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Post by rberman on Mar 20, 2019 9:39:24 GMT -5
Supreme Power #6
My Two Cents: Not much to add. The page with Nighthawk impatiently listening to Hyperion’s morality lecture was a nice touch of “magical realism” that exploited the narrative possibilities of comic art effectively. Doctor Spectrum’s brief rampage opens up dramatic possibilities for the future; we expect to find him going off the rails and having to be put down. The trade paperback may have been released after six issues, but I feel that the real break in the story is between issues #9 and #10.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Mar 20, 2019 11:55:30 GMT -5
I thought it was a nice touch that Mark didn't tell Stan about how powerful he actually is ... that he's farther above Stan than Stan is above normal people. Both for his own sense of privacy and not wanting to undermine this new, fragile relationship.
I wonder which one is meant to be faster? Or is that a 'Superman vs Flash' unanswerable question?
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 20, 2019 14:36:06 GMT -5
I thought it was a nice touch that Mark didn't tell Stan about how powerful he actually is ... that he's farther above Stan than Stan is above normal people. Both for his own sense of privacy and not wanting to undermine this new, fragile relationship. I wonder which one is meant to be faster? Or is that a 'Superman vs Flash' unanswerable question? I can't recall if it is ever explored; I don't think so, as JMS abandoned the series before coming to any conclusion and he was still doing a lot of world building. I haven't read the whole thing in quite a while, and am only an issue or so ahead of the reviews (I generally read through tem and write my piece, right after, while it is fresh in my mind). I'll get to things eventually; but, a lot of subplots and ideas get left on the table when JMS departs the series; I'll try to note some things he seemed to imply were coming down the road and what got played out, in some fashion.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 20, 2019 15:00:19 GMT -5
ps, for those keeping track about the nudity in the book, Joe Ledger is seen with the partial indication of his tackle, if not a Watchmen full frontal shot.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 20, 2019 16:08:46 GMT -5
Supreme Power #7You should have seen the one that got away! Also about the only angle of the character that would fly, for a cover. Creative Team: Nothing new to report Synopsis: We open with an apartment building on fire and Hyperion comes to the rescue. he uses his vision powers to locate endangered people, then flies at great speed in and out of the building, which then collapses. he is spotted bringing a child to a nearby basketball court, where all of the rescued people are gathered. It is caught on camera, which we then see being viewed by the military people in charge of Project: Hyperion. A new spook, Bryce, is berating them for wasting money on a public spectacle, rather than using Hyperion as an ultimate weapon of deterrence (read conquest). Gen Casey argues that too many reporters were sniffing the story and they had to go public, which gets the response that they should have considered liquidation, before public exposure (after bribery or intimidation, of course). He then says the NSA is running things now and suggests that Casey and the others look towards their retirement. It's not explicitly stated; but, this appears to be the change over to the Bush Jr Administration. (More below) While the press is recording their news pieces, an Asian man shakes Mark's hand, thanking him for his efforts and slips him a note. Meanwhile, out at sea, a scuba diver comes across a strange new aquatic lifeform; a hybrid of human and fish, and the creature (obviously female) is curious and tries to communicate with the diver, who flees in terror, severing her airline on some coral. the creature saves her and brings her onto the dive boat, where the diver's male partner has been resetting a camera. he see the creature with the unconscious woman in its arms and inadvertently snaps a shot, before diving for a spear gun, which wounds and angers the creature. The boat is destroyed and the camera dropped in the water. Meanwhile, the not given to Mark features latitude and longitude co-ordinates and a time for a meeting. the location is in China and Hyperion arrives to meet with his mysterious audience... The Chinese official gives Mark some food for thought, such as how unexplained incidents are occuring around the globe, vital to American interests, while Hyperion is on public display elsewhere. he suggests to Mark that he is being used as cover for someone else's activities and suggests, subtly, that Mark might want to look into and decide if he serves the world's interests or one nation's. Mark is observed in China and Bryce berates him for crossing into their airspace and going without orders. mark makes it very clear who gives him his orders... As the Brit's say, it's brown trouser time! We next see Mark listening to conservative talk radio and he calls the host to ask about potential threats to American interests and follows up on the host's suggestions. He observes strange light in Germany, Bolivia, and Somalia, all places the host noted. He tracks the light source down, over a desert and flies at top speed to intercept, leading to a confrontation... Thoughts: