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Post by Reptisaurus! on Mar 3, 2019 2:01:54 GMT -5
Okay, this is definitly my favorite thread of the moment.
Hmmm...
Actually, this might be my favorite thread ever.
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Post by Crimebuster on Mar 4, 2019 0:02:56 GMT -5
Okay, this is definitly my favorite thread of the moment. Hmmm... Actually, this might be my favorite thread ever. Thanks! Glad you are enjoying it. I'm certainly finding these issues very interesting to read!
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Post by Crimebuster on Mar 4, 2019 0:15:14 GMT -5
Love Diary #53 was released in December, 1967. Fast forward nearly four years, and we get Love Diary #75, released in September, 1971 - featuring the exact same plot. The girl and her beau have made promises to each other. But while he is away in Vietnam, she and his best friend start spending a lot of time together. Things get romantic, but they are both racked with guilt. Suddenly, without warning, the fiance returns from Vietnam on leave! Much to everyone's shock, he turns out to be a gigantic dilweed. He tells her that getting engaged was a dumb mistake, and he just freaked out before going to war.Bbut he has since realized that he doesn't love her. She asks him why he kept writing her love letters the whole time, and he's like, "because it was funny and I was bored! Now give me the engagement ring back!" Because of course, he's met some other victim girl. I mean, complete, utter jerk. However, rather than being upset by this horrible treatment, she's overjoyed, because it means she can be with the best friend without any guilt. The two of them have a celebratory makeout session. Everybody in these stories comes off badly. In this case, the soldier actually comes off even worse than in the last issue, because here he's straight up screwing with her feelings for sport, whereas in the previous issue, they just grew apart. Still, everyone's cheating on everybody behind everybody's back, and the only saving grace at the end is that since everyone is bad, there's no real losers. It's kind of like a romance comic version of Seinfeld. It's interesting to contrast these two issues with the three stories about the soldier dying. Those had a message about Vietnam and war in general, even though in some instances it was a problematic one. These, though... I'm not sure there is any message. What strikes me with these is that Vietnam and the specter of war is used not to say anything, but simply as a plot device, a setting within which to stage the story. Nothing about either story is unique to the war; it's simply a convenient excuse to have the man away from home to the story of cheating can occur. I don't want to say it's exactly offensive to simply use the war as a convenient but meaningless plot device, but it is a bit... opportunistic I guess is the best word I can think of. I also wanted to note the flavor text on the cover. We saw before that Secret Romance #1 and Time for Love #16 shared nearly identical captions on the cover in addition to similar plots, leading me to suspect they were redoing their own story. Here, I think it's even more blatant, as "Unfaithful Heart" from the cover of #53 has become "Unfaithful Forever" here on the cover of #75. Next time, I'll be looking at a different type of story - one where a injured vet falls for a caregiver who teaches him to live again. Featuring one of the greatest romance covers of all time to boot!
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Post by foxley on Mar 4, 2019 2:18:05 GMT -5
This is fascinating. I shall definitely be reading with interest.
I may not be contributing much, as my knowledge of romance does not extend much beyond the occasional hilarious (and probably unintended) innuendo on covers. But don't take lack of response as lack of interest.
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Post by Confessor on Mar 4, 2019 4:50:05 GMT -5
In this case, the soldier actually comes off even worse than in the last issue, because here he's straight up screwing with her feelings for sport... Highlighting the de-humanising and empathy eroding effects of the war on the soldiers who fought it? I mean, probably not, I guess. More likely just formulaic genre writing, but soldiers coming back from war as changed men who are colder and more cruel than they were before they went is not unheard of and isn't particular to Vietnam vets either.
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Post by Crimebuster on Mar 4, 2019 9:43:38 GMT -5
In this case, the soldier actually comes off even worse than in the last issue, because here he's straight up screwing with her feelings for sport... Highlighting the de-humanising and empathy eroding effects of the war on the soldiers who fought it? I mean, probably not, I guess. More likely just formulaic genre writing, but soldiers coming back from war as changed men who are colder and more cruel than they were before they went is not unheard of and isn't particular to Vietnam vets either. I'd like to say this is what they were going for, but I don't think it was. The guy just seems to be a donkey butt.
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Post by MDG on Mar 4, 2019 12:59:15 GMT -5
It might be interesting to find out if any of these stories were retreads of WWII or (more likely) Korean War stories.
