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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 16, 2019 0:48:50 GMT -5
Yeah, Tony wrestled all over and was Boy Tony, in Memphis. Started out as a jobber for the Poffos and then worked in Southwest and for Bill Watts, Memphis, World Class (and the USWA version). Good solid wrestler but never had the size or charisma for a main eventer; but, always a solid mid-card guy.
Here's Tony Falk's Waffles & Tire Irons commercial...
Tony worked quite a bit with James Storm, when he started out, and has connections to Cornette and some of the others involved. Plus, he sells the whole thing perfectly.
The commercials are fake and they did a Kayfabe Cocktails one, with Austin Idol, as well as a legit one for Idols Universal Wrestling College.
Idol's done some work as a manager for Nick Aldis, early in his run as champion and has been involved in other things. The NWA channel has him discussing the plane crash that he was in (killed Bobby Shane), along with Gary Hart and some others, in Florida.
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Post by wickedmountain on Nov 16, 2019 4:56:10 GMT -5
I grew up in central Illinois, which wasn't exactly a hotspot for pro wrestling. Chicago had been the biggest promotion in the nation, for years, including national tv on the Dumont network. Our local tv got wrestling shows a couple of times in the 70s and 80s, from the WWA (World Wrestling Association) promotion, out of Indianapolis (run by Dick the Bruiser and Wilbur Snyder). The first time we got it was after their zenith, with guys like Bobby Heenan, the Blackjacks, Baron Von Raschke, the Legionnaires, the Chain Gang and Cowboy Bob Ellis. By the time we saw them (later 70s) they had guys like Jerry Valiant, Dr Jerry Graham Jr, Bruiser and Snyder, their sons-in-law Spike Huber & Steve Regal (as the Young Lions tag-team) Golden Boy Paul Christy, the Great Wojo (who had been a top amateur) and Lord Zoltan, who had a KISS gimmick. We got them again around 1981, with some of the same crowd, then they were off the tv. They occasionally did shows in Springfield, Peoria, Champaign; but, never came through Decatur, near where I lived. Around 1982, we got the Poffo Family ICW (International Championship Wrestling), with Macho man Randy Savage, brother Leaping Lanny Poffo, father Angelo Poffo (as the masked Miser), One Man Gang Ronnie Garvin, Pistol Pez Whatley, Hustler Rip Rogers, George Weingeroff (a 2nd generation, whose father was manager Saul Weingeroff), Gary Royal, Rick Starr (Rogers, Royal and Starr were the Convertible Blonds, swiping the Freebirds gimmick), the Great Tio and his son, Chief Tapu. Randy Savage was champion and this was before he went to the WWF. They had some great talent and ran more angles, which the WWA hadn't and this made me a wrestling fan. Savage was amazing to watch, with his athleticism and his deranged promos. Lanny and Weingeroff were a tag-team, often feuding with the Convertible Blods. Ronnie Garvin had the Southeastern title and defended against Pez and challenged Randy for their World title. Also wrestling there was George Gray, who was known as Crusher Broomfield, recreating angles that had made Crusher Jerry Blackwell a hit in the Knoxville, TN promotion, for the Fullers. Broomfield would go on to wrestle in Mid-South and World Class as the One Man Gang, before going to the WWF as One Man Gang, then turned into Akeem, the African Dream (a rib on American Dream Dusty Rhodes). ICW put on shows in Decatur and Springfield, on a regular basis. We also got a couple of cards from the Kansas City-based Central States promotion, with Harley Race wrestling Andre the Giant, Kerry Von Erich winning a battle royale and another cad with Race defending the NWA World championship against Dick the Bruiser. The Poffos ran what was known as an outlaw territory, not affiliated with the NWA and running in opposition to the established promoter (Jerry Jarrett's Memphis-based promotion, in Kentucky, Tennessee and Indiana). Garvin and some others had broken away from the Fuller's Knoxville-based Southeast Championship Wrestling promotion, with Garvin taking their Southeastern