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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 14:12:28 GMT -5
Worth a read: DC's Dan DiDio on the Double-Edged Success of Reprinting Old ComicsI'm not sure what I can say that hasn't been said a thousand times before. Nostalgia isn't absolute. There are going to be things today that are better. But there are things that aren't. As a kid, I didn't need to buy several dozen tie-in books to follow a Thor or Batman arc. There weren't 100 Deadpool books and one-shots on the shelves. Sometimes, less is more. While we've covered this topic countless times, I am sure we'll have much to say for many years to come! EDIT: Part of me thought this should be in the Classic sub-forum, but it is Dan DiDio communicating now - and does concern about where the business goes next.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 21:05:27 GMT -5
I'm afraid reprints aren't something younger readers like. My youngest daughter (who is 25) reads comics but really doesn't read anything printed before the 90's. I guess it's the same reason younger people won't watch a B&W TV show. They feel it's too simplistic or silly.
Me? I loved reprints growing up. It was a way to read older stories cheaply. And we currently have access to many collections of old reprints. I suspect the only ones reading them are people like us here on this forum.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 5:04:28 GMT -5
Although reprints were not as ubiqitous during my childhood (80s), I always had a desire to read older stuff. And watch it. When BBC showed some 1930s Universal Monsters movies, that was great! I got to enjoy vintage Tarzan films, Laurel & Hardy, Abbot and Costello, etc. All thanks to the likes of the BBC and Channel 4.
So it was the same with comics. Even though reprints weren't as ubiqitous, it was great to get my hands on older things. In the late 80s, a UK licensee reprinted Detective Comics #27. As a kid, I wanted to read about all those great-looking stories I'd only seen images of.
I hope that the younger generation doesn't give up on vintage entertainment.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 28, 2019 7:08:30 GMT -5
Among them are the constant retellings of just about exactly the same stories. When it comes to superhero stories, I’d much rather have access to quality reprints of the good stories of the past (the stories we saw for the first time, like the Galactus trilogy or Shang-Chi’s duel with the cat) than unending and repetitive modern reinterpretations. However, I’m not too keen on facsimiles of old comics... Apart from the occasional Detective #27 or Action #1, I don’t much see the point in them and would rather have worthy stories collected in a book that reflects their relevance, like the IDW or Titan hardcovers. (I would also absolutely welcome very cheap and widely available reprints of old runs, as things like the Blue Ribbon digests were definitely a gateway to the DC universe as far as I was concerned. I want those next to the cash register at the grocery!!!)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 10:57:12 GMT -5
I hope that the younger generation doesn't give up on vintage entertainment. I'm afraid that my nephews and nieces does not enjoy any entertainment after 1970 and that's sadden me greatly and they told me that Adam West's Batman film in 1966 does not hold them dear except one man by the name of Tim who is my eldest niece husband that enjoys it. Sad, but true and I talked to a lot of my friends that has children that devalues this form of entertainment.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 28, 2019 16:32:50 GMT -5
However, I’m not too keen on facsimiles of old comics... Apart from the occasional Detective #27 or Action #1, I don’t much see the point in them and would rather have worthy stories collected in a book that reflects their relevance, like the IDW or Titan hardcovers. I'm not sure what you mean here, especially as you say you do like the DC digests of the late '70s-'80s. I guess I like not-so-facsmiles like the early Gladstone Donald Duck (and Gottfredson Mickey Mouse) reprint comics (with new cover by Daan Jippes) best, then their EC reprints (although the early '70s Russ Cochran ones are the nicest because they are closer to the original editions in quality of printing). I have most of the '70s tabloid-sized Famous First Editions and liked the ones that included the original cover, but I'd have liked them better closer to the original size (and I'm sure they didn't do them that way because of fears of people being fooled into paying a lot for them as if they were the originals which apparently even happened with the first few tabloid sized ones minus outer card stock cover). There are also the '80s Silver Age Classics DC put out with new ads and the original cover shown smaller on the front in a recurring frame. I have most of those but again the print quality was a bit poor. Still, they are affordable. I am loathe to dip a toe in the hardcover reprint collections area for fear of it leading to total bankruptcy they being usually pretty expensive. I think I just most like any comic to be standard U.S. comic book sized (they fit in with other comics I already have for one thing) with quality but not overly lavish printing. Others must feel the same as I've found those almost exact reprints done for J.C. Penny and those that are included with action-figures often seem to be pricey to try to get! I still don't even like the comics that are magazine format/sized or graphic-novels in their various shapes and dimensions that don't fit with anything else, it's like that one DVD or CD set that is uniquely packaged and has to be kept separate as it won't fit on the shelf with everything else. I guess a lot of people have gone into collecting the reprint hard-cover and other thicker Essential/Showcase books, but I like my reprints to be the most like their original presentation. Plus I like the color to be as close to the original appearance, which many of the collections are nothing like. I've found just about every reprint on baxter or glossy heavier bright white stocks to be uglier than the originals, with an exception for Neal Adams standing up well enough.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 28, 2019 17:07:01 GMT -5
