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Post by driver1980 on May 11, 2024 4:17:05 GMT -5
I watched Bash at the Beach 1994 recently. This really kicks off the Hulk Hogan era, brother! First Match is the TV Title Match with Lord Stephen Regal (champ) w/Sir William vs. Johnny B. Badd. Badd is a replacement for the injured Sting. I don’t know what the real injury is, but the kayfabe explanation is that Sensual Sherri raked him in the eyes and caused cornea damage. Regal wins by reversing a sunset flip attempt by Badd. The end was slightly botched, I think, but overall I thought this a very good match. Next match is Vader (w/Harley Race) vs. the Guardian Angel.The feud between these two continues. Angel showed some impressive power moves and Vader (!) showed some impressive agility moves (like a spinning heel kick and of course his moonsault) and overall this was a good match. However, at the end, the ref takes a weak looking bump, then Vader takes a telescoping night stick and attempt to hit Angel with it. Angel dodges it then gets the nightstick from Vader. Angel stands there holding the stick, but doesn’t use it. Then the ref recovers, sees Angel holding the stick, and disqualifies him, even though he didn’t use it! So Vader wins via DQ. This was a good match with an awful ending. I guess maybe they were trying to protect Guardian Angel for a future matchup between these two but this was still dumb. Next match is a tag team match with the Stud Stable (Bunkhouse Buck and Terry Funk) w/ Col. Parker and Meng vs.Arn Anderson and Dustin Rhodes. Dustin has been feuding with Colonel Parker, and Funk still holds a grudge against the Rhodes family, so here you go. Dustin chose Arn Anderson as his tag team partner for this match. Let’s see how that goes. Rhodes takes on both Studs for pretty much all of this match, then he finally tags in Arn Anderson, who promptly DDT’s Dustin then puts the prone Terry Funk on top of Rhodes for the pin. Good heel turn here by Anderson. The match itself was just okay, I though. Not bad, certainly, and did have some nice Dustin vs. two guys at once spots, but perhaps a bit too much of that. Next match is for the US title: Champ Stunning Steve Austin vs. Ricky the Dragon Steamboat.This was a great match. Austin wins in about 20 minutes by rolling through a Steamboat crossbody and using the ropes for leverage for the pin. Good pace and good storytelling here. There was a cool sequence here where the two of them kept reversing Tombstone attempts. Unfortunately, Steamboat’s career will come to an end soon due to an injury. Also worth noting that Col. Parker is no longer Austin’s manager. Next is the Tag Team Title Match: Pretty Wonderful (Paul Orndorff & Paul Roma) vs. Cactus Jack & Kevin Sullivan (c) (w/ Dave Sullivan). Okay, this match was awful, IMHO. Boring and much too long at over 20 minutes. Plus, the ending was really stupid. Orndorff pinned Jack (after Jack had hit a double arm DDT – his finisher – but the ref was too distracted to see the pin) with the aid of Roma holding Jack’s feet from the outside. However, it is impossible to believe that the ref didn’t see that. Nearly half of Jack’s body was outside the ring! Plus, Roma was holding Jack’s feet down even before the ref came over to count the pin. How could the ref have not seen this? Answer, he couldn’t have missed it. I guess Jack got himself in trouble by spitting on the tag team belt during an ECW promo so losing the title was a foregone conclusion, anyway. Way to get the crowd revved up for the main event, WCW. Next is the main event, the WCW Title Match: Hulk Hogan (w/ Mr. T & Jimmy Hart) vs. Ric Flair (c) (w/ Sensuous Sherri). I’m not sure why Hulk Hogan needs Mr. T “for security reasons” Does he think Sensual Sherri is going to beat him up on the outside? Well, more on that later. Anyway, Shaquille O’Neil is there and will present the belt to the winner, and of course Michael Buffer does the ring announcement for this main event. The crowd is seriously behind Hogan here. That would not be the case in other WCW cities, so they were smart to host this in Orlando, near Hulk’s stomping grounds. They kept saying that Hogan hadn’t wrestled in 2-3 years. That’s not true. He wrestled just a year ago against Yokozuna at King of the Ring. A couple of (not seated together) Hulk Hogan look alikes in the first row. I pity the fools. Hogan actually does some real