belt. Fuller tried to sue to get it back but, wouldn't break kayfabe in court and admit that the promotion owned the belt and chose who was champion. Since he didn't do that, the court ruled the belt was the champion's property and Garvin had been the champion! Randy Savage used to issue challenges to Jerry Lawler, to face him and both promotions were in Lexington, KY, one night and everyone was packing firearms. Cooler heads prevailed. Savage did confront Superstar Bill Dundee once and Dundee di pull out a gun. The Poffos buried the hatchet with Jarrett and went to wrestle for them, with Savage challenging Jerry Lawler and Randy and Lanny occasionally wrestling as a tag-team, especially against the Rock n Roll Express. I saw Memphis, while visiting relatives, in southern Illinois. their tv came from Terre Haute and Evansville, IN and Memphis regularly visited Evansville and they carried the tv show. There I watched Jerry Lawler, Dutch Mantell, Bill Dundee, Bobby Eaton, Koko B Ware, the original Midnight Express (Norvell Austin, Dennis Condrey and Randy Rose), Jimmy Hart Robert Gibson (pre-Rock n Roll Express) and his older brother Rickie Gibson, and Andy Kaufman doing his gimmick with Lawler. They actually had several matches, not just the one featured on tv news and talk shows. This was the stuff you see in Man on the Moon. We got cable around the summer of 1982 and I finally got to see Georgia Championship wrestling (now known as World Championship wrestling, with Paul orndorff, Ivan Koloff, Tommy Rich, Buzz Sawyer, Masked Superstar, Mr Wrestling II and the Wild Samoans (Afa & Sika). I saw the debut of the Road Warriors, a rookie Rick Rude (using the spelling of his real name, Rood), Roddy Piper, Jack Brisco (occasionally, as he owned a piece of the territory), Ole Anderson, Stan Hansen, Tito Santana, Brad Armstrong, Tom Pritchard. Ric Flair would come through to defend the NWA title, Dusty Rhodes would do some shots, the Iron Sheik was there; lots of greats. At the same time, the USA Network showed the monthly Madison Square Garden matches of the WWF, on Mondays, and I saw Tony Atlas, Greg Valentine, Bob Backlund, Tiger Mask, Jimmy Snuka, Pedro Morales, Don Muraco, Cowboy Bob Orton Jr, Andre, Blackjack Mulligan, Superstar Billie Graham, Big John Studd, Freddie Blassie, Lou Albano and the Grand Wizard. USA also showed Sothwest Championship Wrestling, promoted by Joe Blanchard, where I saw Tully Blanchard, Bob Sweetan, Wahoo McDaniel, Scott Casey, The Grappler (Len Denton) and Nick Bockwinkle defend the AWA World title. The WWF soon took over the Sunday wrestling spot from Southwest and launched All-American Wrestling, with the dawn of Hulkamania and everyone who came through there. I cheked in regularly with the WWF (mostly watching the syndicated Superstars program); but, preferred NWA wrestling. The Sunday program on WTBS showed reruns of the Saturday WCW show, plus matches from Alabama, Florida, Mid-Atlantic, AWA and Mid-South. Then, they started carrying Mid-south, right about the time that Vince McMahon bought the Saturday WTBS timeslot out from under Georgia. However, he was running tapes, instead of live studio wrestling and fans complained. the Georgia guys got a Saturday morning slot, while Mid-South ran on Sundays and did better ratings. Then, McMahon sold to Jim Crockett, who ran Mid-Atlantic and they took over the Saturday show, which became generally known as Crockett or the NWA, as they became the de facto lead promotion in the Alliance. When ESPN added the AWA, I watched it (Greg Gagne, Nick Bockwinkle, Baron Von Raschke, the Road Warriors, Curt Hennig, Scott Hall, Larry Zbysko, the Midnight Rickers, etc..) and when they began to show World Class, with the Von Erichs (Kerry had his accident, which cost him his foot) and a young Jim Hellwig, as the Dingo Warrior. he went to the WWF to become the Ultimate Warrior. rick Rude was also there, as were Chris Adamas,Brian Adidas, Iceman King Parsons, the Simpson Brothers, and Skandor Ackbar. For a time in college, I watched the WWF syndicated show, the NWA Saturday show and the AWA Wednesday show (which was preceded by Roller Derby). When I graduated, I went