However, I’m not too keen on facsimiles of old comics... Apart from the occasional Detective #27 or Action #1, I don’t much see the point in them and would rather have worthy stories collected in a book that reflects their relevance, like the IDW or Titan hardcovers. I'm not sure what you mean here, especially as you say you do like the DC digests of the late '70s-'80s. I guess I like not-so-facsmiles like the early Gladstone Donald Duck (and Gottfredson Mickey Mouse) reprint comics (with new cover by Daan Jippes) best, then their EC reprints (although the early '70s Russ Cochran ones are the nicest because they are closer to the original editions in quality of printing). I have most of the '70s tabloid-sized Famous First Editions and liked the ones that included the original cover, but I'd have liked them better closer to the original size (and I'm sure they didn't do them that way because of fears of people being fooled into paying a lot for them as if they were the originals which apparently even happened with the first few tabloid sized ones minus outer card stock cover). There are also the '80s Silver Age Classics DC put out with new ads and the original cover shown smaller on the front in a recurring frame. I have most of those but again the print quality was a bit poor. Still, they are affordable. I am loathe to dip a toe in the hardcover reprint collections area for fear of it leading to total bankruptcy they being usually pretty expensive. I think I just most like any comic to be standard U.S. comic book sized (they fit in with other comics I already have for one thing) with quality but not overly lavish printing. Others must feel the same as I've found those almost exact reprints done for J.C. Penny and those that are included with action-figures often seem to be pricey to try to get! I still don't even like the comics that are magazine format/sized or graphic-novels in their various shapes and dimensions that don't fit with anything else, it's like that one DVD or CD set that is uniquely packaged and has to be kept separate as it won't fit on the shelf with everything else. I guess a lot of people have gone into collecting the reprint hard-cover and other thicker Essential/Showcase books, but I like my reprints to be the most like their original presentation. Plus I like the color to be as close to the original appearance, which many of the collections are nothing like. I've found just about every reprint on baxter or glossy heavier bright white stocks to be uglier than the originals, with an exception for Neal Adams standing up well enough. Those were what I was thinking of, yes, as well as a facsimile of Action #1 that came out in those years. When it’s for a special anniversary, and when it features a truly important comic, such things are nice specialty items; however I would have no interest, in this day and age, in a line reprinting lesser comics unless the price was extremely low. Titles like Fantasy Masterpieces and Marvel Tales were fine when comics were still cheap, and they were even welcome because they were just about the only way to have access to old comics apart from getting the originals. But paying $3.99 a month for facsimiles of Batman #236 to #278? Nah, I would pass. If I can’t have the originals, I’d prefer either an ultra-cheap format (like digests) or big collections with a bigger bang for the buck. There are so many options nowadays! I agree with you on the colour, which is part of the reason I loved DC’s Blue Ribbon Digests so much. Somehow, despite the small pages, the art on cheap newsprint worked better for me than on the high quality paper used for the DC archives. The same goes for Dark Horse’s reprinting of Marvel’s Conan and Kull comics; while Kull was reprinted with the original colours (complete with benday dots), Conan was recoloured with an overabundance of Photoshop gradient effects that clashed badly with the line art. (Even Barry Smith’s own colouring was dumped in favour of the new stuff! Sacrilege!)
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Post by chadwilliam on Jul 28, 2019 18:47:02 GMT -5
I seem to be in the minority in that I would love it if DC did more of these on the condition that they wouldn't simply be reprinting the same old stuff (ie. Superman #75, Watchmen #1, etc.). I remember when they released their Millennium line back in 2000 and getting a kick simply out of a lot of the back up features contained therein. Roy Raymond, Silver Age Green Arrow and Aquaman, Golden Age Spectre and Doctor Fate, even the Superman story which followed the key feature "The World's Mightiest Team!" when Superman 76 was reprinted wasn't something you'd find elsewhere.
