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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 14, 2018 21:09:28 GMT -5
They should all be based on some source material from the criteria put forward by Cei-U.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 14, 2018 21:10:52 GMT -5
I'm not participating this event -- but, I can offer my perspectives: Icctrombone -- Shadowman # 19 Aerosmith, I've very little information on Aerosmith and I just have no clue what he is conveying here. Sorry Icc. I don't know what you mean. Aerosmith is a famous rock band.
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Post by DubipR on Dec 14, 2018 21:16:08 GMT -5
They should all be based on some source material from the criteria put forward by Cei-U. That we all had input on it...
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 14, 2018 21:25:45 GMT -5
They should all be based on some source material from the criteria put forward by Cei-U. That we all had input on it... I think I agree with you now. Kurt said we could use real life people. I'm sure Jerry Lewis never did the things shown in his comic book.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 23:31:43 GMT -5
I'm not participating this event -- but, I can offer my perspectives: Icctrombone -- Shadowman # 19 Aerosmith, I've very little information on Aerosmith and I just have no clue what he is conveying here. Sorry Icc. I don't know what you mean. Aerosmith is a famous rock band. I thought Aerosmith was a part of the title; but looking at your initial post -- I misunderstood and you were referring to the famous band, whoops on my part.
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Post by Crimebuster on Dec 15, 2018 0:40:05 GMT -5
Please let's not argue in this thread of all places. This is the best thing we've got!
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Post by Confessor on Dec 15, 2018 5:05:20 GMT -5
No one who was actually involved is named, so I was stretching things. My fault; I read and reread the criteria and thought the treatment of a historic event would count, but I can see where it doesn't. I think -- and I may be speaking for Dubip here, too -- we went for fictionalized versions of events or stories. And since mine was set in Gotham City as opposed to NYC, and no real person makes even a cameo, it's more of an alternate world story. Apologies. I had no intention of pushing the envelope. Happy to switch it out if that's best for the event, Kurt. I say push the envelope. They're adaptations for a reason; if only the story structure is there based on a novel, events or whatever, only with a slight spin. Something like League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, to me, isn't an adaptation. It's an appropriation of characters. Did Nemo ever fight martians in the books? No. Did Mina Harker meet Harry Potter in the books, not at all. That's why I didn't choose them. I have 3 upcoming picks that are adaptations taken from the source material, just with a spin on them; different cities, different worlds. The names are different, but the themes of the material are there. That's an adaptation... at least to me. If you're talking pure adaptation, then half of Day 1 and Day 2's selections wouldn't be considered.... Also, these are our choices. Why shouldn't they be considered what they are? Nothing should be disqualified No, no, no...the rules for this year's Classic Comics Christmas were set out in a very clear way right from the get go. If you had any queries about them, Kurt graciously offered to answer your questions via PM ahead of time. In addition, we all had a week in which we could make suggestions concerning the rules before they were finalised. This is Kurt's thing and it always has been. It is not for you (or anyone else) to say "nothing should be disqualified" or anything goes! Mistakes can happen, of course, but there's a world of difference between someone making an honest mistake over interpretation of the rules and someone arbitrarily announcing that any choice they make should be allowed. If you can't or won't play by the rules then might I suggest that you don't play.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 15, 2018 7:48:48 GMT -5
Back on track... I kinda forgot it was starting! Anyway... Star Trek: Early Voyages(Feb. 1997 - Jun. 1998) I'm a big fan of exploring the small corners of fictional works, it this fit the bill nicely.. we get Capt. Pike's Enterprise and a re-interpreted version of the Cage. I thought Marvel was doing a really nice job with this series (the starting creative team was Dan Abnett and Patrick Zircher, both of whom I like) show the history without too many silly connections.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 15, 2018 9:45:33 GMT -5
Back on track... I kinda forgot it was starting! Anyway... Star Trek: Early Voyages(Feb. 1997 - Jun. 1998) I'm a big fan of exploring the small corners of fictional works, it this fit the bill nicely.. we get Capt. Pike's Enterprise and a re-interpreted version of the Cage. I thought Marvel was doing a really nice job with this series (the starting creative team was Dan Abnett and Patrick Zircher, both of whom I like) show the history without too many silly connections. I've never seen this one before but it certainly sounds good. How many issues did it run for?
