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Post by rberman on Apr 27, 2019 19:43:57 GMT -5
Everybody knows the basics, right? Jack Kirby got tired of Stan Lee getting more of the credit and money from their partnership, and when Marvel's new owners took Kirby for granted, he decamped to DC Comics. Carmine Infantino let him have three new interconnected titles to explore a new mythology but also required him to take over an existing title of his choice. Not wanting to put anyone out of work, Kirby selected Superman’s Pal Jimmy Olsen, which had no regular creative team to displace. Olsen was a monthly, while one of the other three titles came out every three weeks in a rotating cycle, and Kirby was allowed to be his own editor – but not to be his own artist entirely, as Al Plastino and Murphy Anderson redrew his angular versions of Superman and Jimmy Olsen to stay “on model” with the work on other Superman titles. We’ll be looking at the whole shebang of one of DC’s most influential series. Note: Codystarbuck also has a thread with selected Fourth World issue reviews here. Index of stories and new ideasJimmy Olsen #133: Morgan Edge, Wild Area, Habitat, Outsiders, Iron Mask, Vudu, Newsboy Legion, Whiz Wagon (Codystarbuck's review) Jimmy Olsen #134: Zoomway, Mountain of Judgment, Hairies, Darkseid (cameo on vid screen) (Codystarbuck's review) Jimmy Olsen #135: Evil Factory, Mokkari, Simyan, D.N.A. Project, Adult Newsboy Legion, Guardian (Codystarbuck's review) Forever People #1: Super Cycle, Mark Moonrider, Big Bear, Serafin, Black Vykin, Beautiful Dreamer, Darkseid (with cape!), Mother Box, Boom Tube, Inter-Gang, Infinity Man (Codystarbuck's review) New Gods #1: Orion, Lightray, Highfather Izaya, Metron, New Genesis, Apokolips, Source Wall, Anti-Life Equation, Kalibak, Orion’s four human friends (unnamed). Astro-Force. (Codystarbuck's review) Mister Miracle #1: Scott Free, Oberon, Steel Hand (Codystarbuck's review) Jimmy Olsen #136: D.N.Aliens large, medium, and tiny. Scrapper Trooper. Dubbilex. (Codystarbuck's review) Forever People #2: Mantis. Civilians Willie and Donnie. Serafin’s Cosmic Cartridges. Desaad. (Codystarbuck's review) New Gods #2: Claudia Shane, Harvey Lockman, Dave Lincoln, and Victor Lanza get names and become “O’Ryan’s Gang.” (codystarbuck's review) Jimmy Olsen #137: Music of the Spheres. The Four-Armed Terror “Homo Usurpus.” (Codystarbuck's review) Mister Miracle #2: Granny Goodness. X-Pit. Aero-Discs. Overlord. (Codystarbuck's review) Forever People #3: Glorious Godfrey. Justifiers. (Codystarbuck's review) Jimmy Olsen #138: Terry Dean cameo. Defeat of the Four-armed terrors. Lois Lane #111: Tiny Justice League; Tiny Loises. New Gods #3: Black Racer/Willie Walker. Sugar-Man. (Codystarbuck's review) Jimmy Olsen #139: Goody Rickels. Clark Kent sent to another dimension. (Codystarbuck review) Mister Miracle #3: Doctor Bedlam, Paranoid Pill (Codystarbuck's review) Forever People #4: Happyland. Sonny Sumo (teaser) (Codystarbuck's review) New Gods #4: Deep Six (Slig). Esak. Seagrin. (Codystarbuck's review) Jimmy Olsen #141: Guardian rescues Jimmy and Goody. Metron rescues Clark Kent. Laura Conway, Edge’s secretary. Mister Miracle #4: Big Barda Forever People #5: Sonny Sumo uses Mother Box and the Anti-Life Equation to rescue the heroes (Codystarbuck review) New Gods #5: Giants chained by the Source Wall. Detective Dan “Terrible” Turpin. Orion’s true face. Glory Boat (teaser). Fastbak. Monitors of New Genesis. (Codystarbuck review) Jimmy Olsen #142: Transilvane. Count Dragorin. Lupek. Dabney Donovan (mentioned) (Codystarbuck review) Lois Lane #115: Edge tries to kill Lois with a cursed typewriter. Black Racer appears. Lois Lane #116: Desaad’s Hall of Mirrors Jimmy Olsen #143: Lots of horror monsters. The Demon Dog’s Genocide Spray. (Codystarbuck review) Mister Miracle #5: Doctor Vundabar’s Murder Machine. Hydrik. Metron appears to young Scott Free on Apokolips. (Codystarbuck review) The Forever People #6: The Omega Effect banishes the heroes. Thermo-Bolt machine. New Gods #6: Glory Boat. Deep Six (full team). Lightray comes to Earth. Farley Sheridan and his kids. Jimmy Olsen #144: The Orm of Loch Trevor. Felix and Ginny MacFinney. The San Diego Five String Band. Cavemen beneath Metropolis. Mister Miracle #6: Funky Flashman, Houseroy, Female Furies. Brain Drain food cubes Lois Lane #117-118: Morgan Edge’s clone Jimmy Olsen #145: Brigadoom (The Evil Factory revealed). Angry Charlie. Forever People #7: Sonny Sumo is lost to the past. Alpha Bullets.