Looks like that fight I was expecting, last issue. First, we see what happened to the child that was let loose in the ocean, as we see the adult it became, a hybrid of human and sea life. The creature is blue, with orange/yellow spots of color, fins and other picene details, though with definite mammary glands, as it has no clothing. It makes a sort of trilling noise, in attempting to verbally communicate. We see that it is curious and peaceful, until attacked. Then, it turns deadly. This is our Amphibian. Mark has been playing Superman; but, we see a new administration (I believe) is in charge and they want to use Mark in a more aggressive manner. The interaction between Bryce and Gen Casey is consistent with descriptions of the George W Bush Administration, when it took office, based on Richard Clarke's book, Against All Enemies. Clarke was the Counter-Terrorism Czar and had been an appointee of Ronald Reagan, serving in intelligence and security positions from his administration, up through George HW Bush and Bill Clinton. He and his people were heavily focused on the potential threat from Al-Qaeda, and tried to brief incoming Bush officials on the perceived threats and operations, but they ignored the reports and continually focused on Iraq, despite little or no action from Iraq, since the botched assassination attempt of former Pres Bush, in Saudi Arabia (the would-be assassins were caught before their operation got to a threat stage) and the subsequent US reprisals (missile strike on the Iraqi intelligence HQ). Per his book, the W administration was spoiling for a fight with iraq and was ignoring the real threat of Al-Qaeda, until the 9/11 attacks. The interplay between Bryce and Casey shows Bryce, in his arrogance, ignoring the information and advice from Casey, wanting his weapon, not a PR sideshow. That segues into reports of Joe Ledgers' activities, covertly, using the power prism. Mark's meeting with the Chinese official (high ranking, though unnamed; probably involved in intelligence) opens his eyes to ledgers covert activities and that Mark is being used to quell international response to these activities. The question becomes, what is the Chinese official's motive? On the surface, it seems that he wants to make Mark a true force for the world and open his eyes to a perspective beyond his patriotic indoctrination. However, it would be in China's interests for the superhuman weapons of mass destruction to be neutralized and by sending Hyperion to confront Ledger, he is killing two birds with one stone. If one survives, the other is eliminated, or, both might perish. The man is a chess player, which suggests strategies and counter-strategies, played well ahead of the current moves. The talk radio host looks rather like a caricature of Peter David, who Gary Frank worked with, on the Hulk. This is similar to his appearance, in the 90s and Todd McFarlane's caricature, prior to their infamous debate... I have to think this was an in-joke, from Frank, especially with the FF t-shirt. It's even more a gag, as David is politically liberal (based on comments in his But I Digress column and elsewhere). Lots of twists and turns going on here, as we begin to see the rising conflict stage. JMS has used subtle political moves in his writing, on Babylon 5, as he has characters use subtle ploys to manipulate situations and responses. The Chinese official reminds one of Mr Morden, the agent of the Shadows, in B5. he seeks out the various ambassadors and asks what they want, seeking to determine whose desires and goals are in line with the agenda of the Shadows. Londo proves perfectly matched and they help him retrieve a lost centauri artefact, which puts Londo in a position of esteem with important political factions. They also arrange to take care of some minor irritations, as a sign of good faith, which raises Londo's profile, further. they push him into conservative circles, who seek to replace the current Emperor, with someone of a more receptive outlook. This leads to Londo's indirect complicancy with a murder plot and then the launching of a new war against the Narn. Londo finds that his choices have led him down a path from which he can't return. The Chinese official is playing with Mark's head, sowing the seeds of discontent with the US government, making him distrust them more than he already does. This removes him as a directed threat and also brings him within their sphere of influence. The official may be trying to become a surrogate father to Mark, in guiding him into larger global politics. The question is, can Mark recognize the Chinese self-interests? Gary Frank continues to feature female characters nude. Joe Ledger was nude in the previous issue; but, either he or Marvel (or both)was squeamish about fully illustrating his penis. No such hesitation has been shown, with th women. This also reflects the"boys' club" nature of American comics, as they are the biggest share of the audience and have been the focus since the mid-70s. Young women have grown substantially as an audience; but, manga still holds a disproportionately higher female audience than American comics. Marvel has done more in recent years to court that audience; but, wasn't exactly trying very hard in the early 00s (nor was DC). Even so, male genitalia still seems to be where a line is drawn (or not drawn, in this instance), rather like the MPAA restrictions, relating to nudity 9or rather, how they are applied).
