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Post by rberman on Jun 28, 2019 13:56:06 GMT -5
I am not familiar with that trio. Sales must have been stunted.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 28, 2019 14:11:22 GMT -5
Shilo is supposed to be African-American. I'm not sure if he was using a specific model (like James Brown) or was just working based on his generation of African-American men, who quite often used hair relaxers. Especially singers and actors. The practice was pretty common right up until the late 60s, when the Black Power movement really pushed people to celebrate their natural hair and challenge notions of style and beauty.
There is a definite James Brown look to Shilo, in a couple of those panels.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 28, 2019 14:21:13 GMT -5
I am not familiar with that trio. Sales must have been stunted. There were 3 issues of Stuntman, from Harvey Comics, created by Simon & Kirby. Two were released to newsstands and the third was mailed to subscribers, only. That appears to be an inside cover of #2, so, imagine how disappointed fans were. Stuntman was pretty good; but, Harvey wasn't a big player, yet. Also, Simon & Kirby went out on there own, just in time to get steamrolled by the anit-comics hysteria.
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Post by profh0011 on Jun 29, 2019 15:15:34 GMT -5
A big problem was, before he got out of the armed services, Joe Simon did a handshake agreement with Al Harvey. When Kirby got out of the army, Simon & Kirby began doing work work for Harvey. Which PISSED OFF the powers-that-be at National (DC). And then there was this sudden MASSIVE paper shortage, which affected a lot of publishers. They were all hot and ready to expand their businesses, but then, COULDN'T. So S&K's Harvey material was cut SHORT by factors that had nothing to do with quality or sales... and then the people at National began to sideline them, when before going into WW2 they had become their powerhouses.
It's been suggested that, had Simon NOT pulled this stunt, S&K might have returned to National in glory. After reading that, it struck me that by the end of the 1950s, they might have been RUNNING THE COMPANY. Thanks a lot, Joe.
A lot is often made of how Will Eisner's work improved drastically when he came back from WW2. From what I've seen, that goes double for Jack Kirby. But many are unaware of anything he did before he went back to Marvel in the late 50s in an act of sheer desperation because of how the market had collapsed due to various factors. Not to mention his ill-fated dealings with DC scumbag Jack Schiff.
After a shaky period, S&K began doing a substantial amount of work for Hillman, and then moreso with Crestwood. They even managed to work a deal where they had their own "label", the way many rock stars did with various record companies in the 70s. They were splitting profits 50-50 with the publishers. They were KICKING A**.
And then Simon had the idea of starting his own company, Mainline... which, apparently, had its distribution DELIBERATELY sabotaged by some of the "big boys"-- the exact same kind of corporate criminal behavior that led to the downfall of Tower in the late 60s.
I posted the STUNTMAN ad as simply an example that Kirby was often re-using his own ideas. It's my belief that had Kirby worked more than on simply the costume design and a series concept that Bill Everett later rejected, Marvel's "Daredevil" might have been a lot more like Kirby's STUNTMAN than he became under Everett, then Wood. A decade later, he was at it again with MISTER MIRACLE.
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Post by rberman on Jul 3, 2019 9:27:07 GMT -5
Mister Miracle #16 “Shilo Norman, Super Trouble!” (November 1973)The Story: A bug-man named Attu kidnaps Big Barda and Oberon, shrinking them down to ant-size. Soon Shilo Norman has been shrunk as well, and he contends with a variety of hazards in the tiny kingdom of Professor Egg. Shilo's hair in that second panel is, um, interesting. Shilo’s DNA is extracted and combined with a larva which hatches into a horrible hybrid monster that frightens him terribly. How will Shilo get free? He won’t. It’s all a dream! Or rather, an illusion generated by a guest to Scott’s home. What a mean prank! Lettercol: Fans point out the swastika error from the Komodo issue. Victoria Erich points out that not only should Ted Brown be dead as claimed, but if he’s alive, he should be much older than depicted. My Two Cents: Boooo! Bad issue. “It’s all a dream” is almost always a frustrating story, especially when the solution to an interesting situation is the very uninteresting “…and then I woke up” (cough) “For the Man Who Has Everything” (cough). Furthermore, Scott Free has been totally sidelined in his own comic book. It seems that without the Fourth World mythology to tell, and chastened by letter writers who are bored with meaningless “a series of quick escapes” stories, Kirby has run out of Mister Miracle adventures. Mark Lucke was right. This series is ready for euthanasia.