Pizza Hut did some Superman/Batman/Wonder Woman reprints back in the 70's and selected a couple of random issues to release for each character - Batman 122/123, Superman 97/113, Wonder Woman 60/62. These weren't key issues, they were just a sort of random sampling of what DC was doing back in the 50's with their biggest characters and therefore not the stuff you've seen reprinted ad nauseum. Imagine being able to pick up a copy of Batman 107 (2nd Printing) off the stands today. It's weird to me that more people aren't excited about that - I mean, it's not like DC is cancelling their new stuff in favour of old, just having the two completely different iterations sitting next to one another on the rack.
Something which puzzles me though - the article states that "DiDio polled the audience over just how many people in the room read DC’s Facsimile Editions" and "We do these Facsimile Editions where we reprint older issues of comics including all the old ads and stuff…and in some cases these are selling more than the new comics with these characters". However, all the information I can find online indicates that the line doesn't start until August. Has DC started putting these out already?
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 28, 2019 22:19:46 GMT -5
Oh, I forgot, we're in the midst of a spate of facsimile editions coming out and being pre-ordered. the only one I really took notice of is the one for Giant-Size X-Men #1. They don't look all that great and seem to be all key issues of some sort or another like Hulk #181. I am a bit tempted by a Batman #181 that says it was released July 5th as I used to have the comic (please don't tell me if that's now worth $1k or anything like that).
Yes, those 'Millennium' and 'Milestone' reprints, especially the ones of seemingly random golden age DCs and Qualitys are very attractive in a way too. Again, afraid to get hooked on getting them as there are some that seem quite expensive as back issues. I just can't bring myself to pay much for a reprint! I think I looked for a year before I found the Fantasy Masterpieces #1 that reprinted the 1968 Silver Surfer for under $5 that was still in acceptable condition, and I almost weep at the 100 Page and 80 Page giants I used to have when nobody much wanted them and some of those are at crazy prices now (although some had original content too, plus new covers that sometimes were brilliant).
Anyway, sorry I blanked out on the meaning of facsimile editions as something right now and current. I'm still undecided about the Giant-Size X-Men #1, it could be really gaudy inside or badly reproduced, hard to tell from just seeing the cover online (and I see it is side-stapled too, no square edge binding like the original).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 4:21:23 GMT -5
Do these facsimile editions have letters pages?
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Post by bor on Jul 30, 2019 4:08:16 GMT -5
I love reprint issues. I bought a handfull of them to take with me on vacation this summer. All from Marvel since that was what I had available to me. Some of it was stuff I have read before, like several Spider-man related issues, but some of the Starwars and Conan was not something I have ever read and enjoyed. For me Conan is one of those characters that I dont really need a large collection or omnibus of. A few stand alone issues are fine. As long as the price is good I am willing to check it out. Although I am likely to pass most of them on to friends or family. Although some of them I might use for class. I teach English as a second language for high school students here in Denmark and one of the subjects I sometimes use is one about comics/graphic novels. I think they will work fine for that.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 30, 2019 17:09:22 GMT -5
Do these facsimile editions have letters pages? I think the current batch from Marvel are supposed to but I don't know still not having gotten one. I can see the back covers are modern ads though so 'hoo nose'? I haven't even gotten one of those 'True Believers' editions. I would like any house ads for other comics or related stuff as well as bullpen page and letter page, but not to take things so far as to be able to fool some novice buyer into paying three or four figures for a copy thinking it's the original.
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Post by rberman on Aug 6, 2019 13:16:14 GMT -5
Who needs reprints? The "new stories" are mostly just rewrites of the old stories anyway!
Hmph!
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Post by badwolf on Aug 15, 2019 17:18:35 GMT -5
I bought a lot of the True Believer reprints. It's a great way to check out an older series without dropping a lot of money on a Masterworks or Omnibus (and you can do that later if you really like it.)
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Post by Nowhere Man on Aug 16, 2019 5:42:21 GMT -5
Didio expanded on his thoughts about the current market in an interview with ICv2Didio seems to understand that they need to expand the customer base and it's not going to come form the current direct market customer base if they continue the strategies that have been in lace by direct market publishers for the past (two) decade(s). Now whether he can actually successfully implement anything to address that is another matter altogether. -M It’s heartening that he’s willing to be honest about many of the flaws in the current model. That said, it’s interesting how he avoids outright naming things like over-reliance on events and decompressed storytelling in a serialized format.
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