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Post by shaxper on May 19, 2019 10:15:37 GMT -5
My only issue with that list is that it has a large void because great comics from the last 10 years are ineligible for it (and unlike some here, I don't think great comics from the last ten years is an oxymoron). -M No one suggested during that event that great comics haven't been made in the past ten years, but this is the Classic Comics Forum. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jun 4, 2019 12:55:16 GMT -5
I actually started reading Lone Wolf in May but wasn't loging i as I completed the volumes so they're all june.
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Post by mrbrklyn on Jun 24, 2019 16:57:42 GMT -5
My only issue with that list is that it has a large void because great comics from the last 10 years are ineligible for it (and unlike some here, I don't think great comics from the last ten years is an oxymoron). -M No one suggested during that event that great comics haven't been made in the past ten years, but this is the Classic Comics Forum. It might be that great comics from the last ten years is not an oxymoron, but they are rare compared to previous decades none the less. We seem to have more product than ever, and little to show for it.. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jun 28, 2019 15:25:05 GMT -5
No one suggested during that event that great comics haven't been made in the past ten years, but this is the Classic Comics Forum. It might be that great comics from the last ten years is not an oxymoron, but they are rare compared to previous decades none the less. We seem to have more product than ever, and little to show for it.. I don't agree. I think the last decade has done a hard pivot away from comics aimed at people my age (and gender) and that floppies are increasingly irrelevant but HOLY $%^ MY FAVORITE THING IS MONSTERS! But overall I'm super happy to be living in the Telgemeier decade. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jun 30, 2019 8:06:36 GMT -5
No one suggested during that event that great comics haven't been made in the past ten years, but this is the Classic Comics Forum. It might be that great comics from the last ten years is not an oxymoron, but they are rare compared to previous decades none the less. We seem to have more product than ever, and little to show for it.. I don't see that at all, that seems like a serious case of rose tinted glasses to me. |
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Post by The Captain on Jun 30, 2019 8:18:48 GMT -5
Have to take my younger daughter to summer camp this afternoon, so I don't know if I'll have a chance to read any more this month. Read 99 stories in June, using this month as a "clean out the fridge" kind of exercise. Almost everything I read was random books I've picked up for $1 here and there that I just never got around to because I was working my way through longer series.
The best thing I read all month were the 16 Suicide Squad issues in my collection. Really enjoyed them and am planning to keep looking for $1 bin issues of the series when I have the chance. It's John Ostrander writing it, so it's going to be great at times and still better than a lot when it's only good.
Worst thing I read this month was the current issue of Captain America (Coates is killing me on this book, as he has zero sense of pacing and this issue focused more on secondary characters YET AGAIN than actually on Steve Rogers) and an issue of Dead of Night that I had grabbed for $1 somewhere (the book wasn't bad per se, but 50's horror stuff really isn't my cup of tea, so I doubt I will be buying any more even if I can get them cheap)
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Post by shaxper on Jun 30, 2019 8:21:14 GMT -5
This has been a GREAT reading month for me. I've made my way mostly through volume three of the Kirby/Lee Fantastic Four Masterworks, I'm reading classic Life with Archie with my daughter, reading Claremont's X-Men with my girlfriend, and next month I hope to start classic Ms. Marvel with both of my daughters and the Marvel Treasury Editions with my girlfriend's son. I have never ever had this many people to read comics with, and I am loving it!