to Supply Corps School, in Athens, GA, for 6 months. WATL in Atlanta broadcast a 6 hour block of wrestling on Saturday evenings. It had one of the NWA syndicated shows, Memphis, Puerto Rico, Continental, and USA Knoxville. I would also see NWA, WWF and the dying days of the AWA. I also caught Polynesian Pacific Wrestling, while in Hawaii, on a midshipman training cruise. This promotion was run by the Rock's grandparents, High Chief Peter Maivia and his wife, Lia (Rock's father, Rocky Johnson, is married to their daughter, Atta). I also used to catch Central States and the Mid-South/UWF, while staying in St Louis, during college summers. From high school until I left the military, I was a fanatic, reading some of the magazines, watching any wrestling I could and any tapes. I had tapes of some Japanese matches (especially Tiger Mask and Dynamite kid) a few from mexico (had an Ultimo Dragon compilation of matches from Mexico and Japan and the J-Crown tournament, where they united 8 junior heavyweight/cruiserweight belts. Ultimo Dragon held the titles when he came to WCW (which I watched during the Monday Night Wars era), won their Cruiserweight title and still separately held the NWA Middleweight title, in Mexico, giving him 10 championships, simultaneously. The titles were broken up after the WWF sent a cease and decist, as one of the belts was the old WWF Lt Hwt title, which was defended in the UWA promotion, in Mexico. The WWF used to have a talent exchange agreement with them and New Japan Pro Wrestling and created a Lt Hwt Title belt for the UWA and the WWF Lt Hwt title was being defended in Japan, by guys like Tatsumi Fujinami, Tiger Mask, Dynamite Kid and the Cobra. The New Japan titles were also the WWF International title and the International Tag-Team titles. When they broke off the affiliation, New Japan rebranded the titles as the IWGP titles (International Wrestling Grand Prix, which had been a tournament championship, before). I've since been able to watch some British wrestling on Youtube, from old World of Sport clips, with Marc "Rollerball" Rocco, Dave "Fit" Finlay, Leon Aris (aka Brian Glover, the actor), Adrian Street, Johnny Saint, Robbie Brookside,Kendo Nagasaki, Les Kellett, Steven/William Regal and as little Big Daddy as I can stomach. So, yeah, I went from the local territory days, to the cable days, Monday Night Wars and tape trading and Youtube. Haven't watched since WCW went under, as WWF, without competition, became stale and the scripted promos and bad comedy skits were unwatchable. Also, the quality of mat wrestling deteriorated, in exchange for lots of high spots, with no psychology. I prefer mat technicians and guys who can tell a story, in a match, without rehearsing it. In the territory days, they were given a finish and a length and went out and improvised in the ring. promos were unscripted and it had a more real feel; or, at least, it was easier to suspend disbelief. Never watched GLOW, though, as the matches were horrible and the skits were corny. Ironically, I love the Netflix series. The founder of GLOW, David McLane, had been the announcer and play-by-play guy for the WWA, in the mid-80s, when they were on life support. He was annoying then and his presence was enough to not make me watch the original GLOW. In the tv series, Bash is partially him and partially the money man, who owned the Riviera Casino, where they taped the shows. I've also watched the early wrestling movies, like The Wrestler, with Ed Asner and Verne Gagne and the AWA crew of the period (Dusty Rhodes & Dick Murdoch, Bruiser & Crusher, Nick Bockwinkle, a young brown-haired Ric Flair), Rocky 3, with the match against Hogan, as Thunderlips, Henry Winkler in The One and Only, the Sheik's I Like to Hurt People, Roddy Piper's Bodyslam (with Dirk benedict), All the Marbles (with Peter Falk and Burt Young, feature a womens tag-team, trying for the championship), No Holds Barred (ugh...wanted my money back) and a few others. These days, I might watch some old stuff on Youtube and hangout at the Wrestling Classics Message Board, though not as much as here. Wow man awesome story You ever on kayfabe memories wrestling board ?