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Post by rberman on Apr 27, 2019 19:49:06 GMT -5
Jimmy Olsen #133 “… Brings Back The Newsboy Legion!” (October 1970)The Story: Galaxy Broadcasting boss sends Jimmy Olsen on assignment to a dangerous “Wild Area” populated by feral bikers. First, Olsen goes to a warehouse where he meets the new Newsboy Legion, children of the Golden Age versions of themselves. Edge has somehow funded for them to have a giant, self-driving, souped-up fantasticar, the Whiz Wagon, that can roll, fly, and submerge. Clark Kent gets overly curious about why Olsen was sent on this story instead of him. In response, Edge calls in a hit on Kent! Intergang, a heretofore unknown organized crime outfit, succeeds in running Kent over, but they don’t stop to see that he was unharmed. Coming ashore at the Wild Area, the Newsboys immediately take fire from Iron Mask, who looks like a cross between Kang and Doctor Doom, and his minion Vudu. Olsen is now an action star who grapples and then pummels these hardened road warriors into submission. Having defeated Iron Mask, Olsen is given sole credit (though he had lots of help from the Newsboys) and is accepted as the leader by the rest of the Outsiders biker gang. Superman comes to the Wild Area. Although we’ve been told that no one over age 25 is accepted here, the first person he meets is a meditating man with a white beard, sitting in a nest atop a pole surrounded by annoying smoke. The scene seems inspired by Lewis Carroll’s caterpillar; Superman moves on. Next, Superman is accosted by some hostile survivalists who are quickly cured of their assumption that he’s just some goofus in a Superman costume. Finally, Jimmy and the Outsiders find Superman and tell him to scram. When he refuses, they shoot him with a Kryptonite raygun! Superman awakens, in the company of the Newsboy Legion, in a treetop Habitat far too ambitious to have been built by slacker bikers. Jimmy Olsen and the Outsiders are about to set out on an expedition along a racecourse called the Zoomway to find something called the Mountain of Judgement… My Two Cents: Kirby wastes no time resurrecting legacy characters as well as throwing a whole bunch of new ones at readers, but in an easily intelligible manner, with some great splash pages. The boast “Kirby is HERE!” on the cover is a big deal – not just for DC, stealing the guy who had been so integral in Marvel’s astonishing 1960s success, but for creators in general, who were not accustomed to being a selling point for comic books. Kirby is paving the way that will be followed by superstar creators for the next fifty years, getting top billing over the characters that they write and draw. Up until this point, the usual Jimmy Olsen story was that he gets into trouble and needs rescuing by Superman. Kirby goes the other way; Superman is a nuisance, an obstacle to young people enjoying their youth. He is The Man. The cover declares that Jimmy is now his “Ex-Pal!” Kirby is laying heavily into late 1960s Easy Rider youth culture here. Even Superman is loaded with hippie patois. There’s no discernible reason for bikers to be hanging out in a forest, but that’s the story, so we have to go with it. Flippa Dippa is the black member of the Newsboy Legion. His character trait is that he has a scuba suit, which apparently means he is required to wear it under all circumstances, even when running toward someone who is about to shoot him. Here’s a nice parallel panel, showing Jimmy in the same stance as Morgan Edge during a scene switch. Transitions like this were common in arty movies of the 1960s. There’s also one panel with Superman standing with both forearms tucked behind his back, as Darkseid is often seen to stand. Jack Kirby is under the impression that “heat vision” means “the ability to discern what things look like by the heat signatures left behind long afterwards.”
