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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 28, 2023 21:37:57 GMT -5
Marks gonna mark. I honestly can say I don't have any interest in Punk in WWE... what's he could do to there? He's not going to be the one to beat reigns, and no one WWE can work like the guys he was working with in WWE... I think he's going to get exposed pretty quickly. But then, he might not actually wrestle until the rumble, so maybe I'm wrong there. AEW has definitely lost some momentum, but having Punk certainly wouldn't be the answer. 71 million views on social media platforms. Like him or not, he is viewed as a star and he attracts an audience. I'm not that audience, because I haven't watched anything,, other than the initial run of NWA Powerrr, in the better part of 20 years. You may not be that audience, but there is a sizeable audience that does want to see him. He meant ratings and gate draws for AEW and those numbers suffered without him, before the firing. I suspect he will most definitely be in the mix, at the top. For good or ill, though that will depend more on the booking than Punk, because he is already over, with the crowd. Regardless of the quality of their product, the WWE has always known how to do business, even with people who left on bad terms. That is why they continue to succeed and have left everyone else in their wake.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 30, 2023 12:55:55 GMT -5
17 years for Tammy Sytch, on 3 charges related to her causing the death of a man, while she was driving under the influence. Long time coming but a pretty sad downward spiral.
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Post by dbutler69 on Dec 1, 2023 8:39:36 GMT -5
Forty years ago today, Starrcade 1983 was broadcast on closed-circuit television, taking place at the Greensboro Coliseum Complex: ![](https://i.imgur.com/SG5sOXu.jpg) When I first saw this event on videotape, the Roddy Piper/Greg Valentine bout was probably the most violent bout I’d seen at that point. It was certainly different from the “cartoony violence” I’d seen in the WWF. And, of course, there was the very believable and emotional main event between Flair and Race. Vince Russo can whine about all sorts of nonsense (he recently asked again about ‘fake fights’). He’s an idiot. The fact is, the likes of Flair and Race made us suspend our disbelief. Mind you, I suppose Russo thinks it’d have worked better if a comedy actor had won the belt in a tag match. At the time of seeing this, I equated the style with some of the stuff I’d seen on World of Sport. I’ll always love the cartoony WWF style, but when I first got to grips with NWA/JCP/WCW, and the like, it was a whole different world. Not better than WWF, not worse, just different. And that’s what I like. And that’s what Russo failed to understand when he turned WCW into WWF Attitude-Lite. I haven't seen a lot of the NWA stuff (I'll work on that some day) but from what I've seen, I agree. It's more realistic than the WWF stuff, but WWF was really good at the entertainment aspect - the cartoony violence, the larger than live characters, and the production quality of the TV broadcasts. Both promotions have their own merits. It's nice to have different styles of wrestling to choose from.
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Post by dbutler69 on Dec 1, 2023 8:45:37 GMT -5
On this day 35 years ago, Survivor Series 1988 aired on PPV, taking place at the Richfield Coliseum, Ohio: ![](https://i.imgur.com/PqgtUpj.jpg) This is a great PPV. The 10-on-10 tag match was brilliant, and it shows just how far the tag team division fell years later. No way could they have done such a match like that in he 2000s. The ending was a tad confusing, though. Forgive my idiocy, but I thought Mr. Fuji had turned babyface. And then I realised the Powers of Pain had turned heel, but they won the match when Barbarian pinned Uno of The Conquistadors - who were heels. I got it in the end. Team Hacksaw/Jake Roberts vs Team Andre/Dino Bravo was a good mix of talent, and is perhaps my favourite match on the card. Team Warrior/Brutus Beefcake vs Team Outlaw Ron Bass/Team Honky Tonk Man is solid, but I think the most memorable moment is Bad News Brown abandoning his team after teammate Greg Valentine accidentally hit him. As Jesse Ventura stated, “I don’t think this guy can get along with anyone!” Team Hogan/Macho Man vs Team Big Boss Man/Akeem was a good main event, with many memorable moments, such as Slick taunting a handcuffed Hogan by showing him the keys. It all ended on a good note, with the babyface team getting the victory. As I'm working my way through WWF history, I'm getting close to Survivor Series 1992, which, as Vince McMahan points out, is held in the same place as this inaugural Survivor Series. As far as what you said about the tag team division falling, it's already gotten pretty weak. They haven't revealed the full card yet for where I am at in time, but I'm not seeing any 10 on 10 matches, and only one 8 on 8 match, and that has the rule that when one tag team partner gets eliminated, they both have to leave - which I don't like. It almost makes it like a regular 2 on 2 tag match. I would like to see more of the 8 on 8 or 10 on 10 matches, and without that stipulation, in Survivor Series. As far as Bad News Brown, I think he walked off in every single Survivor Series he participated in. I don't know why anyone would want him on their team. From what I've heard, he wasn't exactly a warm, cuddly guy in real life, either. Man, how did the Twin Towers never win a tag team championship??