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Post by mrbrklyn on Jul 1, 2019 1:58:36 GMT -5
It might be that great comics from the last ten years is not an oxymoron, but they are rare compared to previous decades none the less. We seem to have more product than ever, and little to show for it.. I don't see that at all, that seems like a serious case of rose tinted glasses to me. that is just a catch all phrase with out much meaning that is tossed about when someone disagrees. In this case, I am not even sure what is being rose tinted. C'est La Vie. If you can express a more specific argument, I can be convineced to concede a point or not, based on some form of evidence. But I don't think you are going to have much of a chance at this. Nothing today compares remotely to the monthly output of Clarmounts X-Men, Bynes FF, Gaiman's Sandman, McFarlenes Spiderman, Valiants entire universe, not to mention Cerbus, TNT, Borlands WW, Alex Ross's DC books, Mark Waid's Flash, Frank Millers Daredevil etc ... much of which was produced at the same time or the same decade...on the news stands together... |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jul 1, 2019 18:33:28 GMT -5
I don't see that at all, that seems like a serious case of rose tinted glasses to me. that is just a catch all phrase with out much meaning that is tossed about when someone disagrees. In this case, I am not even sure what is being rose tinted. C'est La Vie. If you can express a more specific argument, I can be convineced to concede a point or not, based on some form of evidence. But I don't think you are going to have much of a chance at this. Nothing today compares remotely to the monthly output of Clarmounts X-Men, Bynes FF, Gaiman's Sandman, McFarlenes Spiderman, Valiants entire universe, not to mention Cerbus, TNT, Borlands WW, Alex Ross's DC books, Mark Waid's Flash, Frank Millers Daredevil etc ... much of which was produced at the same time or the same decade...on the news stands together... Comics aren't any different than any other medium of entertainment when it comes to generational comparisons. It's easy to quote the greatest hits of a decade...they're great so of course the come right to your mind and so form your opinion of the quality of the medium in that era. However, when you really break it down for every run like Byrne's FF or Superman runs or Miller's run on DD there were ten other books that were absolute dreck and it's no different today. Sure, there are a lot of books that feel like hollow, mass produced garbage but there are truly great books being put out as well and the ratio between the two isn't any worse than it's ever been. |
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Post by mrbrklyn on Jul 1, 2019 20:28:02 GMT -5
However, when you really break it down for every run like Byrne's FF or Superman runs or Miller's run on DD there were ten other books that were absolute dreck and it's no different today. Sure, there are a lot of books that feel like hollow, mass produced garbage but there are truly great books being put out as well and the ratio between the two isn't any worse than it's ever been.
Yes - it is different today.. very different. The point you make here has no evidence. There was a greater number of extremely well thought out books then in raw numbers and in percentage than there are now...
really it is not close.
Mediums go through golden ages and times of much lesser quality of output... and that is where we are now. There is no capacity at all right now to produce anything like Cerbus or Clarmounts XMen which ran a whooping 17 years. Hell, today doesn't even have a well of talent and economic outlets to produce even something compriable to Love and Rockets... let along XMen... and I hate the XMen.
All one can say is if they think Comics is now a dry bone, the film industry is even worst.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jul 1, 2019 20:37:21 GMT -5
However, when you really break it down for every run like Byrne's FF or Superman runs or Miller's run on DD there were ten other books that were absolute dreck and it's no different today. Sure, there are a lot of books that feel like hollow, mass produced garbage but there are truly great books being put out as well and the ratio between the two isn't any worse than it's ever been.
Yes - it is different today.. very different. The point you make here has no evidence. There was a greater number of extremely well thought out books then in raw numbers and in percentage than there are now...
really it is not close.
Mediums go through golden ages and times of much lesser quality of output... and that is where we are now. There is no capacity at all right now to produce anything like Cerbus or Clarmounts XMen which ran a whooping 17 years. Hell, today doesn't even have a well of talent and economic outlets to produce even something compriable to Love and Rockets... let along XMen... and I hate the XMen.
All one can say is if they think Comics is now a dry bone, the film industry is even worst.
