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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 6, 2019 1:43:53 GMT -5
I dunno... it doesn't seem like the replacement characters did much conceptually that the Silver Age legacy characters didn't do first.
The Earth-Two Robin - Has to take over Batman's job, worried that he's not good enough. (Nobody ever acknowledges how important the Earth-Two Robin was in the development of superheroes, but when we think "legacy character" 98% of what occurs to us started with the Earth-Two Robin.)
Zatanna - Related to a previous hero character.
Blue Beetle - The guy who didn't even know the original hero, but ends up in the same costume and having to interact with the dead hero's milleu.
So on the one hand: These are the exact same conceptual archetypes as the Wally West Flash, Connor Hawk Green Arrow and Kyle Rayner Green Lantern. (In order.) Legacy heroes have always felt more driven by commerce than art to me, and they haven't been creatively exciting since the '60s.
On the other hand: SOME change in a 50-60-70 year old franchise is more interesting than no change in a 50-60-70 year old franchise. And some legacy characters I just like better than the originals.
I definitely have some affinity for the recent wave of Marvel characters who are Black or Asian or Hispanic or women or Muslims. Mostly because I see internet racists flip out about this, and HA! $%^& you, internet racists!
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 7, 2019 5:31:11 GMT -5
Thinking about the Wally West Flash in particular:
I liked Barry better. Huge $%&*ing nerd who gets hyper-focused on science and forgets about people. That is interesting. That is far more interesting than Spider-Man-esque teenage everyman hero # 34,312.
The Flash is a bad candidate for legacy character in general. He is a guy who runs fast. Simple! "There is this guy who runs fast but there used to be another guy who runs fast and this guy replaced that guy." much less simple. Conceptual simplicity is a strength, and confusilating your conceptually simple character with a bunch of needless baggage is a weakness. Green Lantern or Iron Man or even Superman work much better as legacies because they are more complicated characters. Simplicity is much less important for them.
The post-Crisis FLASH series completely changed the character of Wally West. This version has no personality traits in common with previous versions, especially the Reagan-youthy Wally West from the uber-popular New Teen Titans series. *I* don't have a problem with this, but from a "getting people to care about continuity" standpoint this is a puzzling choice.
Still, I really like the first 150-or-so issues of the post-Crisis Flash. (I haven't read them all, but I've liked everything I've read from that block of comics.) So execution, for me, will always trump conceptual problems.
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Post by brutalis on Feb 7, 2019 8:09:16 GMT -5
Thinking about the Wally West Flash in particular: I liked Barry better. Huge $%&*ing nerd who gets hyper-focused on science and forgets about people. That is interesting. That is far more interesting than Spider-Man-esque teenage everyman hero # 34,312. The Flash is a bad candidate for legacy character in general. He is a guy who runs fast. Simple! "There is this guy who runs fast but there used to be another guy who runs fast and this guy replaced that guy." much less simple. Conceptual simplicity is a strength, and confusilating your conceptually simple character with a bunch of needless baggage is a weakness. Green Lantern or Iron Man or even Superman work much better as legacies because they are more complicated characters. Simplicity is much less important for them. The post-Crisis FLASH series completely changed the character of Wally West. This version has no personality traits in common with previous versions, especially the Reagan-youthy Wally West from the uber-popular New Teen Titans series. *I* don't have a problem with this, but from a "getting people to care about continuity" standpoint this is a puzzling choice. Still, I really like the first 150-or-so issues of the post-Crisis Flash. (I haven't read them all, but I've liked everything I've read from that block of comics.) So execution, for me, will always trump conceptual problems. Part of what makes Barry the stronger character is he really is the 1st one (with apologies to Jay) that comes to mind as the Flash and had the "longest" run (yes,pun intended) to help instill him in readers minds and memories. And with his death/return DC has emphasized that Barry is "the fastest and best" of all the speedsters in the DCU or any other companies for that matter. Wally comes in at 2nd and for some a fan favorite 1st. I really didn't like the initial stories and characterization for Wally when he began as the Flash but as they evolved him and allowed for his own series to stand on it's own I find a lot of it to being very good and fun comics.
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