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 15, 2018 9:52:17 GMT -5
This was a difficult one for me. Partly due to circumstance. I just moved to a new country. My comics have not yet arrived (still somewhere on the ocean). I am used to having tens of thousands of comics at my disposal to flip through to help me decide these things. And my experience with adaptations is limited. I am fascinated by seeing how other media translate comics. But am generally less interested in seeing what comics do with other media. Partly that's an impression, partially justified by experience, that comics companies don't always bring their A-game to adaptations. I recall reading for example the Independence Day adaptation by Marvel at an early age and the impression stuck. And our merciless overlord did me no favors by the rules by disallowing toy adaptations, which basically eliminates my childhood. Transformers was the first comic series I tried to collect and where I met the character of Spider-Man. And of course the "classic" rule always hits me. Just a few months from now and Parker The Hunter would have been a shoe-in. In a few years I would talk about Wolf Children. A decade from now, Flintstones. But a bit of thought and thinking around the edges of the rules brought me to a list of 25 contenders to choose from. 12. Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season 8by Joss Whedon, Brian Vaughn, Drew Goddard, Georges Jeanty, Karl Moline and friends Dark Horse, 2007 Fair to say Buffy was my favorite non-Simpsons television show as I transitioned from high school to college. Buffy and I were the same age, so we started college at the same time. Contending at the same time with a roommate clipping their nails. The show ended in a good spot, and didn't really need more to follow. But I was happy to see it anyway. Like checking in with old friends. Joss Whedon being to some extent involved lent the comic some credibility. To some extent. There was a little more room to push the envelope of imagination than TV budgets allowed.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 15, 2018 10:32:24 GMT -5
Back on track... I kinda forgot it was starting! Anyway... Star Trek: Early Voyages(Feb. 1997 - Jun. 1998) I'm a big fan of exploring the small corners of fictional works, it this fit the bill nicely.. we get Capt. Pike's Enterprise and a re-interpreted version of the Cage. I thought Marvel was doing a really nice job with this series (the starting creative team was Dan Abnett and Patrick Zircher, both of whom I like) show the history without too many silly connections. I've never seen this one before but it certainly sounds good. How many issues did it run for? It ran for 17 issues.. but really the 1st 12 are what you want... 13-15 is a time travel story to have an excuse to have the TOS cast on, and 16-17 was a 3 parter that never got finished.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 15, 2018 11:18:09 GMT -5
I've never seen this one before but it certainly sounds good. How many issues did it run for? It ran for 17 issues.. but really the 1st 12 are what you want... 13-15 is a time travel story to have an excuse to have the TOS cast on, and 16-17 was a 3 parter that never got finished. Very nice, I'll have to check it out
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 16, 2018 12:44:51 GMT -5
My list is sitting on my desk (I found it). I don't feel like going to the office. So I'll likely just do days 3-5 tomorrow. Unless I just rearrange it for stuff I remember. Until then...random thoughts.
MGM's Marvelous Wizard of Oz - I've never actually seen a copy of this. But then I saw very few tabloids for sale at the time. I certainly saw the house ads.
Captain Video - This is a series I've only seen pictures of.
Blade Runner - I bought a few movie adaptations over the years (very few). This was not one of them. But with Goodwin and Williamson I should check it out.
The Three Musketeers - I haven't read this one. I did pick up a few issues of the Marvel Classics from garage sales back in the day. I'm intrigued. Nino was an interesting artist. I may have to try to track this down.
Batman: Gotham by Gaslight - This never crossed my mind. In retrospect it probably should have...and though it's a close call (as to it fitting) it might well have made my list.
Rainbow - Cool. This is something I have never heard of. But cool.
Unexpected #217 - "Dear Senator" - I very seldom read DC's mystery books. I think I recall seeing this cover somewhere though. I may have to see if I can track down the story.
The Infinite Horizon - This sounds like something I'd like. I'll look for it. I think it maybe fits better than Kurt does. But it's his baby.