It's no different at all, for every great run from say the 80's you can name I could easily name one that's just as good coming out today AND ten books from when your book was published that were crap. And it's the same with film and music, every "Modern" era is said to mark the end of quality and you'll see people talking about how much better things were in such and such a decade and yet latter down the road when that "Modern" period that was such a dark period is no longer contemporary you'll see it listed as just a "classic" a decade as the others it was previously compared so negatively to. |
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Post by mrbrklyn on Jul 1, 2019 20:57:50 GMT -5
And it's the same with film and music, every "Modern" era is said to mark the end of quality
that is also not true. It is just something people say when they want to justify this line of thinking as rational when it is not rational. Most golden ages have been recognized as being great moments and reckognized the talents that drove those eras in cultural history, AS THEY HAPPENED, although retrospect usually cements that greatness. This was true for Rembrandt, Beethoven, Shakespeare, Michelangelo, Dickens, The Beatles, Babe Ruth, and Chris Claremount. However talents like Van Gogh and Vermeer took a like longer to get recognition. But no one of any expertise would say .. "Oh well, the Dutch Golden Ages... well, so what... the art in the 18th Century was just as good just a different era and style."
That last quote would be summarily incorrect and would be ignored. It wouldn't even raise an eyebrow because it is just so wrong as to not draw ire.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jul 1, 2019 21:16:14 GMT -5
that is also not true. It is just something people say when they want to justify this line of thinking as rational when it is not rational. Most golden ages have been recognized as being great moments and reckognized the talents that drove those eras in cultural history, AS THEY HAPPENED, although retrospect usually cements that greatness. This was true for Rembrandt, Beethoven, Shakespeare, Michelangelo, Dickens, The Beatles, Babe Ruth, and Chris Claremount. However talents like Van Gogh and Vermeer took a like longer to get recognition. But no one of any expertise would say .. "Oh well, the Dutch Golden Ages... well, so what... the art in the 18th Century was just as good just a different era and style."
That last quote would be summarily incorrect and would be ignored. It wouldn't even raise an eyebrow because it is just so wrong as to not draw ire.
It's not irrational at all...it's reality. People are forever decrying the latest generation to be the worst in everything whether it's music, literature, film, television...and yes comics and yet as I said once that next generation comes of age that once derided period becomes just as venerated as the other previous eras and if you haven't seen that then I don't think we live on the same plain of existence. And as I said, name as many books from any past decade and I'll not only name just as many that have been put out in the last ten years but as I said also ten books from your era that were terrible. Culture really is all pretty relative and that's very well understood. None of that is to say that books (or whatever)from a certain era may appeal more to your own personal tastes than works from another era...it's just that saying that is much different than saying books from such a such an era are objectively better than now. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 1, 2019 22:25:19 GMT -5
However, when you really break it down for every run like Byrne's FF or Superman runs or Miller's run on DD there were ten other books that were absolute dreck and it's no different today. Sure, there are a lot of books that feel like hollow, mass produced garbage but there are truly great books being put out as well and the ratio between the two isn't any worse than it's ever been.
Yes - it is different today.. very different. The point you make here has no evidence. There was a greater number of extremely well thought out books then in raw numbers and in percentage than there are now...
really it is not close.
Mediums go through golden ages and times of much lesser quality of output... and that is where we are now. There is no capacity at all right now to produce anything like Cerbus or Clarmounts XMen which ran a whooping 17 years. Hell, today doesn't even have a well of talent and economic outlets to produce even something compriable to Love and Rockets... let along XMen... and I hate the XMen.
All one can say is if they think Comics is now a dry bone, the film industry is even worst.
It had exactly the same amount of evidence your blanket statement had. Who gives a shit that Claremont’s X-Men ran 17 years? Longevity does not equal quality. There’s about three years of marginally better than average superhero funnybooks, a couple years of coasting and a dozen of crap. Your blanket statement that comics and films are “bone dry” with nothing whatsoever to back it up but your Oh-So-Authoritative opinion is as useful as a fart in a windstorm. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 6, 2019 8:20:28 GMT -5
I’m 58 years old and must have read over 15 thousand comics . It would take something really unique to impress me these last 10 years That’s not to say there isn’t something brilliant, only that I’ve seen it all and this era is for the younger generation to love.
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