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Post by Søren on Dec 22, 2018 12:27:12 GMT -5
I only read 2000 AD stuff, and just picked up the Christmas special which is Prog no 2111. I know that because the number is on the side and is consistent, next Prog will be 2112, unless Tharg has a meltdown I dont care about the high number itself (though really cool to know its lasted so long) it's just very useful to know where you are, for ordering back issues maybe or seeing if you have one missing or when you are busy and need to tell a relative who knows nothing about the comic what prog you want picked up from town. Part of reason I dont stray to DC/Marvel things is I have no clue where to begin with any of it. #1 seems logical to me or a round number like #150, even a 'jumping on' issue what what number is that? What title? There seem to be a lot of the same #1 that are not even the start of a story. If things are in the same arc see no reason to renumber.
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Post by rberman on Dec 22, 2018 12:46:23 GMT -5
Absolutely, Chad! I'm beyond bored with it now. As you show, it's arbitrary, anyway. I don't know why they don't just abolish numbering - and have a month/year. I mean, it makes Marvel Comics look indecisive, reverting to legacy numbering, but then relaunching again MONTHS LATER. Imagine a business that re-branded and brought in old management, but then reverted to original branding, and brought in new managers, months later. It'd hardly inspire confidence in customers, I feel. Yup. Some of these tactics became the topic of internal mockery that made it onto the page:
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 12:58:56 GMT -5
Wow, they mocked themselves?!!!
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Post by rberman on Dec 22, 2018 12:59:43 GMT -5
Wow, they mocked themself?!!! <iframe width="19.300000000000068" height="3.0400000000000063" style="position: absolute; width: 19.300000000000068px; height: 3.0400000000000063px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_8739165" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.300000000000068" height="3.0400000000000063" style="position: absolute; width: 19.3px; height: 3.04px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 909px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_61225115" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.300000000000068" height="3.0400000000000063" style="position: absolute; width: 19.3px; height: 3.04px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 93px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_49910735" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.300000000000068" height="3.0400000000000063" style="position: absolute; width: 19.3px; height: 3.04px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 909px; top: 93px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_35570773" scrolling="no"></iframe> Well, the creators mocked the bureaucrats above them who mandated the renumbering, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 13:08:26 GMT -5
Surprised the bureaucrats let that one pass!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 23, 2018 10:30:35 GMT -5
Surprised the bureaucrats let that one pass! They know there's a little money to be made by letting themselves be mocked, so it's fine with them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 10:36:30 GMT -5
Next time (if there's a next time) Marvel reverts to legacy numbering, the person doing the mocking will be me. Not that they'll listen. I'll also ask them for scientific proof of new #1 issues retaining new readers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 14:00:32 GMT -5
Next time (if there's a next time) Marvel reverts to legacy numbering, the person doing the mocking will be me. Not that they'll listen. I'll also ask them for scientific proof of new #1 issues retaining new readers. Nobody cared about retaining readers, they care about having the quarterly sales reports look good enough to keep their jobs. And since retailers (and readers) have been trained like Pavlov's dogs to order and buy #1s in higher numbers, they offset the sales attrition of higher numbers (the best selling books lose 3-5% of orders per issue on average, the worse much higher, that's after 20-60% drops between issues #1 and #3 most titles experience), so as long as quarterly sales are what publishers measure success by and #1 continue to provide reliable sales bumps, you will continue to see #1s put out by publishers on a regular basis. Retaining readers isn't even a consideration for the suits who decide what to do and who gets to keep their jobs. It's all about the short term, not the long term, same with just about every business in the 21st century. If a move pays off 4-5 years down the road, the people who made the move won't be at that job anymore to see the benefits if the short term doesn't pay off as well. That's the reality of the publishing world, and any expectation that doesn't start with understanding that at its basis, is essentially wishful thinking without any basis in reality. -M
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 14:41:06 GMT -5
Great, an industry where bean-counters' wishes are paramount.
Just wish they could see the damage. It really does look pathetic when some titles have had a #1 six or seven times in the last 10-15 years. Utterly pointless even though what you describe is true.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 23, 2018 14:50:34 GMT -5
Great, an industry where bean-counters' wishes are paramount. Just wish they could see the damage. It really does look pathetic when some titles have had a #1 six or seven times in the last 10-15 years. Utterly pointless even though what you describe is true. That’s pretty much every industry.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 14:56:37 GMT -5
True. But I like to think that profits and common sense aren't mutually exclusive.
I can't help think that less decompression (sometimes!) and fewer gimmicks/relaunches might be better. It's not just me. When I have a lapsed reader friend telling me that he gave up working out which volume of a trade to buy next (Thor, I think), I realise that Marvel has lost not only the sale on that book, but potential future trade sales. Like they did with me and the Vader book.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 15:24:07 GMT -5
I honestly cannot name how many Marvel trades I've passed up (even at $5 a pop), because I have not idea where they fit in continuity or what order they should be read in.
this most frequently happens with X-Men family books, that I'd be happy to pick up trades of, but can never tell what is what, and there is so much re-numbering from #1 and relaunching, that I just gave up in disgust.
also has happened with Avengers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 15:53:27 GMT -5
So, another lost sale, eh?
It wouldn't be a problem for me if every comic issue featured a standalone tale. I am sure I picked up Essential and Showcase volumes out of order.
But when it's a long-running arc (e.g. Jane Foster becoming Thor) or whatever, having the correct trades matters.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 16:09:27 GMT -5
Great, an industry where bean-counters' wishes are paramount. Just wish they could see the damage. It really does look pathetic when some titles have had a #1 six or seven times in the last 10-15 years. Utterly pointless even though what you describe is true. Bean counters have always ruled comics. If Martin Goodman (bean counter supreme) hadn't seen JLofA was selling and wanted something like that, there would be no Fantastic Four and no Marvel Comics. He didn't say wow what a great idea Jack and Stan, let's publish it and see if we can build long time readers, he said, hey let's cash in on what people are already buying and have shown to buy by doing something like that. Publishers in the Golden Age didn't say, wow we could build longtime readership and produce great content by doing stories of guys in capes and tights. They said, hey that Action book with Superman is doing gangbusters, let's do shit like that. If you take off your nostalgia glasses and look at what's really there, comics publishing has always been run by the bean counters. The fact you got long runs and some good content is despite bean counters running it not because they weren't running it. -M
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 16:12:31 GMT -5
Yes, but the bean counters seem more prevalent now.
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