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Post by MWGallaher on Jul 3, 2019 11:33:27 GMT -5
Mister Miracle #16 “Shilo Norman, Super Trouble!” (November 1973)...Furthermore, Scott Free has been totally sidelined in his own comic book. Kirby supposedly considered most of his character creations to be potential headliners, and I get the distinct impression that he was considering Shilo to either spin off as a replacement or take over the book entirely as "Mr. Miracle", continuing the central premise but fully divorced from the 4th World. We know he was interested in getting some comics out there with black leads, and Shilo would have been one way to do that. Eventually, as always, the industry realized he was onto something, and Shilo did get his shot(s) at headlining.
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Post by rberman on Jul 4, 2019 9:34:59 GMT -5
Mister Miracle #17 “Murder Lodge!” (January 1974)The Story: Have you heard the one about the travelers whose car broke down in the middle of nowhere, and they were forced to shelter in a creepy hotel with a sinister owner? Sure enough, Scott and Barda are incapacitated by booby trapped beds, and the proprietor comes after Shilo with a mattock which seems unwieldy in closed spaces. After some narrow escapes, Shilo finds and revives Scott and Barda. So far this has all been pedestrian, even hackneyed. But now comes a genuine surprise. The hostile owners of this hostile have mistaken our three heroes for the “Tricky Trio,” a squad of gangsters who show up at an importune time, leading to a three-way fracas. Soon both the Tricky Trio and the hotel staff are in police custody. Lettercol: Two writers support Mike Tiefenbacher and his previous request for less repetitive escape sequences and more character development. My Two Cents: Once again Shilo upstages Scott, who spends most of this issue comatose. Let’s talk about wardrobe. Kirby continues to give Barda interesting and varied clothes. But what’s up with Scott and Shilo riding around in their costumes? Shilo's super-costume is about as basic as could be: a yellow belted jumpsuit with a cape.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 4, 2019 10:12:23 GMT -5
Shiloh's pretty much sporting Sandman's colors, from the S&K revival/reunion, who would have his own very brief series. The mask and the trunks are about the only things missing.
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Post by rberman on Jul 5, 2019 7:37:22 GMT -5
Mister Miracle #18 “Wild, Wild Wedding Guests!” (February/March 1973)The Story: Virman Vundabar interrupts Scott’s escapist practice. Scott and Big Barda are forced to hide underground, where they confess their feelings for each other. Not only Viramar but also Kanto, Granny Goodness, and even Doctor Bedlam are in on the act. Scott, Oberon, Shilo, and Big Barda are strapped to an unwieldy bomb rocketing into space. Shio in particular is having a hair-raising experience. As the bomb explodes in Earth orbit, apparently killing the heroes, Orion appears from nowhere and enters the fray. Lightray has rescued the heroes from orbit. Who else can we throw in here? How about Izaya and Metron too? Sure, why not? Scott says goodbye to Oberon, and vicariously to the reader. Izaya marries Scott and Barda, neither of whom he has ever seen before this moment as far as I know. Well, he last saw Scott as a baby given to Darkseid, but no mention is made of that uncomfortable fact. The New Gods return to New Genesis. Darkseid appears just in time to frighten Oberon and Shilo into running away. The End! Lettercol: Mixed reactions on the issue #15’s move away from mythology into straight action. Where were letters about issues #16-18 printed? Nowhere, probably. My Two Cents: Clearly Kirby had only one issue of advance warning that he was leaving this series. He shoehorns in as many characters as possible, giving a page or two for each of them in a “last hurrah for the Fourth World.” It’s a narrative mess that fails to explore what should have been a large number of great first meetings: Orion and Mister Miracle, Orion and Barda, Izaya and Barda, etc. Scott and Barda’s romance goes from zero to a hundred. Darkseid comes across as more petty than grandiloquent. It’s all just a missed opportunity, softened by the farewell scene that precedes the wedding. Shilo once again has an oddly large head. Babies do have large heads for the size of their bodies, but not a teen like Shilo.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Jul 5, 2019 11:36:11 GMT -5
Darkseid comes across as more petty than grandiloquent. Cal it petty if you want but I loved that ending. Darkseid ending the series with the line "Life, at best, is bittersweet" is my single favorite comic book quote ever.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jul 5, 2019 15:05:55 GMT -5
Darkseid comes across as more petty than grandiloquent. Cal it petty if you want but I loved that ending. Darkseid ending the series with the line "Life, at best, is bittersweet" is my single favorite comic book quote ever. Uh, yeah. My favorite ending to a comic series, ever.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Jul 5, 2019 17:37:38 GMT -5
The Story: Virman Viramar interrupts Scott’s escapist practice. Scott and Big Barda are forced to hide underground, where they confess their feelings for each other. Not only Viramar but also Kanto, Granny Goodness, and even Doctor Bedlam are in on the act. Should that be Virman Vundabar?