wrestling moves early on! Also, Hulk with his usual heroic biting and hair pulling. Sherri is about to clobber Hogan with a chair outside the ring, and Jimmy Hart has to make the save? Where is Mr. T? Isn’t that exactly what he’s here for? Later on, Sherri attack Jimmy Hart. Again, what is Mr. T doing? Finaly, towards the end of the match, after Hogan knocks Sherri out of the ring, Mr. T earns his paycheck by picking her up and carrying her away. In the end, of course Hogan wins with the boot to the face off the Irish whip, followed by the leg drop, followed by the cover. Yawn. And we have a new champion! And Shaquille O’Neil is happy! And Bobby Heenan is miserable! Heenan’s reaction to all this is great. Okay, overall, I thought this was a good match. As far as Hogan matches go, I have no complaints. I do think, however, they’d have been better off if Flair retained the belt here due to some chicanery to set up a rematch, but I guess WCW (or Hogan himself) couldn’t wait to put the belt on Hogan. A bit shortsighted. All in all, a very good PPV. One bad match, but all the other matches were at least good, with one great match (Austin-Steamboat) and the main event was good, if not great. The countdown show for this match focused on Hogan, Hogan, Hogan! You’d have thought there weren’t any other matches. Like WrestleMania VI, the hype was really about one match. I’d say most of the matches were reasonable, although, and I say this as a fan of the Vader/Guardian Angel feud, that ending was a dud. Now, what about Hogan/Flair? Firstly, one had to laugh at the hype. As you say, Hogan had wrestled Yokozuna the year before. His last WWF bout was against Yokozuna during a European tour. He had also wrestled against Tatsumi Fujinami at NJPW’s Battlefield in January 1994. And, of course, despite the announcers claiming this was the first match between the two, the pair had wrestled on WWF soil. I know hype is hype (a bit like the pre-WM III claims that Andre was undefeated and had never been slammed). I don’t suppose WCW could or would have referenced their WWF past, but they didn’t need to state that this was Hogan’s first match in years. They had to know that discerning wrestling fans would see through that. Had social media been around back then, they would probably not have tried that. (Hashtag #HoganActuallyWrestledSixMonthsAgoInJapan). As for the bout, it was spirited. I believe both men brought a ton of enthusiasm. The emotion and atmosphere was rather magical. There was the novelty of seeing them wrestle for the first time on WCW soil and on PPV. Were they still in their primes back then? In a sense, yes. I feel Hogan had to win to give the fans something to be joyful about. At the time, I did feel excited about the future of WCW. Naively, I expected we might see Hogan vs. Austin, or that we’d see some altruism by the Hulkster. Instead, he turned WCW into his personal fiefdom. Incidentally, Power Slam was a semi-insider wrestling magazine published here in the UK. In their third issues, published in the summer of 1994, editor Findlay Martin interviewed Maxx Payne, one question involving WCW. I have the issue to hand, here’s an interesting response from Payne:
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Post by driver1980 on May 11, 2024 4:19:22 GMT -5
^That Maxx Payne comment made me smile. I don’t necessarily disagree. But through 2024 eyes, Hogan and Flair were young compared with the likes of Chris Jericho and The Rock today.
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Post by dbutler69 on May 11, 2024 8:01:59 GMT -5
Maxx's comments seem spot on though hey, as far as age, if a guy is bringing in money, why should the company care how old he is?
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Post by driver1980 on May 11, 2024 8:16:03 GMT -5
Maxx's comments seem spot on though hey, as far as age, if a guy is bringing in money, why should the company care how old he is? True. I mean, if Jericho and The Rock can bring in money for AEW and WWE, so be it. Flair still seemed to have it in 1994, and Hogan’s enthusiasm in 1994 seemed good (and his fitness was probably reasonable). Sad thing is, and we’ll get into it no doubt, is how they overstayed their welcome. When Hogan won yet another world title in 1999, my reaction was, “Come on, let the spotlight go, pass the torch.” Hogan and Flair could have really passed the torch well, I feel.