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Post by Crimebuster on Mar 4, 2019 13:08:11 GMT -5
This is one of the comics that really made me fall in love with the romance genre to begin with, no pun intended. I saw this incredible cover and I knew I had to own it. Someone asked me recently why I read romance comics. The answer I gave is that, when the stories are good, they're romantic and even moving. And when they're bad, they're often hilariously campy. Either way, they are almost always entertaining (well, almost - some SA DC in particular get very formulaic). And sometimes, the stories are both at the same time. Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Young Love #104: This is the first of the issues I've looked at where the Vietnam aspect of the story isn't highlighted on the cover. And with a release date of March 15, 1973, it's also the latest of them (so far). The timing is interesting. The U.S. signed the Paris Peace Accords in January, 1973, which stipulated a withdrawal of American troops within 60 days. This withdrawal was completed in March, 1973, the same time this issue came out. The story inside is the third story archetype I've identified, which is a wounded vet falls in love with a caretaker who nurses him back to health and helps him love again. It's also an example of another overlapping story type which would go on to become a cliche across all media in the 70's and 80's, as it's about a vet suffering from PTSD. From John Rambo to Vega$ to The A-Team to Spencer: For Hire and Magnum P.I>, American TV and movies were full of emotionally affected Vietnam vets. Though this was maybe more common in action settings, as it also gave a good reason for them to have a particular set of skills, it carried over into all sorts of other genres, including romance comics here. The story: Lee is a Vietnam vet who tries to drown his problems in a sea of female flesh. But these encounters only leave him even colder inside. He heads to a countryside lodge and meets a woman who captures his imagination. Despite his best efforts, though, she doesn't seem into him. Finally, after a few encounters, he almost drowns in the lake while trying to swim to her. She rescues him from the seaweed, saving his life. He thinks this is a sign they should be together, but she sees it as something else - a sign from god! That's because she's a nun! She was doubting her calling, though, and was at the lodge taking a break to decide whether to go through with her vows. Her answered prayer at being able to save him, though, convinces her to take the cloth for good. She leaves him in the capable hands of the lodge receptionist, who has been throwing herself at the distracted Lee for the whole issue. THE END! This story is unusual for a few reasons, and not just because it's about a nun. First, it's a full length story, instead of a short 5-8 pager like the others. Second, it's told from the man's point of view instead of the woman's. Usually these stories are about how the women want and need love and connection, but here, Sister Teresa is looking for a connection to god, and it's Lee who needs the emotional love connection. This is by Robert Kanigher, and he establishes right on the first page that Lee's emotional problems stem from his time in Vietnam, with artist John Rosenberger even comparing the physicality of war and romance in the opening sequence: Despite the campy cover and some lurid scenes - like a guy attacking the nun in the woods with a knife - this is actually a pretty interesting (and early) portrayal of Vietnam vets struggling to acclimate to civilian life on their return. Kanigher, of course, spent many years writing war books for DC, including the great Sgt. Rock series, as well as Enemy Ace, The Losers, Unknown Soldier, and Haunted Tank. Those, for me, are his best work, and in his best stories he frequently examines the human cost of war. So in that sense, it's not unusual for him to write this type of story; but for a romance comic, it's definitely a different sort of thing. This is a good one! The folks at Sequential Crush have written up a longer examination of this one if you're interested; I borrowed a couple of their scans, as I don't currently have access to my copy of this issue. Next time, we'll take a look at another story that deals with vets and PTSD, but in a different, and much more meta way, because even by 1977, it had already become a bit of a storytelling cliche.
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Post by MDG on Mar 4, 2019 13:16:19 GMT -5
This is by Robert Kanigher,... I always have trouble reconciling the Kanigher who does things like this or Enemy Ace with the Kanigher whose stories almost seem to have outright contempt for his audience (Wonder Woman, etc.)
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Post by rberman on Mar 4, 2019 13:20:48 GMT -5
It might be interesting to find out if any of these stories were retreads of WWII or (more likely) Korean War stories. Or even older. There are plenty of impressment songs from the Age of Sail. The man has been drafted into naval service (or kidnapped off to the Crimean Front) by a "press gang" remunerated based on how many warm bodies it can round up. He'll be gone for months, years, or forever, likely with no news sent home should he die. Or perhaps he's volunteered on a commercial vessel of uncertain prospects. Will his woman wait around until he returns? Judy Collins wrote and recorded one example of this sort of tale in 1965: The novel and film Barry Lyndon show the social-climbing protagonist shacking up for a time with a woman whose husband was away at war. The recent hit Broadway musical Hamilton also has a plot point about Aaron Burr's affair with Theodosia Prevost while her husband, a British officer, was off fighting the colonists.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Mar 4, 2019 13:34:04 GMT -5
This is a good one! The folks at Sequential Crush have written up a longer examination of this one if you're interested; I borrowed a couple of their scans, as I don't currently have access to my copy of this issue. "Folks?" As far as I know, everything at Sequential Crush is done exclusively by its proprietor, Jacque Nodell.
This is indeed an interesting story; as I commented at Jacque's post 8 (!) years ago, it kind of has a refreshing twist, in that the woman who's about to take her vows doesn't forsake her chosen path to throw herself into a lovesick man's arms.
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Post by Rob Allen on Mar 4, 2019 17:58:08 GMT -5
Charlton didn't credit its writers until later (maybe never in the romance books) but the odds are good that some or all of the Charlton stories mentioned were written by Joe Gill. He was on staff at Charlton, writing scripts all day every day for decades.
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Post by rberman on Mar 4, 2019 18:10:17 GMT -5
Duh, it just occurred to me that the oldest version of this story is Homer's Odyssey, in which Odysseus' return home from the Trojan War is delayed when he shacks up with Calypso on her island, and meanwhile his wife back home is faithfully saying no to a whole houseful of suitors. When he gets home, he has the gall to test her faithfulness by pretending to be someone else!
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Post by Confessor on Mar 4, 2019 18:21:36 GMT -5
Judy Collins wrote and recorded one example of this sort of tale in 1965 Minor correction: Judy Collins did not write "Early, Early in the Spring". It's a traditional English folk ballad that dates from the mid-to-late 17th Century, almost 300 years before Collins was born.
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Post by rberman on Mar 4, 2019 18:58:57 GMT -5
Judy Collins wrote and recorded one example of this sort of tale in 1965 Minor correction: Judy Collins did not write "Early, Early in the Spring". It's a traditional English folk ballad that dates from the mid-to-late 17th Century, almost 300 years before Collins was born. OK. My source credited her as the writer, and she did write some of her own material. I didn't look further to see whether this was wholly original, or (as Dylan often did, and others followed) her adaptation of traditional material, or (as the case seems to be) simply the internet being wrong again.
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