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Post by chadwilliam on Dec 27, 2018 22:45:08 GMT -5
So in some alternate universe, Kurt Busiek and Alex Ross brought their idea for a four issue miniseries which would provide snapshots of superhero/comic book history as seen through the lens of a newspaper reporter not to Marvel Comics but to DC. From the debuts of Superman, The Crimson Avenger, and Batman in the 1930's through first hand accounts of travelling into Nazi Germany with The Boy Commandoes in the 1940's, to typing up stories about the revival of such Golden Age heroes as The Flash and Green Lantern as Roy Raymond plays on TV in the background in the 1950's, and onward throughout history ending with the advent of strange, ominous red skies in 1985, this Daily Planet reporter has seen a lot. But what exactly has he seen? Which events of DC history from, say, it's beginnings in 1935 until, let's go with the start of Crisis in 1985/86 as the series ending point for fairly obvious reasons, would be the events which must be included in DC's answer to Marvels to be a truly worthy history of the DC Universe. Just as Marvels had to show us the unveiling of The Human Torch from Marvel Comics 1, his battle with The Submariner in Marvel Mystery Comics 9, the wedding of Sue Storm and Reed Richards from Fantastic Four Annual 3, the coming of Galactus from Fantastic Four 48-50, etc for it to be complete, which weddings, deaths, debuts, battles, costume changes, whatever would Busiek and Ross have to depict in this series for DC's companion piece to equal Marvels? There are some rules, of course. 1. Only events which actually occurred in the time period being depicted count. That is, if a comic from 1970 retroactively introduced a World War II hero or villain into its history, then that character would be off limits when Busiek and Ross are presenting what went on in the DC Universe during the war regardless of how important those Bronze Age stories make this character out to be. In other words, only the characters, stories, information available at the time being focused on would be permitted for use during those moments. No Lobo showing up to fight the JSA because a 90's comic said he did for instance. Of course, if you can find an All Star Comics from 1940-51 with Lobo, feel free to include it. 2. Assume that everything depicted within happened on the same Earth. I know this might arguably contradict my edict that this title must contain the most important events in DC history, but since I think the story should have a linear narrative from Point A to Point Z I simply don't see how our Phil Sheldon proxy can start off his tale introducing one history only to switch over to another history halfway through the narrative without this everyman becoming a dimension spanning, time travelling super being which sort of defeats the definition of "every man". So certainly, incorporate the JSA and JLA into this history, but avoid any admission that they belonged to separate Earths. It's a handicap I know, since some of the biggest tales of DC history focused on Earth 2 heroes visiting Earth 1, but let's try to work around it. 3. Include only events and details that a reporter would have reasonable access to. Supergirl's debut to the world in 1962 would be fair game; her landing in Metropolis in 1959 however, would not since no reporters were present and her existence was a secret shared between Superman and Supergirl at that time. So that's about it. Anyone interested in playing this game? Here are the start of my selections. 1. Action Comics 7, 1938. After hearing reporters of the elusive Superman waging war on racketeers, wife beaters, dictators, and common criminals - often first hand from co-worker Lois Lane, our Daily Star/Planet reporter/narrator is present when Superman makes his debut in front of a crowd of people attending the Jordan Circus in Metropolis. Superman juggling dumb bells and a strong man, lifting a elephant above his head singlehandedly was the first time Superman appeared from the shadows to conclusively prove that yes, rumours of a strangely garbed mystery man performing unbelievable feats were in fact true. 2. Batman 7, 1941. Though present when rays from a dirigible over the skies of Gotham cause enough destruction to result in the deaths of thousands, and on the scene when the victims of The Joker are revealed by the police to the press shortly after the start of his murders, our reporter has never actually caught a glimpse of the mysterious Bat-Man who protects this city. He's spoken with Police Commissioner Gordon on several occasions about the man - sometimes interrupting discussions the Commissioner is already having on the subject with his millionaire friend Bruce Wayne - but other than being present when Batman seemingly murders a handful of policemen in Batman 2 but is gunned down and exposed as an imposter, he doesn't actually get a look at the real man until Batman 7 when, on the verge of being arrested for acts of vigilantism in a court of law, does Commissioner Gordon leap to his defence, gives a rousing speech about his importance to the city, and offers the until now, mysterious figure the chance to become a duly deputized officer of the law.
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Post by Chris on Dec 28, 2018 0:43:11 GMT -5
Sounds rather interesting. A few random events off the top of my head...
The arrival of Superman is the biggest event of all of DC's history, or course, but I would say that the second biggest event happened about 10 years later, when it was learned that Superman was from another planet. Incontrovertible proof that there is life out there. World shaking ramifications, at least philosophically speaking.
Imagine the scoop when Ultra-Humanite started body hopping. I can just picture the celebrity tabloids - "Actress gets brain transplant, becomes super villain!" *
The formation of the Justice Society.
The next two biggest events I can think of are obviated by Rule #2 - Flash's discovery of a parallel Earth, and the first appearance of Superboy. However, I might have a workaround.
I know you want to keep the reporter as an Everyman, to match with Marvels. But even an everyman sometiems decides to pick up and start over somewhere else. Sooo....