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Post by Batflunkie on May 11, 2024 13:23:36 GMT -5
Hey Driver, as a British Wrestling fan, how do you feel about Big Daddy?
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Post by driver1980 on May 11, 2024 13:30:31 GMT -5
Hey Driver, as a British Wrestling fan, how do you feel about Big Daddy? I enjoyed the likes of him and Giant Haystacks as a kid, British wrestling was the first wrestling I watched. Big Daddy had a larger-than-life quality that appealed to me, and he was as close to a real-life superhero as one could have expected back then. Catweazle was probably my favourite, though:
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Post by codystarbuck on May 11, 2024 17:52:04 GMT -5
Maxx's comments seem spot on though hey, as far as age, if a guy is bringing in money, why should the company care how old he is? Thing is, by the time a performer is that age, his job is to help develop and elevate the next generation. Flair did that throughout his career. Hogan, not so much (and pretty much not at all, in WCW...and no I don't count Goldberg, because he helped cut the legs off of that). That's how Heyman used Terry Funk, that was Harley Race's job in his last title run and numerous other examples I could name. You can draw money in the short term with a Flair or Hogan on top; but, in the long term, you will draw more money if they help make a new generation of stars who carry on the role, into the future. I think Maxx's comments were directed more to the idea that Hogan came in, young talent got cut loose, then Hogan worked with the same old guys, who weren't big draws anymore, rather than help create new stars who would mean something beyond the next PPV.
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Post by driver1980 on May 11, 2024 18:05:16 GMT -5
When Hogan did elevate anyone in WCW, it always came at a cost, eh? Lose a championship? Okay, but not by pinfall. Lose a championship by pinfall? Fine, but regain it a week later. Let someone else have the world title? Good, but Hogan still gets to main event.
Spoilers ahead for anyone who may view the PPVs, but it was so silly how Hogan beat Vader in a strap match at Uncensored ‘95 - by dragging an interfering Ric Flair from turnbuckle to turnbuckle.
Hogan loses his first WCW World Championship without being pinned. He loses it via DQ to The Giant when it is revealed that turncoat Jimmy Hart signed the contract which allowed for a world championship loss via DQ.
Luger elevates the fans’ joy by beating Hogan for the world championship on an episode of Nitro in 1997, but Hogan wins it back on PPV a week later.
Hogan loses the world championship to Goldberg, but then main events the subsequent PPVs. And then we get the Fingerpoke of Doom nonsense.
Hogan got more and more selfish as time went on. By 1999/2000, and this wasn’t gonna happen with his creative control, he should have been thinking about winding down and beginning the transition to elevating talent.
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Post by commond on May 11, 2024 18:34:48 GMT -5
The only access I had to WCW in 1994 was weekly episodes of Worldwide that were several months behind, but I remember it being quite surreal whenever another friend of Hogan's would show up. Ultimately, they did big business with the WWF guys, but for fans like me, what Bischoff and Hogan did was change the identity of WCW from a Southern style promotion to a more generic product. Pretty much everything I loved about WCW disappeared once Hogan arrived. Can't say I blame Bischoff since the things I loved weren't drawing money, but I never cared for the Hogan era WCW as much as the early post-Crockett years. That said, you have to move with the times, and there's no doubt that 1996 WCW with the NWO angle and the influx of international talent was cutting edge for its time and made the early 90s stuff look obsolete, especially when they went live each Monday night. They played into their core fanbase's prejudices by having the WWF guys become the heels. There were some growing pains, though, with the awful 1995 product.
I do think it made sense to run Hogan vs. Flair out of the gate. I'm not sure they would have ran it as many times as they did in '94 in the modern era, but it seems the wanted to do something big out of the gate and Vince hadn't given folks the Hogan vs. Flair match that WCW fans wanted to see. It would have been nice if we'd seen a more nuanced version of the Hulkster instead of the same old WWF schtick, but I guess Hogan thought that shit was part of his brand.