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Post by wickedmountain on Nov 16, 2019 4:58:43 GMT -5
Yeah, Tony wrestled all over and was Boy Tony, in Memphis. Started out as a jobber for the Poffos and then worked in Southwest and for Bill Watts, Memphis, World Class (and the USWA version). Good solid wrestler but never had the size or charisma for a main eventer; but, always a solid mid-card guy. Here's Tony Falk's Waffles & Tire Irons commercial... Tony worked quite a bit with James Storm, when he started out, and has connections to Cornette and some of the others involved. Plus, he sells the whole thing perfectly. The commercials are fake and they did a Kayfabe Cocktails one, with Austin Idol, as well as a legit one for Idols Universal Wrestling College. Idol's done some work as a manager for Nick Aldis, early in his run as champion and has been involved in other things. The NWA channel has him discussing the plane crash that he was in (killed Bobby Shane), along with Gary Hart and some others, in Florida. Thanks for this link man
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 16, 2019 7:53:47 GMT -5
I grew up in central Illinois, which wasn't exactly a hotspot for pro wrestling. Chicago had been the biggest promotion in the nation, for years, including national tv on the Dumont network. Our local tv got wrestling shows a couple of times in the 70s and 80s, from the WWA (World Wrestling Association) promotion, out of Indianapolis (run by Dick the Bruiser and Wilbur Snyder). The first time we got it was after their zenith, with guys like Bobby Heenan, the Blackjacks, Baron Von Raschke, the Legionnaires, the Chain Gang and Cowboy Bob Ellis. By the time we saw them (later 70s) they had guys like Jerry Valiant, Dr Jerry Graham Jr, Bruiser and Snyder, their sons-in-law Spike Huber & Steve Regal (as the Young Lions tag-team) Golden Boy Paul Christy, the Great Wojo (who had been a top amateur) and Lord Zoltan, who had a KISS gimmick. We got them again around 1981, with some of the same crowd, then they were off the tv. They occasionally did shows in Springfield, Peoria, Champaign; but, never came through Decatur, near where I lived. Around 1982, we got the Poffo Family ICW (International Championship Wrestling), with Macho man Randy Savage, brother Leaping Lanny Poffo, father Angelo Poffo (as the masked Miser), One Man Gang Ronnie Garvin, Pistol Pez Whatley, Hustler Rip Rogers, George Weingeroff (a 2nd generation, whose father was manager Saul Weingeroff), Gary Royal, Rick Starr (Rogers, Royal and Starr were the Convertible Blonds, swiping the Freebirds gimmick), the Great Tio and his son, Chief Tapu. Randy Savage was champion and this was before he went to the WWF. They had some great talent and ran more angles, which the WWA hadn't and this made me a wrestling fan. Savage was amazing to watch, with his athleticism and his deranged promos. Lanny and Weingeroff were a tag-team, often feuding with the Convertible Blods. Ronnie Garvin had the Southeastern title and defended against Pez and challenged Randy for their World title. Also wrestling there was George Gray, who was known as Crusher Broomfield, recreating angles that had made Crusher Jerry Blackwell a hit in the Knoxville, TN promotion, for the Fullers. Broomfield would go on to wrestle in Mid-South and World Class as the One Man Gang, before going to the WWF as One Man Gang, then turned into Akeem, the African Dream (a rib on American Dream Dusty Rhodes). ICW put on shows in Decatur and Springfield, on a regular basis. We also got a couple of cards from the Kansas City-based Central States promotion, with Harley Race wrestling Andre the Giant, Kerry Von Erich winning a battle royale and another cad with Race defending the NWA World championship against Dick the Bruiser. The Poffos ran what was known as an outlaw territory, not affiliated with the NWA and running in opposition to the established promoter (Jerry Jarrett's Memphis-based promotion, in Kentucky, Tennessee and Indiana). Garvin and some others had broken away from the Fuller's Knoxville-based Southeast Championship Wrestling promotion, with Garvin taking their Southeastern belt. Fuller tried to sue to get it back but, wouldn't break kayfabe in court