about the Hugo awards, BeccaBear67.
In this poll, the challenge for me was deciding who to exclude. Really wanted to get Mike W. Barr in there, but that meant excluding another choice.
But with some polls/lists, it can be about making up the numbers. If someone asked me to name the Top Ten Modern Doctor Who episodes that I thought were the best, well I can only really think of 5-7. So I'd be adding 3 just to make up the numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 22:21:12 GMT -5
These were my votes for Brian's poll...
Writers
1. Jeff Smith
2. Will Einser
3. Darwyn Cooke
4. Jim Starlin
5. Ed Brubaker
6. Kurt Busiek
7. Jeff Lemire
8. Steve Englehart
9. Alejandro Jodorowsky
10. Jack Kirby
Artists
1. Moebius (Jean Giraud)
2. Frank Frazetta
3. Joe Kubert
4. Darwyn Cooke
5. Jim Steranko
6. Bernie Wrightson
7. Philippe Druillet
8. Mike Mignola
9. Jack Kirby
10. Jim Starlin
-M
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Post by Dizzy D on Dec 4, 2018 10:59:25 GMT -5
If I get around to it, I'll submit a list again, but I tend to forget these things so often. Maybe I can push Franquin to appear on the list.
Edit: Nevermind, way past deadline already.
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Post by dbutler69 on Dec 4, 2018 14:16:19 GMT -5
I submitted mine but yeah, it was tough. Especially the artists, for some reason.
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Post by rberman on Dec 4, 2018 14:42:57 GMT -5
CBR did a similar poll for "done in one" stories for comic books (not Graphic Novels) last month, and here were the results:
50. "Maybe Next Year" Peter Parker: Spider-Man #33 (2001)
49. "With Great Power Comes Great Coincidence" Deadpool #11 (1997)
48. "Ghosts" Batman: Ghosts Legends of the Dark Knight Halloween Special #1 (1995)
47. “Of Thee I Sing” Hitman #34 (1998)
46. “Another Cold Morning” Transmetropolitan #8 (1998)
45. “Wounded Wolf” Uncanny X-Men #205 (1986)
44. “Nobody Dies” Flash #54 (1991)
43. “Calliope” Sandman #17 (1990)
42. “Judgment Day” Weird Fantasy #18 (1952)
41. “24 Hours” Wolverine #10 (1989)
40. “Terror in a Tiny Town” Fantastic Four #236 (1981)
39. “Last Night” Marvel Fanfare #15 (1984) (Note: the actual title was "that night." It's a BWS story about The Thing.)
38. “The Amazing Screw-On Head” (2001)
37. “Who Is Donna Troy?” New Teen Titans #38 (1983)
36. Spider-Man versus Wolverine (1987)
35. “No Evil Shall Escape My Sight!” Green Lantern #76 (1970)
34. “In Dreams” Astro City #1 (1995)
33. “The Autobiography of Bruce Wayne” The Brave and the Bold #197 (1983)
32. “Flashing Back” Flash #0 (1994)
31. “Confessions” Ultimate Spider-Man #13 (2001)
30. “The Good, The Bad and the Uncanny” Silver Surfer #4 (1968)
29. “The Joker’s Five-Way Revenge” Batman #251 (1973)
28. “Master Race” Impact #1 (1955)
27. “There Is No Hope In Crime Alley” Detective Comics #457 (1975)
26. "The Fantastic Four" Fantastic Four #1 (1961)
25. “A League Divided” Justice League of America #200 (1981)
24. “Captain America Joins … the Avengers!” Avengers #4 (1964)
23. “To Kill a Legend” Detective Comics #500 (1980)
22. “Demon” Uncanny X-Men #143 (1980)
21. “The Pact” New Gods #7 (1971)
20. “Roulette” Daredevil #191 (1982)
19. “Second Genesis” Giant-Size X-Men #1 (1975)
18. “Even an Android Can Cry” Avengers #58 (1968)
17. “A Midsummer Night’s Dream” Sandman #19 (1990)
16. “X-Animations” X-Factor #87 (1992)
15. “Silent Interlude” G.I. Joe #21 (1984)
14. “In Mortal Combat With … the Sub-Mariner” Daredevil #7 (1965)
13. “Ramadan” Sandman #50 (1993)
12. “Return to Krypton” Superman #141 (1960)
11. “Pizza Is My Business” Hawkeye #11 (2013)
10. “The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man” Amazing Spider-Man #248 (1983)
9. “What’s So Funny About Truth, Justice and the American Way?” Action Comics #775 (2001)
8. “Men of Good Fortune” Sandman #13 (1989)
7. The Batman Adventures: Mad Love #1 (1993)
6. “The Anatomy Lesson” Swamp Thing #21 (1983)
5. “Spider-Man!” Amazing Fantasy #15 (1962)
4. “The Coyote Gospel” Animal Man #5 (1988)
3. “This Man, This Monster” Fantastic Four #51 (1966)
2. “The Nearness of You” Astro City 1/2 (1997)
1. “For the Man Who Has Everything” Superman Annual #11 (1985)
I have read twelve of these.
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