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 5, 2023 17:52:23 GMT -5
Dutch mantel has posted on Facebook, and his podcast partner James Romero, that Dutch is "very sick" and in the hospital, and will be there for some time. He doesn't go further, though I have seen some speculation and at least one comment claiming to know what is happening, though without providing any proof. Here is James' update about Dutch and the podcast, which was going to be using pre-recorded content, for December, before any of this happened..... Meanwhile, Joe Cazana's JCP Southeast promotion has become the second "territory"of Billy Corgan's NWA. Cazana is the grandson of John Cazana, who promoted Knoxville in the 50s and worked with the Fullers, in the 70s and early 80s. So, yeah..there's two major powerhouses to rebuild the NWA system! ![O_o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/browraise.png)
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Post by driver1980 on Dec 13, 2023 11:14:41 GMT -5
Thirty years ago today:
I wish that the WWF had had an actual women’s division back when Alundra Blayze was champion. Back then, the so-called ‘division’ consisted of Alundra simply feuding with one opponent at a time. Yet in the 2020s, we have an entire Rumble for women, which is great progress.
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Post by driver1980 on Dec 13, 2023 11:22:35 GMT -5
On this day 35 years ago, Survivor Series 1988 aired on PPV, taking place at the Richfield Coliseum, Ohio: ![](https://i.imgur.com/PqgtUpj.jpg) This is a great PPV. The 10-on-10 tag match was brilliant, and it shows just how far the tag team division fell years later. No way could they have done such a match like that in he 2000s. The ending was a tad confusing, though. Forgive my idiocy, but I thought Mr. Fuji had turned babyface. And then I realised the Powers of Pain had turned heel, but they won the match when Barbarian pinned Uno of The Conquistadors - who were heels. I got it in the end. Team Hacksaw/Jake Roberts vs Team Andre/Dino Bravo was a good mix of talent, and is perhaps my favourite match on the card. Team Warrior/Brutus Beefcake vs Team Outlaw Ron Bass/Team Honky Tonk Man is solid, but I think the most memorable moment is Bad News Brown abandoning his team after teammate Greg Valentine accidentally hit him. As Jesse Ventura stated, “I don’t think this guy can get along with anyone!” Team Hogan/Macho Man vs Team Big Boss Man/Akeem was a good main event, with many memorable moments, such as Slick taunting a handcuffed Hogan by showing him the keys. It all ended on a good note, with the babyface team getting the victory. As I'm working my way through WWF history, I'm getting close to Survivor Series 1992, which, as Vince McMahan points out, is held in the same place as this inaugural Survivor Series. As far as what you said about the tag team division falling, it's already gotten pretty weak. They haven't revealed the full card yet for where I am at in time, but I'm not seeing any 10 on 10 matches, and only one 8 on 8 match, and that has the rule that when one tag team partner gets eliminated, they both have to leave - which I don't like. It almost makes it like a regular 2 on 2 tag match. I would like to see more of the 8 on 8 or 10 on 10 matches, and without that stipulation, in Survivor Series. As far as Bad News Brown, I think he walked off in every single Survivor Series he participated in. I don't know why anyone would want him on their team. From what I've heard, he wasn't exactly a warm, cuddly guy in real life, either. Man, how did the Twin Towers never win a tag team championship?? I look forward to your review. Here’s the official program from the time: ![](https://i.imgur.com/egGES80.jpg)
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 13, 2023 11:52:52 GMT -5
Thirty years ago today: I wish that the WWF had had an actual women’s division back when Alundra Blayze was champion. Back then, the so-called ‘division’ consisted of Alundra simply feuding with one opponent at a time. Yet in the 2020s, we have an entire Rumble for women, which is great progress. Well, they did bring in a couple; but, in that period, you didn't have a ton of great women working in the US. Anyone really good was working in Japan and then you had small pockets working here and there, usually as a matched set. There was Bambi & Peggy Lee Leather, who wrestled all over, Candi Devine, Heidi Lee Morgan, Terry Power (Terry Poch aka Tori, in the WWF, in the Attitude era and on Tough Enough), Reggie Bennett, Rhonda Singh and maybe some of the older performers around. Rhonda Singh was brought in, as Bertha Faye, but worked primarily in Japan, as did Reggie Bennett and I think Terry worked there quite a bit. If they had imported some of the women from Japan and Mexico, as well as those working in the US, they might have been able to put something together; but, Vince never cared about it, any more than he did about tag teams. He might throw it in, now and then; but, it wasn't his focus. WCW didn't either and the women were always treated as a special attraction. Every attempt at a women's promotion, in the US failed, until recently, even with some great talent, like the LPWA. David McLane has had 3 (4 really, though he recycled a name) attempts at a women's promotion: GLOW, POWW, and WOW (in two separate periods). POWW even worked with the AWA, though it was two things that weren't drawing not drawing together. They could have made a serious stab at it when Rockin' Robin won the title from Sheri Martel; but, Vince wasn't interested. At least Madusa got to have fairly competitive matches, even more than the AWA ones she had, though she had also spent quite a while in Japan, by that point and had progressed far beyond her AWA stint.