and admit that the promotion owned the belt and chose who was champion. Since he didn't do that, the court ruled the belt was the champion's property and Garvin had been the champion! Randy Savage used to issue challenges to Jerry Lawler, to face him and both promotions were in Lexington, KY, one night and everyone was packing firearms. Cooler heads prevailed. Savage did confront Superstar Bill Dundee once and Dundee di pull out a gun. The Poffos buried the hatchet with Jarrett and went to wrestle for them, with Savage challenging Jerry Lawler and Randy and Lanny occasionally wrestling as a tag-team, especially against the Rock n Roll Express. I saw Memphis, while visiting relatives, in southern Illinois. their tv came from Terre Haute and Evansville, IN and Memphis regularly visited Evansville and they carried the tv show. There I watched Jerry Lawler, Dutch Mantell, Bill Dundee, Bobby Eaton, Koko B Ware, the original Midnight Express (Norvell Austin, Dennis Condrey and Randy Rose), Jimmy Hart Robert Gibson (pre-Rock n Roll Express) and his older brother Rickie Gibson, and Andy Kaufman doing his gimmick with Lawler. They actually had several matches, not just the one featured on tv news and talk shows. This was the stuff you see in Man on the Moon. We got cable around the summer of 1982 and I finally got to see Georgia Championship wrestling (now known as World Championship wrestling, with Paul orndorff, Ivan Koloff, Tommy Rich, Buzz Sawyer, Masked Superstar, Mr Wrestling II and the Wild Samoans (Afa & Sika). I saw the debut of the Road Warriors, a rookie Rick Rude (using the spelling of his real name, Rood), Roddy Piper, Jack Brisco (occasionally, as he owned a piece of the territory), Ole Anderson, Stan Hansen, Tito Santana, Brad Armstrong, Tom Pritchard. Ric Flair would come through to defend the NWA title, Dusty Rhodes would do some shots, the Iron Sheik was there; lots of greats. At the same time, the USA Network showed the monthly Madison Square Garden matches of the WWF, on Mondays, and I saw Tony Atlas, Greg Valentine, Bob Backlund, Tiger Mask, Jimmy Snuka, Pedro Morales, Don Muraco, Cowboy Bob Orton Jr, Andre, Blackjack Mulligan, Superstar Billie Graham, Big John Studd, Freddie Blassie, Lou Albano and the Grand Wizard. USA also showed Sothwest Championship Wrestling, promoted by Joe Blanchard, where I saw Tully Blanchard, Bob Sweetan, Wahoo McDaniel, Scott Casey, The Grappler (Len Denton) and Nick Bockwinkle defend the AWA World title. The WWF soon took over the Sunday wrestling spot from Southwest and launched All-American Wrestling, with the dawn of Hulkamania and everyone who came through there. I cheked in regularly with the WWF (mostly watching the syndicated Superstars program); but, preferred NWA wrestling. The Sunday program on WTBS showed reruns of the Saturday WCW show, plus matches from Alabama, Florida, Mid-Atlantic, AWA and Mid-South. Then, they started carrying Mid-south, right about the time that Vince McMahon bought the Saturday WTBS timeslot out from under Georgia. However, he was running tapes, instead of live studio wrestling and fans complained. the Georgia guys got a Saturday morning slot, while Mid-South ran on Sundays and did better ratings. Then, McMahon sold to Jim Crockett, who ran Mid-Atlantic and they took over the Saturday show, which became generally known as Crockett or the NWA, as they became the de facto lead promotion in the Alliance. When ESPN added the AWA, I watched it (Greg Gagne, Nick Bockwinkle, Baron Von Raschke, the Road Warriors, Curt Hennig, Scott Hall, Larry Zbysko, the Midnight Rickers, etc..) and when they began to show World Class, with the Von Erichs (Kerry had his accident, which cost him his foot) and a young Jim Hellwig, as the Dingo Warrior. he went to the WWF to become the Ultimate Warrior. rick Rude was also there, as were Chris Adamas,Brian Adidas, Iceman King Parsons, the Simpson Brothers, and Skandor Ackbar. For a time in college, I watched the WWF syndicated show, the NWA Saturday show and the AWA Wednesday show (which was preceded by Roller Derby). When I graduated, I went to Supply Corps School, in Athens, GA, for 6 months. WATL in Atlanta broadcast a 6 hour block of wrestling on Saturday evenings. It