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Post by Duragizer on Aug 24, 2019 1:15:11 GMT -5
So Peter will continue to run around in a cyber Spideysuit and his supporting cast will continue to resemble their comic book counterparts in name only. The only differences will be no overt references to the greater MCU and Sony's trademark halfassed storytelling.
Wake me after these IPs fall into the public domain.
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Post by Duragizer on Aug 24, 2019 4:40:06 GMT -5
So Peter will continue to run around in a cyber Spideysuit and his supporting cast will continue to resemble their comic book counterparts in name only. The only differences will be no overt references to the greater MCU and Sony's trademark halfassed storytelling. Wake me after these IPs fall into the public domain. You and I and our grandchildren's grandchildren will be long gone before this stuff hits public domain. I dunno. I can see a Second Great Depression/Third World War cramping western capitalism's style within my lifetime. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Aug 24, 2019 6:05:50 GMT -5
You and I and our grandchildren's grandchildren will be long gone before this stuff hits public domain. I dunno. I can see a Second Great Depression/Third World War cramping western capitalism's style within my lifetime. That doesn't seem likely |
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Post by Duragizer on Aug 24, 2019 15:18:43 GMT -5
I dunno. I can see a Second Great Depression/Third World War cramping western capitalism's style within my lifetime. That doesn't seem likely You may be right. These past seven months have left me feeling extra cynical. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 16:31:08 GMT -5
I just want WB to buy Marvel and Sony - and then give us a Superman/Spider-Man film. I will buy them myself if I win the Euromillions lottery.
I don't blame Sony for protecting an iconic character. I'm sure they acquired the character in good faith many years ago. And - controversial opinion! - I would prefer to have Spidey back at Sony. I know that would mean sacrificing the possibility of a Spidey/FF team-up or Spidey appearing in future MCU movies, but that's my preference.
I also feel business trumps creativity with MCU Spidey. Are they tying Spidey into Stark's world because it makes storyline sense or because of the whole licensing thing?
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Post by rberman on Aug 24, 2019 16:44:28 GMT -5
I just want WB to buy Marvel and Sony - and then give us a Superman/Spider-Man film. I will buy them myself if I win the Euromillions lottery. Because WB has such vision for making great superhero films? Ugh, I'd rather Disney buy DC. It could happen! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 16:55:00 GMT -5
It was a joke. A Euromillions win wouldn't cover a quarter of the asking price of any studio.  |
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Post by Duragizer on Aug 24, 2019 16:58:16 GMT -5
I just want WB to buy Marvel and Sony - and then give us a Superman/Spider-Man film. I will buy them myself if I win the Euromillions lottery. Because WB has such vision for making great superhero films? Ugh, I'd rather Disney buy DC. It could happen! Sounds like the equal of two evils to me. |
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Post by rberman on Aug 24, 2019 18:29:48 GMT -5
Because WB has such vision for making great superhero films? Ugh, I'd rather Disney buy DC. It could happen! Sounds like the equal of two evils to me. Really? Not only has Marvel made zillions of dollars while DC is barely breaking even, but Marvel has proven far superior at breaking characters to the general public. Before recent DC films, audiences under 30 knew: Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman After recent DC films, audiences under 30 knew: those plus Aquaman, Harley, and Captain Marvel. But the only ones people are wearing on t-shirts are the original three plus Harley. Before the MCU, audiences under 30 knew: Spider-Man After the MCU, audiences under 30 knew and might well wear merch from: Spider-Man, Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Nick Fury, Black Widow, Ant-Man, Star-freaking-Lord, Draz, Gamora, Nebula, and Black Panther. It seems to me that only Doctor Strange and Captain Marvel have failed to capture public attention, probably because both those characters are annoying. I bet more people now know that Tony Stark is Iron Man than know that Wonder Woman's given name is Diana. Seems like pretty good metrics of a successful venture to me, even if us old jaded fans have seen and heard it all before. |
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Post by Duragizer on Aug 24, 2019 20:23:31 GMT -5
Sounds like the equal of two evils to me. Really? Not only has Marvel made zillions of dollars while DC is barely breaking even, but Marvel has proven far superior superior at breaking characters to the general public. Before recent DC films, audiences under 30 knew: Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman After recent DC films, audiences under 30 knew: those plus Aquaman, Harley, and Captain Marvel. But the only ones people are wearing on t-shirts are the original three plus Harley. Before the MCU, audiences under 30 knew: Spider-Man After the MCU, audiences under 30 knew and might well wear merch from: Spider-Man, Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Nick Fury, Black Widow, Ant-Man, Star-freaking-Lord, Draz, Gamora, Nebula, and Black Panther. It seems to me that only Doctor Strange and Captain Marvel have failed to capture public attention, probably because both those characters are annoying. I bet more people now know that Tony Stark is Iron Man than know that Wonder Woman's given name is Diana. Seems like pretty good metrics of a successful venture to me, even if us old jaded fans have seen and heard it all before. I'm an anti-capitalist in favour of copyright reform. I don't want to see Disney, Warner, or any other head of the Hollywood Hydra continue to profit off IPs which justly should've entered the public domain decades ago. |
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Post by rberman on Aug 24, 2019 20:27:36 GMT -5
Can't help you there!
I do think it's ridiculous for Mickey Mouse etc to still be corporate property nigh on 100 years after their creation. However, the MCU is a potent case for the contrary. It's taken sixty years (eighty for Captain America) for these heroes to finally get an adequate cinematic treatment. I doubt that would have happened without copyright exclusivity. Has any public domain character made a billion dollars in a film yet?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 13:01:12 GMT -5
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 28, 2019 6:30:48 GMT -5
The Dvd for Far from home gets released on October 1st, so I'll buy it and watch it for the first time.
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Post by spoon on Sept 28, 2019 17:39:41 GMT -5
I'm glad there were able to work things out.
I was more pro-Sony than most of the fans I saw opining on the internet. That's because things broke down because of Disney wanting a bigger share of the profits. Apparently, Sony was fine with the status quo, so the notion that Disney was a heroic figure standing up for the fun of a shared comic book universe is bull. Disney was willing to blow things up for money. In fact, I read that supposedly Disney axed a planned cameo by Spider-Man in the Venom movie. So Disney actually tried to scuttle one crossover.
In Kevin Feige's statement about the new deal, he explicitly mentioned that Spider-Man is the one character that can appear in different cinematic universes, suggesting he is now on-board with the notion of Spider-Man appearing in Sony films starring other Spider-Man related characters. I wonder if that was a key to the new deal. Maybe Sony agreed to some of Disney's greater financial demands because Disney now agreed that they wouldn't demand Spider-Man stay out of other Sony comic book films while appearing in the MCU.
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