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Post by rberman on Mar 20, 2019 18:05:49 GMT -5
Supreme Power #7 My Two Cents: Amphibian gets her focus issue. Her character slot may belong to Aquaman, but she’s closer to Marrina from John Byrne’s Alpha Flight, an alien ovum, part of an invasion barrage, imprinted upon a human and then growing up as a feral child of two worlds, nurture struggling against nature. This will be Mark Milton’s story as well, minus the aquatic aspect. Mr. Morden (not Morder) on Babylon 5 gets his name from sort of a cross between "Mordred" (the Arthurian villain) and "mordant" or "mortem" or other words related to death.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 20, 2019 18:48:28 GMT -5
Supreme Power #7 My Two Cents: Amphibian gets her focus issue. Her character slot may belong to Aquaman, but she’s closer to Mera from John Byrne’s Alpha Flight, an alien ovum, part of an invasion barrage, imprinted upon a human and then growing up as a feral child of two worlds, nurture struggling against nature. This will be Mark Milton’s story as well, minus the aquatic aspect. Mr. Morden (not Morder) on Babylon 5 gets his name from sort of a cross between "Mordred" (the Arthurian villain) and "mordant" or "mortem" or other words related to death. Typo, since corrected. I know my Babylon 5 characters. This is what happens when you have to do an inventory at 8 am, after closing the night before, at 10 pm, and not getting to bed until around 2 am (because you close every night you work), then try to write coherent sentences, after spending 5 hours scanning barcodes and typing quantities.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 21, 2019 19:15:03 GMT -5
Supreme Power #8Creative Team: No changes. Synopsis: Joe Ledger and Hyperion have now met, and Ledger isn't there to talk... He hits Hyperion with his power; but, it doesn't have the intended effect... Ledger ups the power and we see an umbrella of energy expanding outward across Africa. Hyperion emerges unscathed and it is his turn. There is a tremendous clash of energy, as hyperion uses his flash vision, which Ledger blocks with the crystal. Hyperion questions where the crystal came from, who ledger works for, then he has the recurring images of being put in the pod, the ship singing to him, and Ledger uses the confusion to knock Hyperion aside and escape. Hyperion sees the collateral damage they have caused , as Hyperion surveys dead elephants, burnt trees and scarred landscape. We cut to a confessional and then see the father's next confession, as Mark asks the father to listen to him, despite not being Catholic. he speaks of the lies he has been told, how he can tell from their heartbeats. He speaks of trying to be what they want, to do good, then the images in his mind of tearing out their hearts for their lies. He speaks of horrible acts. The priest tells him that his anger is in avoiding the truth, by not asking the questions and seeking out the answers. He sets Mark on the path to find those answers, and Mark disappears. We last see him take to the skies and get reports that he is headed towards Gen. Casey. Thoughts: Our first confrontation ends inconclusively, though with devastating results to those around (plant an animal life). We get a sense of the power between the two. We also revisit the images of Hyperion being placed inside the pod and memories of the ship singing. This is an element used in Babylon 5, as the ships of the Vorlon are organic and react to outsiders, dangerously if perceived a threat, as some will discover, and in unusual ways, for those who are not. In the episode "Hunter,Prey" the former presidential physician is on the run from Earthforce and the Nightwatch. He has knowledge that Pres. Clarke faked the medical reason for then-Vice President Clarke to leave Earthforce One, prior to the explosion that killed Pres. Santiago. Clarke wants him silenced, before his complicity in the assassination is know. The doctor ends up on Babylon 5, eventually reaching Franklin and the rest of the command staff. They hide the doctor, with Kosh's consent, onboard his ship, while the station is scanned by security forces. The scans are unable to penetrate the Vorlon ship. After, the doctor is brought out of the ship and remarks that it sang to him. This issue again draws comparison with Miracleman. The confrontation between Hyperion and Dr Spectrum brings to mind the initial clash between Miracleman and the adult Johnny Bates. The clash affects those around and the power is incredible. That one is quickly ended, when Johnny says his change word, without realizing the consequences, revealing that the real Johnny, nt Kid Miracleman, is still a little boy, having been trapped for years in "underspace." Here, the distraction of the memories allows Ledger to escape. Hyperion's talk with the priest recalls Miracleman's talks with Liz, Cream, and the young boy he encounters;and, later, Miraclewoman. When Hyperion flies after the truth behind his arrival, the last [page has dialogue, reporting that he is approaching, bringing to mind when Miracleman heads for the Project Zarathustra bunker and finds the recordings of Emil Gargunza and the truth of his memories. He shrugs off greater and greater defenses, on the path to the truth, then destroys the place, after. He even brushes off a superhuman, created as a byproduct of the research that led to his creation, Big Ben. Hyperion is on a path to confront the military men who lied to him, just as Miracleman did.