had one of the NWA syndicated shows, Memphis, Puerto Rico, Continental, and USA Knoxville. I would also see NWA, WWF and the dying days of the AWA. I also caught Polynesian Pacific Wrestling, while in Hawaii, on a midshipman training cruise. This promotion was run by the Rock's grandparents, High Chief Peter Maivia and his wife, Lia (Rock's father, Rocky Johnson, is married to their daughter, Atta). I also used to catch Central States and the Mid-South/UWF, while staying in St Louis, during college summers. From high school until I left the military, I was a fanatic, reading some of the magazines, watching any wrestling I could and any tapes. I had tapes of some Japanese matches (especially Tiger Mask and Dynamite kid) a few from mexico (had an Ultimo Dragon compilation of matches from Mexico and Japan and the J-Crown tournament, where they united 8 junior heavyweight/cruiserweight belts. Ultimo Dragon held the titles when he came to WCW (which I watched during the Monday Night Wars era), won their Cruiserweight title and still separately held the NWA Middleweight title, in Mexico, giving him 10 championships, simultaneously. The titles were broken up after the WWF sent a cease and decist, as one of the belts was the old WWF Lt Hwt title, which was defended in the UWA promotion, in Mexico. The WWF used to have a talent exchange agreement with them and New Japan Pro Wrestling and created a Lt Hwt Title belt for the UWA and the WWF Lt Hwt title was being defended in Japan, by guys like Tatsumi Fujinami, Tiger Mask, Dynamite Kid and the Cobra. The New Japan titles were also the WWF International title and the International Tag-Team titles. When they broke off the affiliation, New Japan rebranded the titles as the IWGP titles (International Wrestling Grand Prix, which had been a tournament championship, before). I've since been able to watch some British wrestling on Youtube, from old World of Sport clips, with Marc "Rollerball" Rocco, Dave "Fit" Finlay, Leon Aris (aka Brian Glover, the actor), Adrian Street, Johnny Saint, Robbie Brookside,Kendo Nagasaki, Les Kellett, Steven/William Regal and as little Big Daddy as I can stomach. So, yeah, I went from the local territory days, to the cable days, Monday Night Wars and tape trading and Youtube. Haven't watched since WCW went under, as WWF, without competition, became stale and the scripted promos and bad comedy skits were unwatchable. Also, the quality of mat wrestling deteriorated, in exchange for lots of high spots, with no psychology. I prefer mat technicians and guys who can tell a story, in a match, without rehearsing it. In the territory days, they were given a finish and a length and went out and improvised in the ring. promos were unscripted and it had a more real feel; or, at least, it was easier to suspend disbelief. Never watched GLOW, though, as the matches were horrible and the skits were corny. Ironically, I love the Netflix series. The founder of GLOW, David McLane, had been the announcer and play-by-play guy for the WWA, in the mid-80s, when they were on life support. He was annoying then and his presence was enough to not make me watch the original GLOW. In the tv series, Bash is partially him and partially the money man, who owned the Riviera Casino, where they taped the shows. I've also watched the early wrestling movies, like The Wrestler, with Ed Asner and Verne Gagne and the AWA crew of the period (Dusty Rhodes & Dick Murdoch, Bruiser & Crusher, Nick Bockwinkle, a young brown-haired Ric Flair), Rocky 3, with the match against Hogan, as Thunderlips, Henry Winkler in The One and Only, the Sheik's I Like to Hurt People, Roddy Piper's Bodyslam (with Dirk benedict), All the Marbles (with Peter Falk and Burt Young, feature a womens tag-team, trying for the championship), No Holds Barred (ugh...wanted my money back) and a few others. These days, I might watch some old stuff on Youtube and hangout at the Wrestling Classics Message Board, though not as much as here. Wow man awesome story You ever on kayfabe memories wrestling board ? Some years back, yeah. I used the name Silver Tiger there and posted for a while, mostly on the Poffo ICW section. I post on the Wrestling Classics board, with the same screen name as here; but, haven't posted much in a while, as the discussions on there have degenerated a lot, since Mark Nulty passed away. Too much juvenile nonsense and a lot of topics in which I have little interest.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 8:28:56 GMT -5