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Apr 27, 2019 20:21:18 GMT -5
Yay!
Ok, this was the one that was basically a Superman story, right? Like the main character was Superman and the theme was Superman trying to find his place in the world? Or did that come later?
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Post by berkley on Apr 27, 2019 21:08:19 GMT -5
Actually a much more interesting use of "heat vision" than the usual!
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Post by Chris on Apr 27, 2019 23:20:34 GMT -5
Jimmy Olsen #133 “… Brings Back The Newsboy Legion!” (October 1970)Jack Kirby is under the impression that “heat vision” means “the ability to discern what things look like by the heat signatures left behind long afterwards.” E. Nelson Bridwell could have fixed that for him by changing just one word - Then again, I can't really see the freewheeling, fly-by-pants-seat Kirby working too well with the ultra-orderly ENB.
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Post by profh0011 on Apr 27, 2019 23:32:05 GMT -5
Ok, this was the one that was basically a Superman story, right? Like the main character was Superman and the theme was Superman trying to find his place in the world? Or did that come later? FOREVER PEOPLE #1 actually works best if read FIRST, as it takes place before Morgan Edge has bought The Daily Planet, and while Darkseid is seen wearing a cape, something he never did later. I believe it was done first, but the 1st JIMMY OLSEN episode was published first.
Incidentally... the first 6 JIMMY OLSEN episodes form one big story, and Kirby manages, not for the only time, to pace and structure it, NOT like a movie serial, but like a FEATURE FILM. He did the exact same thing with the first several issues of CAPTAIN AMERICA (in 1976), THE ETERNALS, and later, CAPTAIN VICTORY. I tend to think all 6 chapters should be read before moving on to the other books.
When I initially got my hands on most of the Fourth World books (sometime in the early 80s), I was missing the first 2 JIMMY OLSEN episodes, and so never really appreciated how amazing the story was, and the story structure and pacing, until the entire JO run was reprinted in a TPB.
Something else I had no idea of until I read about it years later... DC Comics, which had started as somewhat of an offshoot of organized crime in the late 1930s, had worked diligently to put their crime past behind them... when the company was SOLD in the late 60s to Kinney, a NYC MOB company that specialized in parking lots and trash removal. Kinney also bought the Warner Brothers movie studio, and in a move designed to distance themselves from... THEMSELVES... they changed the name of the parent company from Kinney to... Warner Communications.
I suddenly realized that when Jack Kirby was writing JIMMY OLSEN, he was commenting on this by having Morgan Edge, a VERY shady character, buy out The Daily Planet. Edge owned GBS, but Edge was secretly a member of Inter-Gang, which were secretly Earth agents of Darkseid of Apokalips. One of the first things Edge did was try to have Clark Kent murdered, and Jimmy and the Newsboys as well.
After Kirby left JO, someone in charge at DC must have realized what he was doing... and had the new writer concoct a totally-contrived story in which it was revealed that the evil Edge was a clone imposter who had kidnapped the "real" Edge but failed to murder him as ordered. This is absolutely NOT what Kirby had in mind!
Kirby often modeled characters on real people. In this case, while Darkseid's face was modeled on JACK PALANCE (and his personality on Richard Nixon), Edge's face was based on actor Kevin McCarthy... who, funny enough, played a very similar character years later in the Weird Al Yankovic movie, "UHF".
The utterly outragious "Flippa Dippa" was actually based on a character named "Foxtrot" played by actor Cleavon Little in a 1967 stage play called "SCUBA DUBA". (Honest to God, you can't make up stuff like this!!!)
I've had a lot of fun in recent years learning or figuring out who, what and where Kirby took his inspirations from.