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Post by rberman on Mar 21, 2019 20:58:01 GMT -5
Supreme Power #8
My Two Cents: Finally the big Hyperion/Spectrum battle we’ve been waiting for, and Gary Frank gives us plenty of eye candy to make it worth our while. JMS also gives us another in his series of sympathetic Catholic priests as Mark seeks counsel from a wise stranger.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 22, 2019 23:31:05 GMT -5
Supreme Power #9I'm pretty certain that F-bombs would be going off, if that were a photo of a real encounter. Creative Team: JMS-writer, GF-pencils, JS-inks, RW-Letters, CS-colors, NL-edits, JQ-story edits & grand poobah, DB-Exalted high muckety-muck. Synopsis: The superbeing is making his way to a bunker..... Whoops; wrong comic! The story is told in flashback, as a general wakes Pres. GW Bush and lets him know that the defecation hit the oscillator. Hyperion is making his way to the command/research center for Project Hyperion and the taxpayers are going to have a lot of bills to foot. The head scientist briefs the weaselly little SOB Bryce about how bad it could potentially be. Using megadeaths as an expression, Hyperion, initially, could bring 2,000 deaths per hour, in any random Eastern seaboard city. As he moves into denser ares, this doubles and triples and with collateral disasters, ups to 2500 per hour, or 1 million every 16.2 days. Bryce dyes his underwear brown. Gen Casey lays out the scenario... he then sends the civilians away, except bryce and heads deeper into the bunker, where he locks Bryce in a closet, activates some kind of arming mechanism and picks up a deadman's switch. He then waits. Hyperion wades through soldiers and armor, like he is swatting away gnats, even though he could fly past them. He gets inside and rapidly scans records, finds the pod, then traces Casey. Casey then flashes back to a discussion with the scientist, about how they could stop Hyperion, down the line (as they look at the newly found infant Mark) Casey detonates the weapon. Meanwhile, Joe Ledger is unconscious, protected by the prism, under the see, where the creature has found him. Thoughts: Miracleman. Same basic deal. Now, JMS has you thinking nuke, until we get the flashback to the talk of the Daisycutters. Like I mentioned previously, when talking about Hyperion and the Gulf War, the BLU-82 "daisycutter" is a real weapon. It was developed during Vietnam as a means of creating instant landing zones, in the jungle, cause massive damage to hardened sites, and for psychological warfare. 11 were used during the Persiona Gulg War, with the story of the SAS asking their superiors if the US just nuked Iraq (as reported in Newsweek 6/16/91). The scientist theorizes that the pressure wave could seriously hurt Hyperion and that linking multiples could kill him. He recommends 20 and something to lure him to ground zero, which is Gen casey. We end with the detonation. However, since we start with the after-briefing of the president, we know that it killed the soldiers above ground, as well. We don't know about Hyperion. The revelation comes that he has been holding back and satellite footage of the battle with Ledger reveals that he is capable of flight speeds several times what they thought was his maximum (which was around Mach 7. His strength had been measured in pounds and tons; but, they realize it is on the Richter Scale, as in tectonic plate movement. JMS really conveys a sense of power here. As the scientist describes the level of potential damage that Hyperion could cause, Gary Frank ads the visuals, including this map, with a devastation progression, across the US... This is all before Hyperion wades through artillery, small arms, and armor plate, steel, and reinforced concrete. In telling Bryce how royally screwed he is, Gen Casey quotes a lyric from a gospel song, "There's No Hiding Place Down here." JMS previously used this on Babylon 5, from the 3rd Season episode, "And the Rock Cried Out No Hiding Place..." where the climax of the episode features Lord Refa, the architect of the assassination of Centauri Prime minister, as the Emperor lay dying on B5 and murderer of Londo's lover (via Shadow manipulation) is cornered by G'Kar and a group of Narns, thanks to Londo's intel and a deal brokered. the scene of the Narns attacking Refa is juxtaposed with a spiritual service on B5, as an African-American minister delivers a sermon of hope and the choir sings the old spiritual. The issue builds nicely as, JMS first gives us a sense how powerful Hyperion really is, then has Bryce doing a commercial for Depends, has Ledger definitely out of the picture, then shows the discussion about what could kill Hyperion, when he was a baby. Casey has no compunctions about killing Hyperion, at any stage, as he doesn't view him as human and even speaks of killing the infant, referring to napalm scarred children in Vietnam, an image that shocked the nation, when we saw the human cost of that war, across the globe. Here's the thing though, what comes next? If this doesn't stop Hyperion, what could? And how pissed will he be after? If he is killed (he stars in the book, how likely is that), what about Ledger and Blur, not to mention Nighthawk? And, we still haven't see the owner of the hand, in the temple, emerge yet.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 22, 2019 23:35:32 GMT -5
ps JMS is off a bit on his history. The scientist, in discussing the BLU-82, says they are newly developed. Mark was found during the Carter Administration, which took office in January, 1977. The BLU=82 was first deployed in March, 1970. So, it had been around a while. It wasn't exactly broadcast, until after the Gulf War; , so JMS might not have done enough research on them (or had a bad source).
