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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 14, 2019 16:12:15 GMT -5
At this point I have pretty much ZERO interest in a JSA that isn't set some time prior to 1955. If that were the case I might be interested if the creative team is good. A JSA set in the present means either that the characters are at least perilously close to 100 or it's just a group called the JSA for...reasons. There are work around's a writer can come up with. The Rascally One had them in Limbo for a major portion of their lives after WWII and I think it was Geoff Johns (where is Cei-U! when you need him?) who used that as reasoning for their extended lifetimes and agelessness in their last incarnation in modern times. Close, but no cigar.
What happened in All-Star Squadron Annual #3 was that the JSA and a few hangers-on (Robin, Hawkgirl, Lois Lane, Joan Williams) were saturated in "chronal energy" when baddie Ian Karkull 'sploded, causing them to age at a much slower rate than normal, prolonging their lifespans and keeping them physically younger than their chronological ages (maybe that's why the Earth-Two Dick Grayson looked 12 into his mid-20s). Post-Crisis, Parallax removed that energy during Zero Hour, killing Tom, Dr. Mid-Nite, and Hour-Man on the spot and causing the other JSAers to become their true ages. I don't remember how Johns worked around it for his series but by then only Flash and Wildcat were left of the Golden Agers anyway (plus Green Lantern, whose ring keeps him young).
And the JSA were only in limbo (Asgard, actually) for six years, from Last Days of the Justice Society in 1986 to 1992's Armageddon Inferno, not for "a major portion of their lives after WWII."
Cei-U! Of course, who knows what's still canonical these days?!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 14, 2019 16:18:53 GMT -5
I LOVED the Strazewski/Paobeck Justice Society of America book. But that was 27 years ago. And even then it was pushing the envelope way past the point of exploding to have the JSAers active even with the "chronal energy" shenanigans. If they aren't in a historic setting I just don't see the point.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 16:22:59 GMT -5
At this point I have pretty much ZERO interest in a JSA that isn't set some time prior to 1955. If that were the case I might be interested if the creative team is good. A JSA set in the present means either that the characters are at least perilously close to 100 or it's just a group called the JSA for...reasons. I would love to see a series set from 1946-1955. It would be different from most portrayals of the JSA either taking place during WWII or much later in life. It would be interesting to see the heroes as they start families and adjust to post WWII life and so on. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 14, 2019 16:24:27 GMT -5
I LOVED the Strazewski/Paobeck Justice Society of America book. But that was 27 years ago. And even then it was pushing the envelope way past the point of exploding to have the JSAers active even with the "chronal energy" shenanigans. If they aren't in a historic setting I just don't see the point. <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 27.279999999999973px; height: 3.4000000000000057px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_80865879" scrolling="no" width="27.279999999999973" height="3.4000000000000057"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 27.28px; height: 3.4px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1301px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_84261202" scrolling="no" width="27.279999999999973" height="3.4000000000000057"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 27.28px; height: 3.4px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 111px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_49808686" scrolling="no" width="27.279999999999973" height="3.4000000000000057"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 27.28px; height: 3.4px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1301px; top: 111px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_69858149" scrolling="no" width="27.279999999999973" height="3.4000000000000057"></iframe> The point (for DC) is to keep the trademarks in use, but I get your meaning (and agree).
Cei-U! I summon the reality check!
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Post by brutalis on Jun 14, 2019 16:25:51 GMT -5
EGADS, I had totally forgotten the whole Chronal Energy sockamageewhatawhositzwowee. That is why you are the Great and Powerful Cei-U! of the CCF. I bow before thine encyclopedic knowledge oh great Thunderbolter!!! |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 14, 2019 16:37:07 GMT -5
I LOVED the Strazewski/Paobeck Justice Society of America book. But that was 27 years ago. And even then it was pushing the envelope way past the point of exploding to have the JSAers active even with the "chronal energy" shenanigans. If they aren't in a historic setting I just don't see the point. <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 27.279999999999973px; height: 3.4000000000000057px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_80865879" scrolling="no" width="27.279999999999973" height="3.4000000000000057"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 27.28px; height: 3.4px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1301px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_84261202" scrolling="no" width="27.279999999999973" height="3.4000000000000057"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 27.28px; height: 3.4px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 111px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_49808686" scrolling="no" width="27.279999999999973" height="3.4000000000000057"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 27.28px; height: 3.4px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1301px; top: 111px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_69858149" scrolling="no" width="27.279999999999973" height="3.4000000000000057"></iframe> The point (for DC) is to keep the trademarks in use, but I get your meaning (and agree).
Cei-U! I summon the reality check!
Oh, I absolutely understand the business reasons, which are largely preserving Trademarks. I'm just saying that from the point of view of a long-time fan of the characters there are very few ways they can be used that will get me interested. |
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Post by chadwilliam on Jun 16, 2019 0:11:39 GMT -5
Perhaps this is a question better suited for the 'Ask a CBFer a question here' thread, but since it's relevant to this one...
I believe that the post-Crisis version of the events depicted in Flash 123's The Flash of Two Worlds (which could no longer involve parallel Earths) established that all memory of Keystone City had been erased from the minds of all people everywhere due to the machinations of The Thinker. For this reason, Jay Garrick's city (though still on the same Earth as Barry Allen) was in some sort of limbo where everything had been frozen in time circa 1950-something when The Thinker's plan went into effect. However, the Barry Allen Flash shows up, frees Jay Garrick, and all memory of Keystone and the existence of Jay Garrick is restored. Of course, this means that Keystone has skipped several decades of history due it having been frozen in time, but this also means that Jay Garrick isn't the 80 year old man he should be, but a mere boy of 50 or so. This then, explains why Jay Garrick was so much younger than he should have been following the Crisis. However, I've also heard it claimed that it's The Speed Force which kept him young and Ian Karkall's chronal energy discharge (mentioned by Cei-U! above) too. So, does anyone know which explanation was the official one circa, say, 2000 or so? Or was this just one of those situations where each writer had their own go to explanation and may not even have known of any others?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 14:23:25 GMT -5
Too bad this isn't the preview art for the JSA return...  -M |
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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 23, 2019 22:42:50 GMT -5
How about simply re-telling stories from All-Star #3 onward? Maybe sometimes a story could be 60% the same or another time only 10%. Use the basic story that's there and all the characters but write it in more detail, with differently worded dialogue perhaps, and new art taking the existing scenes as a rough plan sometimes, or from a different perspective other times? The original creators would be credited and then below that the new remixers. I used to think that would be a great thing to try with the first ten or sixteen issues of The X-Men except in Professor Xavier & The X-Men they did this in the '90s and it came out all stereotypical Image style, bleh!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 11:23:35 GMT -5
How about simply re-telling stories from All-Star #3 onward? Maybe sometimes a story could be 60% the same or another time only 10%. Use the basic story that's there and all the characters but write it in more detail, with differently worded dialogue perhaps, and new art taking the existing scenes as a rough plan sometimes, or from a different perspective other times? The original creators would be credited and then below that the new remixers. I used to think that would be a great thing to try with the first ten or sixteen issues of The X-Men except in Professor Xavier & The X-Men they did this in the '90s and it came out all stereotypical Image style, bleh! I like this idea very much!  |
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