I do remember the Lethal Lottery just barely and that concept is very unique indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 9:13:42 GMT -5
I do remember the Lethal Lottery just barely and that concept is very unique indeed. I remember hoping it'd be resurrected. If the WWF had lacked an ego, they might have used the concept. A "Lethal Lottery"-only PPV on WWF soil could have led to some interesting match-ups. Imagine in, say, early 1995, Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels vs. Razor Ramon and Jeff Jarrett (one example). Any excuse to mix up faces and heels was always welcomed by me. It's one of many reasons I enjoyed the Royal Rumble, it was every man for himself. As discussed before, that's where King of the Ring went wrong for me, the tournament, for the most part, didn't mix up the faces and heels enough. Imagine a heel vs. heel KOTR final? Might have been intriguing. My nature means I am intrigued by bad guy vs. bad guy, not just in wrestling. Loved seeing Skeletor and Hordak go at in the MOTU franchise. Would love more comic book villain battles, e.g. Dr. Octopus vs. Dr. Doom or Kraven vs. Lizard. So it was great to see heels battle heels. I was surprised to see Adam Bomb and Bam Bam Bigelow battle the Quebecers in '94 as Johnny Polo was managing both Bomb and the Quebecers. I wonder whose side he was on.
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Post by wickedmountain on Nov 16, 2019 11:30:05 GMT -5
I do remember the Lethal Lottery just barely and that concept is very unique indeed. I Remember that too was a cool idea
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Post by wickedmountain on Nov 16, 2019 14:17:25 GMT -5
Apparently Kayfabe memories site is down at least the message board is has been for a few months . I wonder what is going on ?
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 16, 2019 20:26:15 GMT -5
Apparently Kayfabe memories site is down at least the message board is has been for a few months . I wonder what is going on ? That was a topic at the Wrestling Classics board; no one knew. Sounded like it had been dormant for several years and probably just shut down. I know you can still pull up the belt galleries and some features; but, that's about it.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 16, 2019 20:33:32 GMT -5
The Poffo ICW did something similar to the Lethal Lottery, with a tag-team tournament. The US tag titles were held up after a match between the Convertible Blonds (Gary Royal, Rip Rogers and Rick Starr) and Leaping Lanny & George Weingeroff. They were put up in a tournament and teams were made, via random selection. There were some heel and babyface teams (I think Lanny ended up with a heel partner) and Ronnie Garvin (face) was teamed with Chief Tapu (also a face). They lost to the Great Tio and his partner (can't recall who that was) and Garvin, later on tv, revealed that Tapu was the son of Tio (they had actually teamed before and after, though no one really knows if they are father and son, brothers, or related at all). He basically took a dive for dad, which led to Tapu turning heel and teaming with his father. Hustler Rip Rogers was teamed up with Pistol Pez Whatley and they won the tournament and continued as the new form of the Convertible Blonds, with Whatley bleaching his hair (for a short time).
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Post by wickedmountain on Nov 17, 2019 0:01:09 GMT -5
Apparently Kayfabe memories site is down at least the message board is has been for a few months . I wonder what is going on ? That was a topic at the Wrestling Classics board; no one knew. Sounded like it had been dormant for several years and probably just shut down. I know you can still pull up the belt galleries and some features; but, that's about it. Yea i commented over there at wrestling classics and said it's still down . It's sad there is some great info over there i wonder why it's still shut down ?