Our Intrepid Reporter one day sees TWO Flashes running around. This happens again, and again. There may be a few other "copycat" heroes who show up around then, as well (I don't know who visited Earth-Two, or how publicly, between Flash's first visit and the first JLA/JSA crossover). The reporter finally catches up to the twin streaks and gets The Story (which, once again, carries world shaking ramifications, which no one seems to get all that worked up about. I guess once you find out that aliens exist and live on Earth, parallel worlds aren't too big a deal. At least, I never saw any comics where the general public got too excited).
The reporter eventually finesses his way to the biggest story yet - traveling to another Earth with the JSA. He's quite taken with the new place, and being a lonely bachelor with few friends and no family, soon decides to move.... to Earth-One.
There, begins his new life, with occasional visits back home. Keeping up with the re-emergence of the JSA, for one. But mostly he focuses on his new home. He quickly does his research and learns about the appearance of Superboy, heralding an age of superheros like the one on his own world, but very different. From there, he sees firsthand the rest of the Silver and Bronze Ages.
Right up to the Crisis. The story ends with him having to reconcile memories of Earth-Two, Earth-One, and the strange combination of the two. Or maybe he doesn't remember anything before the Crisis, but he discovers the stories he wrote and realizes something huge happened.
Or not. Feel free to disregard all of this. Just my attempt at keeping DC history mostly intact while still having an everyman.
but remember, this is the DC Universe, after all. Where a newspaperman can get super-powers from smoking cigars, a piece of a white dwarf star can just suddenly land on your neighbor's lawn, and even a janitor can suddenly become the a supervillain capable of defeating Superman and Batman. Seems like there's no such thing as a real everyman in DC.
* This makes me wonder. Would there even BE a National Enquirer or any other tabloid in the DC Universe? I mean, the story of Dolores Winters/Ultra-Humanite alone is far more surreal than even the "Bat Boy" stories in World Weekly News or whatever. How would a tabloid ever top the regular papers?
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Post by hondobrode on Dec 28, 2018 12:50:18 GMT -5
Wonder Woman enters man's world
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Post by kirby101 on Dec 29, 2018 15:25:07 GMT -5
Doesn't work for me. The DC Universe was never interconnected the way Marvel was. It felt real that Phil Shelton would witness everything.
In DC with all the imaginary cities and separate comic worlds it doesn't sound right.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 15:50:12 GMT -5
I would love to see both Kurt and Alex made a Marvel Version to DC Comics and what Kirby101 said -- it would be a difficult thing to do and I just can't see this happening.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 22:52:29 GMT -5
I would have to go with something similar to Chris post. Part of DC's history & the charm that makes it different from Marvel was the Earth 1/Earth 2 stuff in the 60's & 70's. Also DC's 40's history seems more varied than Marvel's so that would need more detail.
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Post by chadwilliam on Dec 29, 2018 23:44:03 GMT -5
Doesn't work for me. The DC Universe was never interconnected the way Marvel was. It felt real that Phil Shelton would witness everything. In DC with all the imaginary cities and separate comic worlds it doesn't sound right. A very good point. Even without all the parallel Earths, it suspends credibility to have Sheldon always being in the right place at the right time while having to constantly travel from Metropolis to Gotham to Central City to wherever. You could probably stay in New York your whole life in the Marvel Universe and see pretty much all the major heroes whenever you wanted to. Come to think of it, does anything ever really happen in the New York of the DC Universe what with Metropolis and Gotham being 'New York with Superman and New York with Batman' respectively? Still, just as Marvel has it's "Everybody knows where they were and what they were doing when they heard that New York had been flooded by The Sub Mariner/Galactus arrived on Earth/ Reed Richards and Sue Storm were married", the DC Universe has quite a few of those as well. Where were you when you heard that The Flash had been arrested for murder? Did you watch the Superman/Muhammad Ali fight on TV? What about the Superman/Flash race? I guess I'm looking for moments such as these.
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Post by Chris on Dec 30, 2018 1:18:44 GMT -5
You could have the reporter cover 1938-1951. Then have his Earth-1 counterpart cover 1956-1985. It would fit in with the parallel Earths theme at DC. Ok, a little more seriously... ...just as Marvel has it's "Everybody knows where they were and what they were doing when they heard that New York had been flooded by The Sub Mariner/Galactus arrived on Earth/ Reed Richards and Sue Storm were married", the DC Universe has quite a few of those as well. Where were you when you heard that The Flash had been arrested for murder? Did you watch the Superman/Muhammad Ali fight on TV? What about the Superman/Flash race? I guess I'm looking for moments such as these. I like the idea of a DC version of Marvels. But I don't know if it can really be done through the single viewpoint character like Marvels was. However, your comment here suggests another path. Think of something like those hardcover Time-Life books. Maybe use "NewsTime" from the Superman comics. Have a 5 or 10-volume set covering the decades from the late 30's to the mid 80's (with a little wiggle room. The 1940s volume(s) could actually go up to 1951). You could load it up with encyclopedia style entries, mixed in with interviews with the characters, and with the "where were you when...?" idea you mentioned. Where were you when Superman first appeared? Where were you when Adam Strange returned to Earth with amazing stories of life and love on another world? Where were you when Superman was on Candid Camera?
