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Post by rberman on May 8, 2019 6:51:37 GMT -5
New Gods #2 “O’ Deadly Darkseid” (May 1971)The Story: In four pages of exposition recapitulating last issue, Lightray wants to help Orion fight Darkseid on Earth, but Izaya says, “No, young feller. Stay here.” Orion is escorting his four rescued Americans home, but who’s sitting in Detective Dave Lincoln's apartment but Darkseid himself, hanging out in the TV room. Darkseid’s minion Brola engages in fisticuffs with Orion and gets knocked through an exterior wall for his trouble; Darkseid vanishes during the melee. Orion’s four new friends introduce themselves and suggest that he Anglicize his own name as “O’Ryan” which is actually kind of clever; he even has Irish red hair to back it up. Orion gives teasers of what’s going on in the other Fourth World series (scenes of Mantis, the Habitat, etc.), to encourage readers to buy the whole set. Desaad is building a “Fear Machine” to use on the populace of Metropolis. As seen in Forever People #2, Darkseid hopes that fear will cause Anti-Life (fascism) to express itself within the humans so that he can harvest and exploit it. Anti-Life is again described as “the ability to control all free will.” Darkseid also drops an “If Orion were my own son…” comment, but it’s easily dismissed as a hypothetical at this point. Metropolis citizens start rioting. Orion traces the cause of the disturbance to a machine concealed behind a billboard – a metaphor for how capitalism can be corrupted to serve totalitarian ends – and destroys it. My Two Cents: At this point, the series is like a TV serial. The bad guy perturbs society; the good guy returns it to a steady state. There’s no talk of fundamentally altering the situation or taking the fight to the bad guy. Orion is content to foil Darkseid’s plans and then hang out in his friend’s apartment. What color are Orion’s eyes? In original printings, they are blue, but my omnibus edition colors them deep red. Perhaps this is what Tom King is referencing in his recent Mister Miracle mini-series in which “Are Big Barda’s eyes brown or blue?” becomes a matter of great significance. Kirby’s contract with DC guaranteed him 60 pages a month, which meant 15 pages a week. He exceeded this benchmark. Steve Sherman describes how Kirby’s decades of experience enabled him to pace a story in his head and draw it without writing a script first:
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Post by rberman on May 8, 2019 10:37:31 GMT -5
Something else I had no idea of until I read about it years later... DC Comics, which had started as somewhat of an offshoot of organized crime in the late 1930s, had worked diligently to put their crime past behind them... when the company was SOLD in the late 60s to Kinney, a NYC MOB company that specialized in parking lots and trash removal. Kinney also bought the Warner Brothers movie studio, and in a move designed to distance themselves from... THEMSELVES... they changed the name of the parent company from Kinney to... Warner Communications. Fredric Dannen has a little to say about Kinney in Hit Men, his book on crime in the music industry, but he doesn't mention the mob. Here's the longest section about Kinney and its boss Steve Ross. He's mentioned sporadically afterward in relation to his role as chairman of Time-Warner. "Warner Bros. Records had begun inauspiciously. From 1958 to 1962, it lost an estimated $3 million a year... Then, in 1963, Warner signed comedian Allen Sherman and folk trio Peter, Paul, and Mary. Hit albums by Bill Cosby completed the turnaround. Meanwhile (sister label) Reprise began to score middle-of-the-road hits with Dean Martin, Nancy Sinatra, and Trini Lopez... (With the signing of the Grateful Dead,) Warner was on its way to becoming a rock company. Meanwhile, Seven Arts, a small film producer and distributor, acquired all of Warner Bros. - films and records - in 1966. The purchase encumbered Seven Arts with debt, and it resolved to sell the Warner holdings, but not before adding Atlantic Records to the fold in 1967. That year, the Warner movie and music operations found a stable owner in the Kinney Corporation. "Kinney must have seemed an unlikely parent. It was run by Steve Ross, an ambitious young man from Flatbush. He had taken his then-wife's family business, funeral parlors, and expanded into car-rental agencies and parking lots. In 1967 he exchanged $10 million in preferred stock for the Ashley Famous talent agency. Entranced by the entertainment business, Ross soon took over Warner-Seven Arts, as it was then called... Ross proved a good manager of creative people and well suited for the entertainmenet business. The film and record companies outgrew Kinney's core business so quickly that in 1971 Ross renamed it Warner Communications." (p.121-122)
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Post by mikelmidnight on May 8, 2019 11:55:44 GMT -5
It's been an ongoing issue that Kirby's explosive artwork and bombastic dialogue obscured the actual subtlety behind the characterisation and the plot, leading most successive writers to misunderstand what his comics were all about.