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Post by profh0011 on Apr 27, 2019 23:40:50 GMT -5
"Jimmy joins a BIKER gang" doesn't sound all that different from a ton of Mort Weisinger-era JO stories.
I had a little fun here...
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Post by rberman on Apr 28, 2019 4:38:29 GMT -5
Ok, this was the one that was basically a Superman story, right? Like the main character was Superman and the theme was Superman trying to find his place in the world? Or did that come later? FOREVER PEOPLE #1 actually works best if read FIRST, as it takes place before Morgan Edge has bought The Daily Planet, and while Darkseid is seen wearing a cape, something he never did later. I believe it was done first, but the 1st JIMMY OLSEN episode was published first.
Incidentally... the first 6 JIMMY OLSEN episodes form one big story, and Kirby manages, not for the only time, to pace and structure it, NOT like a movie serial, but like a FEATURE FILM. He did the exact same thing with the first several issues of CAPTAIN AMERICA (in 1976), THE ETERNALS, and later, CAPTAIN VICTORY. I tend to think all 6 chapters should be read before moving on to the other books.
I too was puzzled where Forever People #1 fit into continuity since it can't come right after Jimmy Olsen #135, even though that is when it was published. I see no reason not to put it first. According to Mark Evanier's foreword in the Fourth World Omnibus, Kirby was inspired by two things. One was The Lord of the Rings, which was selling like hotcakes to the genre crowd, despite its length. The other was the observation that people were not treating comic books like the newsprint they were printed on. People were saving their comics, cataloguing them, instead of reading and discarding them. This in part may have been due to the emphasis on continuity in 60s Marvel comics. Putting those two observations together, Kirby hit upon the idea of telling an epic mythology, serialized in comic books that could be reprinted in bound volumes and put on shelves beside Lord of the Rings. Kirby was, in essence, "writing for the trade collection" while still keeping the individual episodes action packed enough and accessible enough to stand alone if need be. The Fourth World became the blueprint for all the crossover events like COIE and the rest going forward.
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Post by rberman on Apr 28, 2019 8:14:35 GMT -5
Yay! Ok, this was the one that was basically a Superman story, right? Like the main character was Superman and the theme was Superman trying to find his place in the world? Or did that come later? That comes in Forever People #1, as we'll soon see.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 28, 2019 11:00:33 GMT -5
What a great idea; I don't know why we haven't covered the 4th World before! The bikers were less a product of cinema and more a product of locality. Kirby's house was near an area that was being used by motorcyclists to tear around and it drove him nuts, with the constant noise. So, he fueled his frustration into the Olsen story. Kirby's original intent for the 4th World was the material that made it into New Gods and Mister Miracle. Jimmy Olsen was sort of forced upon Kirby and he used it to kind of introduce things, but mostly had the adventures revolve around Olsen and the Newsboys, without as much of the 4th World, except for the odd agent of Darkseid. The whole DNA Project reads fine without a connection between Darkseid and Simian and Mokari. I suspect he just decided to use Apokolips as a device to feed opponents into the story. After the earliest issues, though, the series moved more and more away from that. Forever People was more about exploring the youth culture of the time, based on Kirby's interactions with the people who made their pilgrimages to his home, interactions at conventions and his own children and their friends. However, he does get into more of the philosophical realm of the 4th World, when he brings in Desaad and his amusement park and Glorious Godfrey and Anti-Life. My interpretation is that element of the work was a later addition, which emerged after he had conceived the basic stuff, as his character designs were all for New Gods and Mr Miracle.
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Post by profh0011 on Apr 28, 2019 16:09:09 GMT -5
People were saving their comics, cataloguing them, instead of reading and discarding them. This in part may have been due to the emphasis on continuity in 60s Marvel comics. This was already NOT the first time Kirby had done this, either!