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Post by driver1980 on Dec 13, 2023 12:20:05 GMT -5
As you probably know, no more WWE physical media will be produced in the UK after Crown Jewel 2023 is released. (I believe physical media for WWE events ceased in North America 2 years ago) WWF physical media began here in 1989 via the licensee Silver Vision. They released a lot of tapes which had initially been released by Coliseum Video in the States, but there were some UK exclusives such as this: ![](https://i.imgur.com/MVit3Fg.jpg) Silver Vision lost the licence in 2012, when Fremantle took over. And now that comes to an end. Here’s the statement from Fremantle: ![](https://i.imgur.com/2A7rF7k.png)
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 13, 2023 13:29:43 GMT -5
Studios are mostly getting out of it, too. I get it, but I don't like having to subscribe to streaming platforms and similar, or purchasing digital, then having it disappear. Wrestling content, though, I never cared as much. I bought some, had taped some; but, I found that I didn't enjoy it as much as watching it live (or watching the taped program, the first time). So, they sat there gathering dust, while I rewatched various movies and tv tapes/discs.
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Post by driver1980 on Dec 13, 2023 14:41:07 GMT -5
Studios are mostly getting out of it, too. I get it, but I don't like having to subscribe to streaming platforms and similar, or purchasing digital, then having it disappear. Wrestling content, though, I never cared as much. I bought some, had taped some; but, I found that I didn't enjoy it as much as watching it live (or watching the taped program, the first time). So, they sat there gathering dust, while I rewatched various movies and tv tapes/discs. Well, my advice to you is this: I’d go to eBay and make sure you get hold of the tapes Hulk Hogan: Real American and The Best of Hulkamania because I don’t think either of those are on the Network. Get them or risk not seeing them!
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 13, 2023 15:02:59 GMT -5
Studios are mostly getting out of it, too. I get it, but I don't like having to subscribe to streaming platforms and similar, or purchasing digital, then having it disappear. Wrestling content, though, I never cared as much. I bought some, had taped some; but, I found that I didn't enjoy it as much as watching it live (or watching the taped program, the first time). So, they sat there gathering dust, while I rewatched various movies and tv tapes/discs. Well, my advice to you is this: I’d go to eBay and make sure you get hold of the tapes Hulk Hogan: Real American and The Best of Hulkamania because I don’t think either of those are on the Network. Get them or risk not seeing them! You know, the only thing I own with Hulk Hogan is Rocky III and I think that pretty much says everything there is to say about him.
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Post by dbutler69 on Dec 15, 2023 14:25:25 GMT -5
I just started mixing in some WCW with my WWF viewing. I'm at 1992, and I'm just wondering, was the WCW ring smaller than the WWF ring? It looks smaller to me, for some reason.
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Dec 15, 2023 15:25:34 GMT -5
Yes, it was smaller. WWF/WWE basically kept the old boxing ring size
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 15, 2023 22:09:31 GMT -5
The WWF/E used a 20 x 20 ring, while WCW and most promotions used an 18 x 18. Some smaller shows and smaller outfits used a 16 x 16, which was the old boxing standard (which also changed, to bigger ones, over the years. to 24 x 24)
Cornette comments on ring sizes, mentioning that the AWA used a 20 x 20, which makes sense, as they promoted some bigger cities and arenas, as did the traditional WWF.
Corny also mentions Memphis building a 30 x 30 ring, for a 50-man battle royal, used only twice. He also comments on the differences, aside from square footage, in terms of working.
It's kind of like panel progressions in comics. He says that people felt the WCW matches seemed faster and more energetic and he mentions that they used cable ring ropes, which had more spring and were sturdier, so they hit the ropes faster. The WWF used actual rope, which had less give. In comics, you can speed up or slow down action by changing the number of panels you used. fewere panels make the action go faster, while more panels slows things down and allows for more story. Archie Goodwin and Walt Simonson used this to get the most out of their shorter Manhunter stories, in Detective, as they could get more story in there, with more panels, then cut back, when something big happens, to give it a faster flow.
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