Superman Adventures - I make no secret of the fact that I generally hate Superman. The exceptions are the earliest Siegel & Shuster tales...and some of his animated appearances. I love the Fleisher (sp) cartoons and I generally liked Superman Animated. I didn't read the funny book though.
The Phantom, Charlton Comics, 1969-1970 - This was the predecessor to my Day One. I've only read a few of Aparo's Phantom books. But his art is always gold.
Marvel Team-Up # 74 - I bought Marvel Team-Up semi-regularly back around this time. This is not one of the books I bought.
Marvel Super Special # 1, 5 Kiss (Marvel 1977 - 1978) - I've not read these books. But then I really don't get the love for Kiss. So that may have a lot to do with it.
Creepshow GN - It's been eons since I've read this. It likely would not make my list if I'd thought of it...but it's a cool choice. I do like the meta of it being an adaptation of a movie that riffed on comics.
Batman: The Golden Streets of Gotham - I have to agree that this likely doesn't fit. But it's an interesting choice. I've read it...but not since it first came out. And I likely will again soon. I'm seriously considering an Elseworlds review thread.
Star Wars #38 - I've probably only read the first dozen or so issues of Star Wars. I liked the movies fine. But they just never jazzed me enough to read the comics, strips, books, graffiti, mugs, etc. Though I have contemplated looking for the Al Williamson strips...because...Al Williamson.
Thor #295-299 - I think I started buying Thor again with #300 (anniversary issue). So I'm pretty sure I've not read this. I'd like to say I will. but there are so many funny books. And so little time.
Tarzan Dark Horse, 1996 series - I don't think Tarzan is going to make my list. Kubert's Tarzan didn't quite make the cut. I did read a fair piece of this run though and it's largely pretty good.
Shadowman # 19 Aerosmith - Huh! Well what do you know. I had no idea this was a thing. I don't think I've ever read a Valiant comic. And I really don't like Aerosmith. I suspect I'll remain unaware that this is more than a thing.
"The Doomsday Book", Detective Comics #572 - I haven't read this forever. Like...maybe since 1987. I was happy to co-star in it though. I should probably re-read it.
Oz series, from Eric Shanower - I've read two or three of these. And they're pretty spiffy. I likely should have given them more consideration. Shanower and Skottie Young's adaptations would have been on my list if they weren't too new. If you haven't read them..you absolutely should.
The Cursed Earth 2000AD 61-85 - I've read very little Judge Dredd. One of those things I hope to rectify. But so many funnybooks, etc.
Star Trek: Early Voyages - Star Trek for me is a bit like Star Wars. I watched re-runs of Star Trek as a kid after school. And I liked them. I watched the first four movies. Largely because I worked at a video store in college. I tried to watch The Next Generation when it started but it seemed very derivative in the storylines (I understand it got better). And that was pretty much it. I think I just prefer my SF to be prose.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season 8 - I've never Buffy'd. Neither TV nor funnybooks.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 16, 2018 13:05:40 GMT -5
1. Shadowman # 19 Aerosmith - Huh! Well what do you know. I had no idea this was a thing. I don't think I've ever read a Valiant comic. And I really don't like Aerosmith. I suspect I'll remain unaware that this is more than a thing. 2. "The Doomsday Book", Detective Comics #572 - I haven't read this forever. Like...maybe since 1987. I was happy to co-star in it though. I should probably re-read it. 1. I can send you a copy. 2. You were in this book as a co-star?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 16, 2018 13:28:04 GMT -5
1. Shadowman # 19 Aerosmith - Huh! Well what do you know. I had no idea this was a thing. I don't think I've ever read a Valiant comic. And I really don't like Aerosmith. I suspect I'll remain unaware that this is more than a thing. 2. "The Doomsday Book", Detective Comics #572 - I haven't read this forever. Like...maybe since 1987. I was happy to co-star in it though. I should probably re-read it. 1. I can send you a copy. 2. You were in this book as a co-star? 1. I appreciate the sentiment. It would be better going to a home that will better appreciate it. 2. Yep. Slam Bradley appeared in this issue.
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