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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 14, 2019 15:09:00 GMT -5
Now, Nit-Twits on Twitter are screaming for JR's blood, for referring to Emmie Sakura as "oriental," which he immediately corrected to "Asian."
Corny & Brian Last discuss it on the podcast and Brian brings up an OP-ED, by an Asian-American writer. It was in response to an Obama-era executive order, removing "oriental" from all government documents. The initiative was spurred by an Asian-American representative. The OP-ED piece refuted the idea that the word "oriental" was racist, as it literally means "of the East." They and no one they ever knew had the word used against them as a slur, but had plenty of others which were not used in polite society. They found the use of "Japs" to be far worse, with its history during the war and even after. It started as a shortening of "Japanese," but grew far worse as wartime fervor and the stripping of civil rights made it a term of hatred, rather than a conjunction. The writer echoes Brian and Jim's points about context and intent needing to be necessary for racism to be present.
Once again, those baying for blood are predominantly white suburbans, not the alleged targets of "racism." I'm all for a polite society that respects the wishes of a culture to be referred to by a chosen representative word; but, different generations have different ideas about what term applies. Of course, the ideal should not require the use of qualifiers, but the same address to everyone. Education is still a better method for for change than knee-jerk confrontation, when there is no malicious intent. Also, I doubt many minority groups need white suburbans to speak for them; they can handle it quite well on their own.
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 14, 2019 15:11:44 GMT -5
There is a story up that Chris Jericho called a meeting of the AEW lockerroom to take the young guys to task for ignoring the referees in matches and not using the "rules" of tag-team matches. He pointed out the sloppy storytelling and the burying of the refs.
Now if he and Cody would get on them about making their moves mean something and actually build a match, not just a stunt show.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 16:10:16 GMT -5
There is a story up that Chris Jericho called a meeting of the AEW lockerroom to take the young guys to task for ignoring the referees in matches and not using the "rules" of tag-team matches. He pointed out the sloppy storytelling and the burying of the refs. Now if he and Cody would get on them about making their moves mean something and actually build a match, not just a stunt show. I noticed that too and that's the major reasons why I don't watch it anymore. I just hate watching Tag Team matches on Dynamite. It's so awkward and I'm completely baffled of how they managed to screw things up and made all tag team matches to perform without proper synchronizing that bothers me so much. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 17:39:25 GMT -5
There's definitely an art to tag team wrestling. I'm seeing that more than ever with old AWA tag bouts, particularly those involving Bobby Heenan and Nick Bockwinkel.
I grew up watching the likes of the Rockers taking on the Brain Busters. I love the psychology of tag team bouts: the quick tags, the cutting off of the ring area, the referee missing the faces' tags and not allowing them while often allowing heels to tag without being seen, etc.
I don't think tag team wrestling can simply be a "double your money" version of a singles bout. It has to have its own flavour.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 13:50:28 GMT -5
Undertaker Streak at Wrestlemania Ends Most shocking defeat of Undertaker Career and I was terribly upset about it and sad about it. That's the time I stopped watching Raw and Smackdown and simply cared less about Vince and Company. Imagined attending this Wrestlemania and seeing this and witness this and knowing that Brock Lesnar defeated the Undertaker and rightly so. This is the worst day of WWE history.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 14:02:54 GMT -5