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 17, 2019 19:30:16 GMT -5
Photo Gallery from the Big Event, in New York.This was a fan fest and wrestling show. NWA World Champion Nick Aldis was there, plenty of names from the 80s, 90s and 00s, including Mil Mascaras, Lex Luger, Magnum TA, Tully Blanchard (nad daughter Tessa, who is Magnum's step-daughter), Arn Anderson, Scott Steiner, Buff Bagwell, Patriot (Del Wilkes), Road Dogg (Brian "Armstrong" James), Shockmaster/Typhoon (Fred Ottman), Barry Horowitz, Road Warrior Animal, Kurt Angle, Doom (Butch Reed and Ron Simmons), Tank Abbott, Lisa Marie Varon, Gail Kim, Mike George (KC wrestler; also worked for Watts), Rhyno, D-Von Dudley, Steve Corino, Downtown Bruno/Harvey Whippleman, Hillbilly Jim, and tons more.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 17, 2019 20:36:33 GMT -5
Thunder Rosa's fight at Combate Americas...
This was her first MMA fight........ever! In an interview with the This Is The NWA podcast, she said she was more relaxed by the third round and she is better in that round; but, she is only 5 ft 3in and gave up a lot of reach to her opponent. Nadine was also more skilled at punch/kick combos and could keep Thunder out of grappling range. She was also better on the ground. Thunder kept fighting and had a lot of heart, but really needs to work on her kick defense, being more aggressive in taking the fight to her opponent and working on grappling takedowns. If she was a more experienced grappler, sho probably would have gone for a single leg takedown at least 2 or 3 times. Also, she had opportunities for body punches that could have slowed her opponent and relieved some of the attack she was defending.
All credit though; she fought hard and didn't let a cut near her eye stop her. Should do wonders for further elevating her profile in wrestling.
Commentary also mentions the upcoming fight between UFC star Tito Ortiz and Alberto Del Rio (Alberto Rodriguez, aka Dos Caras Jr, aka Alberto El Patron). Del Rio has fought MMA before and was a highly regarded wrestler before going professional in lucha. He fought in Pride, as Dos Caras Jr, with a modified mask. His father, Dos Caras Sr, was always the best of the three Rodriguez brothers (Dos Caras, Mil Mascaras, and Sicodelico).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 8:42:39 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing that. I have bookmarked it and will watch it. As I said before, I think MMA and boxing talk is most welcome here (it makes sense not to create separate threads for boxing and MMA). If I miss any boxing or MMA news, or matches, post them here.
On wrestling, I was thinking about the Bret Hart vs. Undertaker match from the 1996 Royal Rumble, where Hart defended the WWF Championship against the Dead Man. After 30 minutes of action, it ended with a DQ win for the Undertaker due to Diesel's interference.
At the time, I was extremely disappointed. If ever there was a bout that needed a decisive finish.
If memory serves me right, the 30-Man Rumble in 1988 wasn't the main event (wasn't it the second-to-last match?). But from 1989 to 1995, the 30-Man Rumble was the main event. For whatever reason, in 1996, they chose to put the WWF Championship match on last. Which was fine. But if you're gonna do that, then have a decisive finish!
Of course, in WWF's defence, there's a lot going on. They were clearly preparing Shawn Michaels for a championship reign. If Undertaker had won the title, would they have had him face Michaels at WrestleMania XII? Or have him lose the belt prior to that PPV so that the original plan for Bret/Shawn could go ahead? I suppose they could have had Bret Hart pin Undertaker in this match, leaving the Bret/Shawn plan undisturbed? But would that have dented Undertaker's aura?
Whatever the reason, or whatever they could have done, having a world title match go 30 minutes, and then end in a DQ, was something that pissed me off at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 8:52:17 GMT -5
On wrestling, I was thinking about the Bret Hart vs. Undertaker match from the 1996 Royal Rumble, where Hart defended the WWF Championship against the Dead Man. After 30 minutes of action, it ended with a DQ win for the Undertaker due to Diesel's interference. At the time, I was extremely disappointed. If ever there was a bout that needed a decisive finish. I was too, and I was hoping that the Undertaker would win that match and I was a bit irritated that Diesel interfered and allowed Hart to retain the title. The 30 minute match was a total waste of time.
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