The "HYDRA" epic, for several months during the middle of the trilogy (as I view it) expanded across multiple series and books simultaneously. While Nick Fury & SHIELD fought Mentallo (a rogue SHIELD agent) and The Fixer (who had many of his bigger weapons supplied by "Them"), and then Advanced Idea Mechanics (who tried to pass themselves off as a legit high-tech weapons company, hoping to replace both Tony Stark and Fury), Captain America had fought Batroc (a mercenary hired by "Them"), an android grown by "Them" (in a fashion NEARLY-identical to "The Evil Factory" later seen in JIMMY OLSEN), The Red Skull (who was found and revived from suspended animation by A.I.M.'s "Grand Imperetor") who stole The Cosmic Cube (a device created by A.I.M.), and then The Super-Adaptoid (another A.I.M. android).
Tony Stark, due to a communications break-down with a Senate Investigation Committee (while he was in Red China fighting for his life) returned home to find his factory SHUT down by the government, which was exactly what opened the door for A.I.M. to try to move in, and along the way, attempt to have Fury removed from command (or murdered, or both).
And while this was going on, The Hulk (and General Ross) were having problems with Boomerang, another mercencary hired by some outfit calling themselves "The Secret Empire", whose ruling council were being bumped off one by one by one of their own members... who turned out to be the missing Gabe Jones on secret undercover assignment. "Number One", while trying to get back at The Hulk, tried to use an amnesiac Sub-Mariner to do his bidding, but accidentally blew himself to atoms.
On conferring, Fury, Dugan & Jones figured out that both A.I.M. and The Secret Empire were BRANCHES of "Them"... and that "Them" was just a code-word for HYDRA, who were now under command of their REAL Number One, who months later turned out to be one of Fury's arch-enemies from WORLD WAR 2.
All this going on AT ONCE, all the brainchild of ONE man.... Jack Kirby. (I'm convinced Kirby told Steranko who Hydra Number One was before he left, so Steranko could finish off Kirby's 2-year-long epic properly. It's like a new director coming in to do the last hour of a 6-hour movie. How could he get it wrong? HE DIDN'T! it was only when Steranko began his own new story after that, that (mostly due to editorial interference) things started to go astray and make no sense in spots.
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Post by profh0011 on Apr 28, 2019 16:24:38 GMT -5
Another funny thing... MUCH of The Fourth World was conceived by Kirby around 1967. He had hoped to get a contract guaranteeing him credit & pay for his writing, and use all these new concepts as a bargaining tool. But when Martin Goodman sold the company to Perfect Film, they insisted Goodman's editor be part of the deal... and NOT the guy actually creating all the characters and stories they were buying. When Perfect Film found out there were NO written contracts of any kind... they freaked out, and the result was, Goodman & his editor spent the next 3 solid years trying to "run Kirby off" (make him QUIT) in fear that he might try to SUE them for ownership of what, by rights, was HIS. The whole "hippie" / youth culture thing really hit big during 1967 and its "summer of love", so I have no doubt that's where the inspiration for THE FOREVER PEOPLE came from. But something else crossed my mind... and it was viewing the whole Fourth World from the possibility of how things might have gone had Kirby gotten his contract, and happily continued working for Marvel's new owners!!! Picture THIS... Jimmy Olsen -- Peter Parker The Newsboy Legion -- The Fantastic Four The Whiz Wagon -- The Fantastic-Car Superman -- Thor The Evil Factory -- A.I.M.'s Android Farm It becomes so easy for me to envision the entire first 6-part JIMMY OLSEN story, instead, as a 6-part 3-way crossover in AMAZING SPIDER-MAN, FANTASTIC FOUR and THOR, to introduce the new characters & concepts for NEW GODS and FOREVER PEOPLE.
Morgan Edge might have bought The Daily Bugle instead of The Daily Planet.
Incidentally, it was MISTER MIRACLE that was originally conceived as being a totally-independant series, with the Fourth World elements being tacked on by the time Kirby got started actually doing it. If you look at the later issues... after Scott & Barda return to Apokalips to fight for the right to their freedom, you can see more of how the book was probably meant to be in the first place. Oddly enough, the first issue after that story, where Scott & Barda run across yet another spy outfit with world-conquering ambitions, was no doubt meant to be another branch of Hydra... and the egotistical, woman-crazy secret agent they cross paths with along the way, reminds me not so much of Ralph Meeker, as he does Dean Martin's version of " Matt Helm".