Well, your final sentence says it's the worst day of WWE history, so I guess WWF history is fine, eh?  Gotta be honest, I didn't think the streak would ever end. Did Brock Lesnar need to be the one to end it? I don't think so. Personally, I thought Randy Orton should have ended it (2005). Or maybe Ted DiBiase Jr. years later. Lesnar didn't need the win. If I may play Devil's advocate for a moment, the streak was becoming predictable with each passing year. I like that Michaels had a crack at it (2009 and 2010), and then Triple H (2011 and 2012). But after so many years of Undertaker vanquishing opponents, the Streak, while impressive, had become akin to a snake eating its own tail. Again, I am playing Devil's advocate. I can't even remember when the streak was first mentioned. Obviously, Taker's first several Wrestlemanias were simply undercard matches, but as time went on, we got mention of a streak. Again, not sure when it first took on a life of its own. I do think its a shame he couldn't have retired with the streak intact. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 15, 2019 17:52:56 GMT -5
The NWA's Into the Fire PPV went down last night. Ashley Vox was injured in an attack by Thunder Rose and was out of the women's tag match, with former TNA Knockout champion ODB in as Allysin Kay's surprise partner, as they defeated Melina and Marti Belle. Suspect the angle was to cover a legit injury. Thuder had a solo match with Tasha Steelz that had not been advertised, taking her out of the tag match. Probably to highlight her, since she is the star of the women's division. Eli Drake beat Ken Anderson, then Anderson later attacked Drake, with a chair, and busted him up, with the comments that Anderson had "snapped." Question mark came out with Aron Stevens in a gi, as his student in Mongrovian ka-ra-tay! They sang the Mongrovian national anthem (Stevens carried the flag) and were interrupted by Trevor Murdoch. QM beat Murdoch with a double Mongrovian Spike, to the throat. Rock N Roll Express beat Wild Card to retain the title. RNR had Kingston & Homicide with them, while Wild Card had the Dawsons. Stevens, Ricky Starks and Colt Cabana had a 3-eay, for the National Title, which saw Stevens mostly hiding from the other two and QM interfering for him. Starks hit Cabana with a spear and Stevens got the cover and the belt. Nick Aldis successfully defended the NWA World title in a 2 out of 3 falls match, against James Storm. Brian Hebner refereed the first fall, and Tim Storm the second. Brian won the coin toss for the third, but was knocked down. Tim Storm took over and called the fall when James Storm was unconscious, in the Kingslyn Cloverleaf. This will probably further the "cuh-spiracy" angle, as Tim Storm was Aldis' choice as ref. Marty Scurll made a surprise appearance at the end, signalling he was done with Ring of Honor. He and Aldis are old friends and Aldis defended against him at the Crockett Cup, when the NWA & ROH were co-promoting. He was the only member of the Bullet Club/Elite not to defect to AEW. He has one of the better visual gimmicks out there, as The Villain, a sort of Victorian Penny Dreadful/Pulp/Steampunk super villain.  Stu Bennett, aka Wade Barrett, joined as color man, replacing Cornette. They announced the revival of the World Television title. I think another singles title, at this point, is overkill. The Observer had a rundown of the show here. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 15, 2019 18:01:59 GMT -5
ps They are continuing the historic belt design...  |
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 15, 2019 20:43:17 GMT -5
pps There was a a World TV title under the previous NWA administrations and they used this design; so, I don't know if this is a new belt or the same one that was being used. It's not the Crockett belt, which is too bad, as I liked the red leather for it, standing out from some of the other belts. This makes it look more like the Crockett version of the National title, before it was united with the US title.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 21:34:11 GMT -5
pps There was a a World TV title under the previous NWA administrations and they used this design; so, I don't know if this is a new belt or the same one that was being used. It's not the Crockett belt, which is too bad, as I liked the red leather for it, standing out from some of the other belts. This makes it look more like the Crockett version of the National title, before it was united with the US title.  I do like it ... to a extent and I did not care for the ABC and CBS at the end of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 21:38:45 GMT -5
Marty Scurll made a surprise appearance at the end, signalling he was done with Ring of Honor. He and Aldis are old friends and Aldis defended against him at the Crockett Cup, when the NWA & ROH were co-promoting. He was the only member of the Bullet Club/Elite not to defect to AEW. He has one of the better visual gimmicks out there, as The Villain, a sort of Victorian Penny Dreadful/Pulp/Steampunk super villain. I'm surprised to learn this and to see that Marty is to end his relationship with ROH. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 7:12:31 GMT -5
Today's question: should Roddy Piper have been given a world title run?