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Post by profh0011 on May 8, 2019 13:16:42 GMT -5
this, in my view, is one of the main reasons why later writers have failed to do the concept justice - they can't get their heads around this idea, since it doesn't fit their superhero-based view of what comics (comics that look like this, that is) are all about. There are some concepts-- MOST, probably-- that should only be done by their original creators. Jack Kirby's recurring advice to aspiring writers: "Create your own characters".
But until this 2-side corporate STRANGLEHOLD is taken down and gotten out of the way, it's sometimes near-impossible for anyone or anything else to even make a dent in the marketplace.
Oh, yeah, and this goes for comics, too. (heeheeheeheehee)
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Post by profh0011 on May 8, 2019 13:25:42 GMT -5
"Meanwhile, Seven Arts, a small film producer and distributor, acquired all of Warner Bros. - films and records - in 1966. The purchase encumbered Seven Arts with debt, and it resolved to sell the Warner holdings, but not before adding Atlantic Records to the fold in 1967. That year, the Warner movie and music operations found a stable owner in the Kinney Corporation. Crazy! I hadn't heard about this part before.
I always think of film distribution when I see the name Seven Arts. They imported MARINE BOY from Japan. Also, Warner-Seven Arts imported a number of Hammer Films in the mid-late 60s.
I believe the way Hammer operated, they probably FINANCED the films up-front, too. That's how Hammer did things-- they got a distributor to finance a film for which they got distribution rights. This meant Hammer was often at the mercy of the distributors' wishes. Which is why "TASTE THE BLOOD OF DRACULA" could not be made, UNLESS they coerced Christopher Lee to actually appear in it, which was not the original intention.
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Post by profh0011 on May 8, 2019 13:28:23 GMT -5
Kirby often based characters on real people-- sometimes amalgamations of real people. Like, the personality of one, the physical image of another. Perfect example here:
Darkseid's personality was from RICHARD NIXON. His face was JACK PALANCE.
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Post by profh0011 on May 8, 2019 13:33:52 GMT -5
I have no idea if Kirby ever saw actor Milton Johns, but he reminds me a LOT of Desaad. Among his film roles was Adolph Eichmann, who was one of the architects of the Holocaust. Come to think of it, now that I look up Eichmann himself, he may well be who Desaad was based on!!
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Post by profh0011 on May 8, 2019 13:34:34 GMT -5
actor Milton Johns
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Post by codystarbuck on May 8, 2019 17:01:57 GMT -5
I always thought Dessad was more inspired by Mengele; definitely a Nazi connection. Not sure about visually, though... Milton Johns seems unlikely, as an English actor working primarily in television. Looking at his credits, before the New Gods, the only thing Kirby would have been able to see is the Saint and he appeared in one episode of that. The rest of what I see wasn't shown in the US. I know him from one of the earliest Yes Minister episodes, where he plays a trade union leader, who gets in to see Hacker, because he has cut staff, in an economy drive. Not to mention appearances in The Good neighbors (The Good Life, in the UK) and Doctor Who, and a small role in Empire Strikes Back. I suspect Kirby would have had someone from Hollywood as a reference, if he was thinking of an actor. There are shades of some of Peter Lorre's characters, in Desaad's personality. Rene Auberjonois voiced him quite well in the Legendary Super Powers Team and Super Powers: Galactic Guardians cartoons (and later, in the Justice League cartoon).
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Post by rberman on May 8, 2019 17:24:17 GMT -5
"Meanwhile, Seven Arts, a small film producer and distributor, acquired all of Warner Bros. - films and records - in 1966. The purchase encumbered Seven Arts with debt, and it resolved to sell the Warner holdings, but not before adding Atlantic Records to the fold in 1967. That year, the Warner movie and music operations found a stable owner in the Kinney Corporation. Crazy! I hadn't heard about this part before.