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Post by rberman on Dec 30, 2018 9:19:21 GMT -5
Darwin Cooke's The New Frontier did not have a civilian frame story character like Marvels did, but other than that he was pretty much shooting for the same thing, connecting the key characters of the Golden and Silver Ages from Batman to Blackhawks to Weird War, even fully committing to an art style that had previously seemed antiquated to me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 9:26:04 GMT -5
Darwin Cooke's The New Frontier did not have a civilian frame story character like Marvels did, but other than that he was pretty much shooting for the same thing, connecting the key characters of the Golden and Silver Ages from Batman to Blackhawks to Weird War, even fully committing to an art style that had previously seemed antiquated to me. Great observation. Cooke's New Frontier is probably the most similar to Marvels.
Another thought: if you had all of DC's history on a shared earth the "everyman" could be Johnny Thunder. That would explain why he was around for many of the events of the JSA and JLA. You might have him telling the stories to his biographer to "tell" the story.
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Post by kirby101 on Dec 30, 2018 11:28:03 GMT -5
I loved New Frontier and agree it was sort of Marvels-like. But it also seemed like an elseworlds story rather than something in the DCU. Marvels was firmly rooted in the MU, and that's the thing, it is Stan's great achievement, a completely integrated comic Universe. DC eventually adopted this, but it took Crisis for them to do it.
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Post by hondobrode on Dec 30, 2018 12:37:09 GMT -5
How about the everyman interviewing the Time Masters, or maybe a recently discovered chrono-log that Harbinger left up until the original crisis
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 9:53:13 GMT -5
I loved New Frontier and agree it was sort of Marvels-like. But it also seemed like an elseworlds story rather than something in the DCU. Marvels was firmly rooted in the MU, and that's the thing, it is Stan's great achievement, a completely integrated comic Universe. DC eventually adopted this, but it took Crisis for them to do it. Importantly, it was the Crisis that helped Cooke to create New Frontier and that's made it a great comic that I really liked so well. Not only that, it's was made into a great cartoon that everyone loves so much and I pretty much watched it several times over! ... and still today, people still talk about it all the time!
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Post by chadwilliam on Dec 31, 2018 22:55:11 GMT -5
Here are a few other events I wouldn't mind seeing on the page:
1939. Midwestern University student Jay Garrick reportedly astounds a stadium full of onlookers as he proceeds to singlehandedly win the final football game of the season. Witnesses claim he somehow managed to vanish into thin air throughout the game only to reappear at touchdown line seconds later. Skeptics supply mass hysteria or hoax as explanation for extraordinary story. Flash Comics 1.
January, 1940. Coney island attacked by Sieur Satan using machine gun mounted atop airplane. Bullets snatched from air by strangely garbed figure referred to as The Flash. Flash Comics 1.
March, 1940. The "Gat" Benson gang turned over to police after being apprehended by Detective Jim Corrigan. Reporter unable to get a comment from the usually brazen Benson as he and his men have been inexplicably reduced to gibbering idiots following their ordeal. Also unable to explain pile of human bones found at scene of arrest. More Fun Comics 52-53.
1942. Missing Captain Steve Trevor carried into Washington, D.C. hospital by Wonder Woman with concussion. Reporter on scene manages to capture Wonder Woman stopping a car with bare hands and deflecting bullets with her bracelets among other feats of strength. 'Bullets and Bracelets' show opens on-stage and new superheroine performs such feats in front of transfixed crowd.Sensation Comics 1.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jan 2, 2019 11:47:49 GMT -5
This would be great fun, and I think that even with the breadth of the DC Universe of the Golden Age, the events could be covered in a way similar to Shelton's in Marvels.
The conceit could be that the burgeoning success of radio and newsreel organizations allows, indeed compels, correspondents to be all over. The Superman phenomenon that began in the spring of 1938 might be seen as a precursor to the atmosphere of worry and fear that occurred just a few months later in the wake of the Welles War of the Worlds broadcast. Even in a relatively contained area like NYC, it might strain credulity that the same photographer would be present at so mnay key Marvel Universe events, after all.
There could be local correspondents in places like Keystone City and Gotham, and national correspondents like Edward R. Murrow who weigh in and travel to cover stories as well. ("This... is... Metropolis.")
A sports announcer/reporter might be the one who first investigates Jay Garrick's performance. (I wonder if his first name might have come from the University of Chicago's Jay Berwanger, the first Heisman winner. He never played in the pros for various reasons, but went into plastic and rubber manufacturing. Garrick was, of course, a fine football player to begin with, but also a "brilliant" student" engaged in scientific research.)
A Gotham crime reporter might start the investigation of Batman. A colleague on the Gotham Gazette who covers radio might be curious about the connection between Alan Scott and Green Lantern.
And, yes, sadly, Darwyn Cooke would have been perfect for this kind of project.
Etcetera, etcetera...
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