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Post by profh0011 on Jul 14, 2019 22:04:18 GMT -5
Kirby (like some other writers) had a habit of not only reusing his own ideas from series to series, but sometimes, took a series with him from one publisher to another... and just changed the names for legal reasons.
It's often been presumed that Asgard was supposed to have been destroyed at the end of the 4-part "Mangog" story... and if that happened, it would be reborn as 2 separate planets. Time must work different between Earth and the other realm, because otherwise, how could the NEW GODS have existed for so many years or generations while on Earth hardly any time seems to have passed at all? (Unless of course, it's a different continuity and the Asgard destroyed in NEW GODS was destroyed a millennium before.)
But Kirby did it again... and for decades, I HAD NO IDEA.
CAPTAIN VICTORY AND THE GALACTIC RANGERS-- envisioned in the mid-late 70s but published n the early 80s (some years before THE HUNGER DOGS) apparently also takes place in the "present day" of Earth. But as we find out, if we dig into it... and recognize certain characters despite being redesigned and renamed.......
Captain Victory is the GRANDSON os Darkseid. He's the son of Orion and Bekka, presumably both murdered by Darkseid. His young grandson managed to KILL him in turn, before going off to join an organization devoted to KEEPING ORDER in a galaxy full of incredible dangers.
These comics are also among my all-time favorite Kirby stories. I only wish Mike Royer could have inked more than the first couple of issues.
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Post by rberman on Jul 15, 2019 6:37:20 GMT -5
Kirby (like some other writers) had a habit of not only reusing his own ideas from series to series, but sometimes, took a series with him from one publisher to another... and just changed the names for legal reasons. It's often been presumed that Asgard was supposed to have been destroyed at the end of the 4-part "Mangog" story... and if that happened, it would be reborn as 2 separate planets. Time must work different between Earth and the other realm, because otherwise, how could the NEW GODS have existed for so many years or generations while on Earth hardly any time seems to have passed at all? (Unless of course, it's a different continuity and the Asgard destroyed in NEW GODS was destroyed a millennium before.) That makes sense of a discussion between Lonar and Izaya about how the age of Asgard is somehow not only behind the New Gods but also after them. "The past is becoming our future," says Izaya. |
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Post by profh0011 on Jul 15, 2019 15:31:26 GMT -5
I liked mentally playing around with the idea of what might have happened at Marvel if Asgard had been destroyed in THOR. To me, the book would have gone on... Thor would have somehow escaped the destruction, wound up again on Earth, and suddenly be the "sole survivor of a doomed civilization". Well, he's already wearing the blue suit and red cape!  It then crossed my mind that that initial JIMMY OLSEN 6-parter that introduced so many elements of the Fourth World-- had it been done at Marvel instead of DC-- would have featured Thor (instead of Superman); the Fantastic Four (instead of the Newsboy Legion) and Peter Parker (instead of Jimmy Olsen). Picture a 6-part story, told across 3 different series in a 2-month stretch... then leading directly into NEW GODS #1. Under Kirby, Superman had become more philosophical than he'd been before. He seemed more aware of how different he was, even among other super-heroes. And you had those 2 episodes where he was curious to see New Genesis. I imagine he hoped it might be like Krypton, a place where he'd belong. But it wasn't... he was needed more on Earth. Had this been Thor, I could easily imagine him wondering, is this the new Asgard? Only it wasn't... they were all strangers. And he was needed on Earth, something Odin had kept standing in the way of. I could even envision-- eventually-- Thor finding out that Sif, and perhaps some of his other friends-- had also survived, and come to Earth. After all, Supergirl got here eventually.  |
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Post by profh0011 on Jul 15, 2019 15:36:55 GMT -5
I've never been able to shake this feeling... " CAPTAIN VICTORY" -- and " MAJOR KLAVUS"  |
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Post by rberman on Jul 15, 2019 17:32:43 GMT -5
Under Kirby, Superman had become more philosophical than he'd been before. He seemed more aware of how different he was, even among other super-heroes. And you had those 2 episodes where he was curious to see New Genesis. I imagine he hoped it might be like Krypton, a place where he'd belong. But it wasn't... he was needed more on Earth. Had this been Thor, I could easily imagine him wondering, is this the new Asgard? Only it wasn't... they were all strangers. And he was needed on Earth, something Odin had kept standing in the way of. I think Kirby was working out his own career frustrations. Like Superman, he was an orphan (of Golden Age creators), an under-appreciated Big Dog stranded on an alien world (late Silver Age Marvel). He heard of a place full of superheroes like himself. That's great! I want to go there! But once he finally arrived in Supertown (early Bronze Age DC), it was disappointing and alienating. He couldn't adjust. Everyone there had their own thing going on. Nobody was welcoming. Nobody needs him. The boss said, "Maybe you should just go home."      So, he did. |
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Post by rberman on Feb 23, 2020 19:52:28 GMT -5
The musicians who appeared for no plot reason in this issue of Jimmy Olsen were an inside joke. Kirby had sketched several folks for the printed program at the 1971 San Diego Comic-Con and then worked them into this story.  Also Felix MacFinney, the assassin on Loch Trevor was a caricature of Scottish actor James Finlayson.  In issue #78 of the Kirby Collector, Mark Evanier reports that he and Steve Sherman floated to Kirby a Fourth World story involving the Loch Ness monster and a character who looked like James Finlayson. Kirby told them to write a script. Before they returned several days later with their script, Kirby got news that Jimmy Olsen was moving from eight issues a year to twelve, so he needed to rush out a whole issue in five days. He produced this issue involving the Loch Ness monster and a character who looked like James Finlayson, apparently not remembering that he had gotten the idea from Evanier and Sherman. They were chagrined when they arrived with their finished script and found that Kirby has already used their idea in a different script. Kirby paid them for their script, which of couse was never used. |
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Post by chaykinstevens on Feb 24, 2020 18:46:28 GMT -5
In issue #78 of the Kirby Collector, Mark Evanier reports that he and Jim Sherman floated to Kirby a Fourth World story involving the Loch Ness monster and a character who looked like James Finlayson. I think you might mean Steve Sherman. |
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Post by rberman on Feb 24, 2020 18:54:32 GMT -5
In issue #78 of the Kirby Collector, Mark Evanier reports that he and Jim Sherman floated to Kirby a Fourth World story involving the Loch Ness monster and a character who looked like James Finlayson. I think you might mean Steve Sherman. You are correct! |
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