I always think of film distribution when I see the name Seven Arts. They imported MARINE BOY from Japan. Also, Warner-Seven Arts imported a number of Hammer Films in the mid-late 60s.
I believe the way Hammer operated, they probably FINANCED the films up-front, too. That's how Hammer did things-- they got a distributor to finance a film for which they got distribution rights. This meant Hammer was often at the mercy of the distributors' wishes. Which is why "TASTE THE BLOOD OF DRACULA" could not be made, UNLESS they coerced Christopher Lee to actually appear in it, which was not the original intention.
Doing some more reading... although Abner Zwillman, "The Al Capone of New Jersey," was a part owner of Kinney, he seems to have been a silent partner, and he died in 1959 before Steve Ross entered the picture. There doesn't appear to have been an odor of underworld about Kinney by the time they bought Warner, and Ross became highly respected throughout Warner's innovations in cable TV, their merger with Time, Inc., etc. Steven Speilberg dedicated the film Schindler's List to Ross and encouraged actor Liam Neeson to base his business mannerisms on videos of Ross.
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Post by berkley on May 9, 2019 1:01:55 GMT -5
It's been an ongoing issue that Kirby's explosive artwork and bombastic dialogue obscured the actual subtlety behind the characterisation and the plot, leading most successive writers to misunderstand what his comics were all about.
I think that's a lot of it - I mean of what's behind the failure of those later writers to come to grips with what I consider his 2 masterpieces, the New Gods and The Eternals.
Also, in a more general way there's the fact that they look like superhero comics, though very strange ones, and that leads readers and writers to almost unconsciously make certain assumptions about the kind of story and characters they're being presented with. But I see the first few issues of the Eternals, for example, is a complete subversion of the whole superhero paradigm, in some ways.
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Post by rberman on May 9, 2019 4:52:04 GMT -5
Jimmy Olsen #137 “The Four-Armed Terror!” (May 1971)The Story: The D.N.Alien monster that hatched in the Evil Factory is somehow now prowling the Zoomway. It runs across two of the biker Outsiders who are riding around looking for their leader Jimmy Olsen. The creature destroys their motorcycles, and they flee on foot. How far is it back to Habitat? As I recall there was a water hazard and a huge pit blocking the way back. Meanwhile in The Project, Superman and the rest of our heroes take some time out to listen to the Music of the Spheres on a “solar phone” which gives them a communal psychedelic experience which goes on for several splash pages. Groooovy. The evil creature starts feeding off of the power lines connecting The Project to its nuclear power plant. This leads to damaging explosions in both The Project and The Habitat. Superman says “Leave it to me,” which causes resentment in Jimmy Olsen and the Newsboy Legion. They follow him anyway. Check out how everyone has their knees bent, ready to pounce in classic Kirby style. During a big fight, the D.N.Alien entraps Superman, Jimmy, and the Newsboys in an elastic cocoon which he tosses away. He continues his march to the nuclear plant itself. When he reaches it, he will cause an explosion which will destroy Metropolis. Worse still, more of his kind (which Mokkari and Simyan dub “Homo Usurpus”) are hatching at the Evil Factory… My Two Cents: This story feels, dare I say it, decompressed. As is often the case in pre-planned story arcs, the issue-ending beats are planned as an over-arching story structure. But there may not be enough plot detail between them, resulting in lots of big panels. The whole Solar Phone sequence could have been one page instead of several. Kirby’s plots were the comic book equivalent of punk rock: high energy, imaginative, and lacking in elegance and details. For instance, when Jimmy and the Newsboys first came to the Wild Area and the Habitat, they were gliding along a river near Metropolis. But now we’re told that this whole story takes place in a giant cavern underneath Metropolis. Even the forested Wild Area is underground apparently. It doesn’t make sense, and it also contradicts what we were shown back in #133. Second, Kirby would not be the first write to treat a nuclear reactor pile like a nuclear bomb that might explode in a mushroom cloud. I doubt that. There could be some explosion related to a nuclear meltdown, but a nuclear bomb requires a carefully managed explosion triggered by shaped charges. A meltdown beneath Metropolis could have disastrous consequences including poisoning of the water supply, but a mushroom cloud would not be among them, especially for a nuclear meltdown starting deep underground. Still, the image of a mushroom cloud was a powerful symbol of nuclear holocaust in the Cold War area, so it’s understandable that Kirby would appeal to it. This issue of Jimmy Olsen has almost no Jimmy Olsen. He just gets a couple of panels in which he shoots ineffectively at the D.N.Alien with a sound wave pistol he acquired at The Project. Where was The Guardian in this issue? Last issue made a big deal about what an effective monster fighter he is, but he’s simply missing for now. “Homo Usurpus” is a little too obviously lifted from Kirby’s work on X-Men, which had “Homo Superior” threatening to usurp mankind. But he’s his own editor, so there’s no one to tell him “No.”