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 28, 2019 21:41:41 GMT -5
Only problem with that is that Jimmy Olsen or an equivalent wasn't part of the plan. Carmine wanted Kirby to work on one regular DC title, besides the new stuff he brought. That was Jimmy Olsen, since it didn't have a regular team on it. Kirby brought the Newsboy Legion into it, since that was one of his creations and decided to do the whole sci-fi riff, ala the FF and the Challengers of the Unknown, who had preceded the FF. Prior to that Kirby had had the Boy Explorers, Boy's Ranch, and his other Golden Age kid gangs (Boy Commandos).
The 4th World was supposed to spin out of Ragnarok, in Thor, as that is the event that spawns New Genesis and Apokolips. As it was, the later Eternals picks up some of the threads from the 4th World, before that turns sour and then Captain Victory kind of follows through on the themes.
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Post by rberman on Apr 28, 2019 22:10:33 GMT -5
Jimmy Olsen #134 “The Mountain of Judgement!” (November 1970)The Story: Superman tries to stop Jimmy from leading the Outsiders on a race down the Zoomway to find the Mountain of Judgment. An Outsider again shoots Superman with Kryptonite; Jimmy takes it in stride. You’d think mind control must be involved, but nope; Jimmy is just that disinterested in the well-being and counsel of the dude who saved his life 132 times before Kirby got here. The Zoomway turns out to be something of a motorized obstacle course with fake paper walls, falling rocks, chasms to be jumped, and even an underwater segment which all the bikes are somehow equipped to handle. We’re told that no one is injured, though I don’t see how that can be the case with falls like this: Then things get really trippy in a two page photocollage said to be created by a distorting light show. This is quite avant-garde for a Superman family book in 1970. Superman regains consciousness and flies to the Zoomway just in time to lift the Whiz Wagon out of the path of a giant battlewagon, which turns out to be the "Mountain of Judgement." A powerful magnet pulls the Whiz Wagon inside the larger vehicle, and I wonder whether this scene inspired the tractor beam sequence in Star Wars. Inside are friendly scientists, the Hairies, who find a bomb hidden in the Whiz Wagon. This was the reason that Morgan Edge sent Jimmy and the Newsboys to the Wild Area: to unwittingly blow up the Hairies’ mobile fortress/laboratory. See, Jimmy should have listened to Superman! My Two Cents: So… Superman was right after all, and Jimmy was wrong. Jimmy almost got himself, the Newsboys, and the Hairies all killed by Morgan Edge’s bomb, and he doesn’t give the least hint of being sorry. That is, he’s sorry that he didn’t get a big story out of all this. What is up with this kid? And the Newsboy Legion are no more repentant. The Outsider’s home and weapons were made by the Hairies, who turn out to be rather less hairy than the Outsiders. Why are the Hairies making Kryptonite weapons? Superman seems to already know them and be on their side. The Hairies also made the Zoomway but then made it a deathtrap, both for reasons unclear, just as they drive around in a giant mobile lab for “to avoid our unseen enemies,” but only within the confines of the Zoomway. Doesn’t make sense. One starts to think that Kirby was looking for something as cool as the S.H.I.E.L.D. helicarrier, and he may have just found it, or rather created it. The Outsiders just sort of vanished from the story. One minute they were right with the Whiz Wagon; the scene cuts to Superman, and by the time Superman arrives at the Whiz Wagon, the Outsiders are both gone and forgotten, and the story is all about the Hairies now. The final page also gives us the first-ever glimpse of Darkseid, who has been inappropriately colored in flesh tones as he chats with Morgan Edge like a CEO barking at a midlevel executive. Not his most awe-inspiring appearance, but better things are coming.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Apr 29, 2019 0:58:07 GMT -5
Yay! Ok, this was the one that was basically a Superman story, right? Like the main character was Superman and the theme was Superman trying to find his place in the world? Or did that come later? That comes in Forever People #1, as we'll soon see. Right, right, thanks. Whenever anything is a weird tonal fit with the rest of the series, I assume it is from Jimmy Olsen. I really like Kirby's Jimmy Olsen, but I read it in collections next to the rest of the 4th world stuff and it gives me tonal whiplash.
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