There are wrestlers who seem to need a world title (Hulk Hogan looked "naked" without one at times). There are wrestlers whose fates are intertwined with world titles. And then there are wrestlers who don't need a world title. It would add no value to them as a wrestler.
Jake Roberts is one. I paid for tickets to see Jake Roberts. I bought PPVs for Jake Roberts. I did not need or desire to buy a PPV/videotape of Jake Roberts to see him defend a title (any title), I bought tickets, PPVs and tapes to see Jake Roberts.
Could Piper be the same? Hmm...
I paid for tickets/PPVs/videotapes to see Piper wrestle. I am a Hulk Hogan fan. And I would have watched him regardless, but part of the appeal was seeing him defend the world title, whether in the WWF or WCW. Same with Ric Flair. Those guys' destinies seemed intertwined with world titles. But I can't say the same for Piper. Piper was Piper, belt or no belt.
That said, when Piper showed up in WCW in late 1996, I was rooting for him to win the world title. In fact, when I learnt that the Starrcade 1996 main event between Piper and world champion Hogan was a non-title bout, I was pissed off. A lot. I would have loved to have seen Piper, who didn't need a world title, have a caretaker reign, beating Hogan and then perhaps dropping it back to Hogan 2-3 months later. It never happened.
So while Piper didn't need a world title, in either the WWF or WCW, it might have been nice to see it. I do remember rooting for him at the 1992 Royal Rumble, shown live on Sky Sports here. He had won the Intercontinental title from the Mountie on the undercard. The vacant WWF Championship was up in the 30-Man Rumble. I remember thinking, 'Wow, if he wins that, he'll make history, being the only guy to win the Intercontinental Championship and WWF Championship on the same night.'
Incidentally, does anyone know why Piper cut ties with the WWF in 1996? He was interim president for a while - and cleaned Goldust's clock at WrestleMania XII. I was surprised when he showed up in WCW. I was wondering if anyone knew why he went to WCW.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 15:01:29 GMT -5
Piper should had given a clear shot for either WWF and/or WCW Title runs and I'm really in total lost of words why neither Companies and/or Factions never, really gave him a fair chance. I think he did not totally took care of himself and failed to really established him a serious contender. I just don't know the real answer to it and I'm completely baffled why he didn't made any attempt to challenge anyone. I'm just as confused why he joined WCW in 1996 and I think Cody could answer that to us.
I feel that Piper really need a World Title Run and win any darn belt in WWF and/or WCW (or even both) and make himself well known and forget about the promos that he did on Piper Pit and all that. I really not happy that he did not take care of himself better and thinking of himself and that's why I have a mixed feelings about him. I really liked the guy, he has charisma, a great gimmick, and a fantastic smile that charms you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 15:06:03 GMT -5
I was and am a Hulkamaniac (an objective one, as I hope my posts have shown over time). Even during his nWo era, I was still a fan, although you both know my views on how he should have "passed the torch" and done more jobs.
But I was pissed off at him in late 1996. I can't remember for sure, but something tells me that Starrcade 1996 main event was originally advertised as a world title match. If true, one wonders whether Hogan had a change of heart. It would have been a feelgood moment for the end of 1996 to see Piper win that world title, perhaps dropping it to Hogan 3 or 4 months later.
Some things are about timing. Piper was never in the right place (it would seem) to be in world title contention within the WWF. Hogan was king, Savage had his reign, Warrior had his reign, back to Hogan, on to Bret Hart, Diesel, Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin, etc. With Piper's career becoming more and more sporadic, I am not sure where the WWF would have fit in a world title reign. Would have been nice, though.
Don't tell anyone that I also wanted the Warlord to win the world title, he was one of my favourites, along with Barbarian, as a kid.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 17:49:11 GMT -5
I know your feelings (about Piper) and I just in total loss of words here; I would like to see the Warlord and the Barbarian as a tag team taking on the Legion of Doom and/or Demolition. I think they would work well together.
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