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Post by MDG on May 9, 2019 9:02:54 GMT -5
It's been an ongoing issue that Kirby's explosive artwork and bombastic dialogue obscured the actual subtlety behind the characterisation and the plot, leading most successive writers to misunderstand what his comics were all about.
I think that's a lot of it - I mean of what's behind the failure of those later writers to come to grips with what I consider his 2 masterpieces, the New Gods and The Eternals.
Also, in a more general way there's the fact that they look like superhero comics, though very strange ones, and that leads readers and writers to almost unconsciously make certain assumptions about the kind of story and characters they're being presented with. But I see the first few issues of the Eternals, for example, is a complete subversion of the whole superhero paradigm, in some ways.
I always feel that Kirby had moved on from what he was doing in the 60s--whether with his original plan for New Gods or his proposed/short lived B&W books--but the industry wasn't set up for it.
Other established creators seemed to have the same frustration toward the end of the Silver Age, e.g., Wally Wood and Gil Kane. Wood seemed to try different things, but also picking up odd jobs at DC, Marvel , Warren once in a while. Kane just dove into churning out work.
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Post by mikelmidnight on May 9, 2019 11:44:09 GMT -5
Also, in a more general way there's the fact that they look like superhero comics, though very strange ones, and that leads readers and writers to almost unconsciously make certain assumptions about the kind of story and characters they're being presented with. But I see the first few issues of the Eternals, for example, is a complete subversion of the whole superhero paradigm, in some ways.
Two examples that come to mind:
Treating Lightray as Orion's sidekick. In the original series he most definitely is not ... he's a co-equal and often superior voice in the series although Orion gets more obvious center stage as the warrior.
Treating Ikarus as the hero. He starts off that way, but once the other Eternals show up, it's clear he's considered a dumb jock and they all kind of gently mock him.
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Post by rberman on May 10, 2019 7:15:49 GMT -5
Mister Miracle #2 “X-Pit” (June 1971)The Story: Scott Free experiments with a device called Overlord that shoots beams from its eyes. His escape trick involves a robot double, a "follower," synchronized to follow his every move. Things go slightly awry, and Scott’s Mother Box is damaged. Scott tells Oberon that he came here through a "Boom Tube," but he doesn’t explain further. Elsewhere, Scott is spied upon by hidden camera. His observer is Granny Goodness, a minion of Darkseid who says that Scot has escaped from “her institution,” and she wants him back. Her goons attack, capturing Oberon and the “follower” robot which they think is Scott Free. Scott dons his aero-discs to trail them. When Scott tries to rescue Oberon, he is instead sucked into Granny’s X-Pit. Scott and Oberon face various dangers including a glass box and thick mud. Through the use of Mother Box, Scott is able to overload the Overlord that controls the X-Pit. He tells Granny Goodness to “blow up and dry away” and then departs with Oberon. My Two Cents: We have to wonder what kind of relationship Jack Kirby had with his grandmother. Granny Goodness feigns concern but really is both evil and manipulative, even pulling the old “the stress of our disagreement is giving me a heart attack!” guilt trip on Scott. Oy vey! There’s also a one page Mark Evanier essay about escape artists, Houdini in particular. Naturally he would have been one of the chief inspirations for this series. But Kirby explains another inspiration that isn’t so obvious: Kirby’s father Benjamin Kurtzberg worked as a tailor but was laid off while Jack was in art school.
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