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 5, 2019 18:37:35 GMT -5
^^Yep. Viramar sound like either a production company (Lorimar) or a Naval Air Station (Miramar).
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Post by berkley on Jul 5, 2019 18:46:23 GMT -5
Cal it petty if you want but I loved that ending. Darkseid ending the series with the line "Life, at best, is bittersweet" is my single favorite comic book quote ever. Uh, yeah. My favorite ending to a comic series, ever. Yeah, I liked it too. "I am the storm" was another great line. No doubt the issue as a whole suffered from being rushed and having too much material to cram together, but still an important comic to me.
Also features one of my favourite Orion panels, which I'll have to show in a separate post since I can never figure out how to do the multi-quote thing.
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Post by berkley on Jul 5, 2019 18:57:12 GMT -5
Mister Miracle #18 “Wild, Wild Wedding Guests!” (February/March 1973)The Story: Virman Viramar interrupts Scott’s escapist practice. Scott and Big Barda are forced to hide underground, where they confess their feelings for each other. Not only Viramar but also Kanto, Granny Goodness, and even Doctor Bedlam are in on the act. Scott, Oberon, Shilo, and Big Barda are strapped to an unwieldy bomb rocketing into space. Shio in particular is having a hair-raising experience. As the bomb explodes in Earth orbit, apparently killing the heroes, Orion appears from nowhere and enters the fray. Lightray has rescued the heroes from orbit. Who else can we throw in here? How about Izaya and Metron too? Sure, why not? Scott says goodbye to Oberon, and vicariously to the reader. Izaya marries Scott and Barda, neither of whom he has ever seen before this moment as far as I know. Well, he last saw Scott as a baby given to Darkseid, but no mention is made of that uncomfortable fact. The New Gods return to New Genesis. Darkseid appears just in time to frighten Oberon and Shilo into running away. The End! Lettercol: Mixed reactions on the issue #15’s move away from mythology into straight action. Where were letters about issues #16-18 printed? Nowhere, probably. My Two Cents: Clearly Kirby had only one issue of advance warning that he was leaving this series. He shoehorns in as many characters as possible, giving a page or two for each of them in a “last hurrah for the Fourth World.” It’s a narrative mess that fails to explore what should have been a large number of great first meetings: Orion and Mister Miracle, Orion and Barda, Izaya and Barda, etc. Scott and Barda’s romance goes from zero to a hundred. Darkseid comes across as more petty than grandiloquent. It’s all just a missed opportunity, softened by the farewell scene that precedes the wedding. Shilo once again has an oddly large head. Babies do have large heads for the size of their bodies, but not a teen like Shilo. Yes, it would have been great if more time and space could have been given to all those first meetings and so many other things, but since he had only a single issue in which to bring the series to some kind of resolution, I love how Kirby handled this insurmountable problem.
I left that particular image in the quote because I've always liked that last panel with Orion pointing at the Apokoliptan leaders: to me, it highlights the deadly seriousness of the character as Kirby presents him: no bombast, no ranting or raving, he just tells them, this is your warning - and they know better than not to take heed of it.
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