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Post by chaykinstevens on Mar 23, 2019 17:10:42 GMT -5
Her character slot may belong to Aquaman, but she’s closer to Mera from John Byrne’s Alpha Flight, an alien ovum, part of an invasion barrage, imprinted upon a human and then growing up as a feral child of two worlds, nurture struggling against nature. I think you mean Marrina.
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Post by rberman on Mar 23, 2019 18:04:06 GMT -5
Her character slot may belong to Aquaman, but she’s closer to Mera from John Byrne’s Alpha Flight, an alien ovum, part of an invasion barrage, imprinted upon a human and then growing up as a feral child of two worlds, nurture struggling against nature. I think you mean Marrina. Errr... Yes, yes, I do!
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 23, 2019 20:30:48 GMT -5
Supreme Power #10Creative Team: John Barber joins as asst. editor. Synopsis: Helicopters are checking out the blast area, after Hyperion was blown up with a chain of 20 BLU-82 Daisycutters... Geez, nothing could survive that... Mark fries some wolves and we cut to the Mediterranean island, and the offerings of food, in the present day.The older man (formerly the boy we saw earlier on, is having a snack, since he doesn't believe anyone but rats get the food, when he hears to voices again, and they are connected to a rather emaciated and nasty looking body. Grandma and the little boy hear a scream and grandma tells the kid to scoot. Then the princess finally shows up, buck nekkid; but a lot healthier than on the previous page. And I mean healthier! Grandma reminds her of her name, Zarda, then the princess sees a grey hair. She zaps grandma with her purple vision 9much like hyperion) and the grey hair is gone. So is grandma. That's a pretty extreme beauty treatment there, toots! Zarda goes skinny flying and we cut to Joe Ledger, on the ocean floor, with light refracted around him. He finally meets the Amphibian creature, who speaks to him telepathically. Ledger leaves and the creature curls up in a fetal position, where Ledger had lain, which morphs into the crater where Hyperion lies, not looking to goo. Then, naked Zarda turns up and takes Hyperion in hand... She feeds him energy, restoring his body to its perfect self, his alien jewels covered by a cloak, while Zarda flashes the Earth. Thoughts: This issue looks like a really weird issue of Penthouse or something. There are naked people everywhere, though Zarda gets the lion's share. She'd make Helen Mirren blush (and she did Caligula and The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and her Lover). Hyperion ends up starkers; but, conveniently covered, so we don't know if he lives up to the promise of the Max line. So, Zarda has entered the picture and she appears to be pretty old; but, able to drain the lifeforce from others and transfer it to herself and Hyperion. The purple eye thing says they are related; though she appears to be ancient and he arrive in the late 70s. What up wit'dat? Next issue. So, hyperion proved the scientist wrong again, though he isn't in good shape. We won't know if he would have healed on his own, since Zarda turned up. Not much to really analyze, beyond that, other than Zarda goes from extremely anorexic to goddess in two pages.
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Post by rberman on Mar 23, 2019 21:16:20 GMT -5
Supreme Power #10
My Two Cents: JMS gives nice parallelism between the two tales in Ladies’ Night. Zarda tends injured Hyperion while Amphibian tends wounded Spectrum. Except that Zarda is a succubus, so this isn’t going to end well. JMS also makes the interesting choice of not letting us “hear” Amphibian’s telepathic communication with Spectrum, so we only get his side of the conversation. I didn't have anything to add about issue #9; you covered everything I thought of, and more. I haven't read Miracleman, so I was unaware how closely JMS was repeating its beats.
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