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Post by driver1980 on May 12, 2024 4:16:50 GMT -5
Anyone remember this video?
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Post by driver1980 on May 12, 2024 5:29:02 GMT -5
Is this photoshopped? Hogan never held the Intercontinental Championship. The only time I know of him challenging for it is WM VI, a title vs. title match between world champion Hogan and Intercontinental champion Ultimate Warrior. That photo looks like the mid-to-late 80s, but there is no logical reason why Hogan would be challenging for or holding aloft that belt. So I’m not sure what the story is. Best guess: an Intercontinental champion (such as Honky Tonk Man) challenged Hogan for the world title, Hogan won, and for some random reason, snatched the IC belt from his opponent and posed to the crowd.
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Post by dbutler69 on May 12, 2024 8:04:08 GMT -5
That sounds like something Hogan would do, though I certainly wouldn't discount the possibility of photoshopping.
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Post by driver1980 on May 12, 2024 8:56:25 GMT -5
That sounds like something Hogan would do, though I certainly wouldn't discount the possibility of photoshopping. I often thought a good way of Hogan passing the torch in WWF or WCW would have been to challenge for either the IC or US Championships. His interview could have been something like this: ”Brother, I’m winding my career down, I have to come off the treadmill, but I would like to give all my Hulkamaniacs the opportunity to see me challenge for the Intercontinental Championship, a belt with much prestige! I’ve held the world championship more than once, and Hulkamania will live forever, but I would like to end my career by giving all my Hulkamaniacs one final run. So, let me put it out there to the Intercontinental Champion: will you give the Hulkster a shot, BROTHER?!”And then we could have seen Hogan add another championship to his accolades (a U.S. Championship reign might have been more fun), before he loses the belt to an up and coming talent. I know some might argue, why would a multiple-time world champion go for a belt of lesser renown? Well, renown is renown. My football team, Aston Villa, might win the UEFA Football League, but if they did next time, I’d be happy to see them also win our national competition, the FA Cup. If a national team wins the FIFA World Cup, it won’t preclude them also competing in and winning the European Cup. So I feel that there’s plenty of good reasons, even within the kayfabe world of wrestling, for a former world champion to challenge for a regional championship. A Hogan run with the IC/US championship might have been good for him and others.
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Post by dbutler69 on May 12, 2024 11:40:15 GMT -5
That sounds like something Hogan would do, though I certainly wouldn't discount the possibility of photoshopping. I often thought a good way of Hogan passing the torch in WWF or WCW would have been to challenge for either the IC or US Championships. His interview could have been something like this: ”Brother, I’m winding my career down, I have to come off the treadmill, but I would like to give all my Hulkamaniacs the opportunity to see me challenge for the Intercontinental Championship, a belt with much prestige! I’ve held the world championship more than once, and Hulkamania will live forever, but I would like to end my career by giving all my Hulkamaniacs one final run. So, let me put it out there to the Intercontinental Champion: will you give the Hulkster a shot, BROTHER?!”And then we could have seen Hogan add another championship to his accolades (a U.S. Championship reign might have been more fun), before he loses the belt to an up and coming talent. I know some might argue, why would a multiple-time world champion go for a belt of lesser renown? Well, renown is renown. My football team, Aston Villa, might win the UEFA Football League, but if they did next time, I’d be happy to see them also win our national competition, the FA Cup. If a national team wins the FIFA World Cup, it won’t preclude them also competing in and winning the European Cup. So I feel that there’s plenty of good reasons, even within the kayfabe world of wrestling, for a former world champion to challenge for a regional championship. A Hogan run with the IC/US championship might have been good for him and others. But an entire football team doesn't have the ego of Hulk Hogan, so that would never happen. By the way, your fictional Hogan quote should have had a few more "brother"s sprinkled in there.
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Post by driver1980 on May 12, 2024 11:59:51 GMT -5
I think the guy who headlined Wembley Stadium, brought Simon Cowell to the US, and almost became bass player for Metallica is entitled to an ego, right?
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