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Post by electricmastro on Aug 17, 2019 12:08:04 GMT -5
I was going to argue that 1956 (or 1948, for that matter) is way too late for the Golden Age but since I've gone on record as not liking the whole Golden-Silver-Bronze Age paradigm, it seems kinda pointless. Cei-U! I summon the ambivalence! Almost like arbitrarily writing the history of comics by decade 😀. But I always advocate for the postwar "Atom" Age as a separate thing. I probably would have done that, but I figured it would be rather redundant to make multiple threads on topics that might as well be merged together. If it were for academic's sake, I probably would have divided it up more, but since this is ultimately for fun and amusement, I might as well have merged them. |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Aug 17, 2019 12:16:20 GMT -5
I was going to argue that 1956 (or 1948, for that matter) is way too late for the Golden Age but since I've gone on record as not liking the whole Golden-Silver-Bronze Age paradigm, it seems kinda pointless. As someone who has a history degree, I can objectively see your point about this - I'll readily acknowledge that it doesn't make much sense if you put some real thought into it, but I still find it's a useful shorthand. And I should add, it's far less pointless and meaningless than the generally accepted designations of generations (Greatest, Baby Boomer, Gen X, Millennial, etc.), each with their own unifying common traits and even worldviews, which doesn't stand up to any serious scrutiny - even though, again, I sometimes use them myself as a convenient shorthand.
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Post by beccabear67 on Aug 17, 2019 13:58:01 GMT -5
I could be wrong but Golden Age might originally have been a longer term... Golden Age Of Superheroes (late 1938-late 1945?) The period of predominantly newspaper strip reprints and things (Scribbly) in the same style was followed by a flowering of original to comic books characters (Superman, Crimson Avenger, Batman, Sheena, Archie). After the end of the war there was definitely a move toward adult themes with mini-booms in Crime, War and Love titles and the fading of the superheroes/costumed adventurers until the early '60s when the super folks took over again. The cartoon animals/l'il kids seem to have been more of a constant as well, and as Archie became from practically his first appearance. Silver Age also usually seems to mean Silver Age Of Superheroes.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Aug 17, 2019 14:30:49 GMT -5
As far as I know, beccabear67, the breakdown of comics eras into metallic ages is something pretty much only done by fans of American superhero comics. Those terms usually mean little or nothing to exclusive fans/collectors of, say, Disney and other funny animal comics, or Archie comics, etc. In fact, when Archie comics recently released the 'Americana' digest collections of its best stories broken down into two-decade chunks using the 'age' designations, their Golden Age covers 1940s and 1950s, the Silver Age the 1960s and 1970s, and the Bronze Age the 1980s and 1990s. |
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Post by electricmastro on Aug 17, 2019 17:13:15 GMT -5
I was going to argue that 1956 (or 1948, for that matter) is way too late for the Golden Age but since I've gone on record as not liking the whole Golden-Silver-Bronze Age paradigm, it seems kinda pointless. As someone who has a history degree, I can objectively see your point about this - I'll readily acknowledge that it doesn't make much sense if you put some real thought into it, but I still find it's a useful shorthand. And I should add, it's far less pointless and meaningless than the generally accepted designations of generations (Greatest, Baby Boomer, Gen X, Millennial, etc.), each with their own unifying common traits and even worldviews, which doesn't stand up to any serious scrutiny - even though, again, I sometimes use them myself as a convenient shorthand.
Yep, I think it's reasonable enough to say that determining what labels best fit what eras is still subjective no matter what. I thus titled the thread the way it is now not as an objective statement, but like you mentioned, as a useful shorthand. I could be wrong but Golden Age might originally have been a longer term... Golden Age Of Superheroes (late 1938-late 1945?) The period of predominantly newspaper strip reprints and things (Scribbly) in the same style was followed by a flowering of original to comic books characters (Superman, Crimson Avenger, Batman, Sheena, Archie). After the end of the war there was definitely a move toward adult themes with mini-booms in Crime, War and Love titles and the fading of the superheroes/costumed adventurers until the early '60s when the super folks took over again. The cartoon animals/l'il kids seem to have been more of a constant as well, and as Archie became from practically his first appearance. Silver Age also usually seems to mean Silver Age Of Superheroes. For what it's worth, when Acrobat as Captain America battled the Human Torch in Strange Tales #114 (November 1963), it showcased a cover which implied Captain America's past appearances (1941-1954) as being part of "The Golden Age of Comics," which may help divide the ages more assuredly.  There's also this message from Justice League of America #42 (February 1966).  |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Aug 19, 2019 0:05:37 GMT -5
I was going to argue that 1956 (or 1948, for that matter) is way too late for the Golden Age but since I've gone on record as not liking the whole Golden-Silver-Bronze Age paradigm, it seems kinda pointless. Cei-U! I summon the ambivalence! Yeah, I think favorite comics 1938-1956 is a fine idea for a thread, but the terminology bugged me a little. I tend to equate "Golden Age" with comics in their formative years, and EC signals an advance beyond that. Although I double super hate trying to stick an "atomic" age in the middle. Also Golden Age and Silver Age (in my mind) refer to superhero books only. T |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Aug 19, 2019 0:06:57 GMT -5
I was going to argue that 1956 (or 1948, for that matter) is way too late for the Golden Age but since I've gone on record as not liking the whole Golden-Silver-Bronze Age paradigm, it seems kinda pointless. Cei-U! I summon the ambivalence! But I always advocate for the postwar "Atom" Age as a separate thing. |
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Post by electricmastro on Aug 20, 2019 19:56:28 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 9:16:23 GMT -5
Cool Crossover Idea  When, I posted that Lady Luck cover on the Classic Comic Cover Association Thread ... this came to my mind of having Lady Luck in a crossover helping the Green Hornet fighting crime. I do like Lady Luck along with the Green Hornet too.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Aug 21, 2019 11:32:48 GMT -5
Lady Luck did crossover with the Spirit and Mr Mystic which has never been reprinted anywhere.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Aug 21, 2019 11:37:51 GMT -5
I'd rank Doll Man right up alongside Plastic Man in terms of consistently great storytelling. Had I lived through this time and you told me that only a select number of titles would be remembered today, I'd feel certain that Doll Man would be one of them. I don't think any comic company was better named than Quality. Readers agreed. Although his comic wasn't a monthly, it was also one of the very few Quality titles to carry on past the superhero heyday into the early 50s (along with Plastic Man and Blackhawk). |
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Post by electricmastro on Aug 21, 2019 14:21:24 GMT -5
When, I posted that Lady Luck cover on the Classic Comic Cover Association Thread ... this came to my mind of having Lady Luck in a crossover helping the Green Hornet fighting crime. I do like Lady Luck along with the Green Hornet too. Speaking of the Green Hornet, also worth mentioning is the Masks miniseries from 2012.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 14:24:12 GMT -5
Thanks for the reminder ... I need to get that mini-series. Thanks for your post here ... electricmastro |
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Post by electricmastro on Aug 22, 2019 21:04:35 GMT -5
Anyway, felt like bringing up the subject of Golden Age animal titles, one of which was Terry-Toons Comics, which featured characters such as Mighty Mouse!  |
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Post by beccabear67 on Aug 22, 2019 22:17:16 GMT -5
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