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Post by rberman on Aug 28, 2019 16:58:58 GMT -5
Now we know what Mrs Partridge's day job was!  Don't you hate it when mothers make their daughters follow in their super-heroic footsteps?  |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 28, 2019 17:03:51 GMT -5
Captain America in the AvX crossover and its follow-ups. Breaking from his usual role as the defender of fairness, liberty and justice, he first behaved like a total fascist and then like a petty jerk. It was absolutely not in character.
Wolverine is supposed to be a bad boy, but y’know... a good bad boy.His cheating on Mariko in Madripoor was really sucky. His stabbing Rachel Summers through the heart in the pages of the X-Men because she intended to use lethal force against the villainous Selene was pretty hypocritical too, considering that his motivation was that “X-men don’t kill”.
Psylocke putting the moves on Cyclops (shortly after adjectiveless X-Men started) was good for soap operatic purposes, but it was a pretty crappy thing to do.
Peter Parker hitting his pregnant wife because he was angry is all sorts of bad.
Depending on the writer, it seems every character can suddenly behave like an ass!!!
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Post by Graphic Autist on Aug 28, 2019 17:10:45 GMT -5
Batman calling Robin a retard was pretty bad. Within hours of the kid's parents' death, too.  |
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Post by sabongero on Aug 28, 2019 19:40:19 GMT -5
Spidey ignores a thief running away from a Police officer to end up having the thief killing Uncle Ben was a very big bad.  I didn't even know about Peter acting this way. Wow! Whatever happened to the baby when it was born? |
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Post by beccabear67 on Aug 28, 2019 20:33:03 GMT -5
His stabbing Rachel Summers through the heart in the pages of the X-Men because she intended to use lethal force against the villainous Selene was pretty hypocritical too, considering that his motivation was that “X-men don’t kill”. That was the exact point where I did not read another X-Men comic for about thirty years! Bad Wolverine, bad! |
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Post by mikelmidnight on Aug 29, 2019 11:42:35 GMT -5
That run under the direction of Steve bothered me a lot and I did not enjoy it that much and can't wait for that run to end. He wrote the definitive Captain America, Avengers, and Batman runs to my mind, and other runs were excellent as well. I have never understood why his JLA was so bad. I suspect he didn't understand the 'group of well-adjusted friends' dynamic and tried to import Marvel-style soap opera, but did it by just grafting arbitrary character traits and conflicts onto the characters. Honestly, maybe he ought to have done the Gerry Conway thing of breaking the team up and bringing in a bunch of newbies who could tear into each other at his heart's content. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 12:35:32 GMT -5
That run under the direction of Steve bothered me a lot and I did not enjoy it that much and can't wait for that run to end. He wrote the definitive Captain America, Avengers, and Batman runs to my mind, and other runs were excellent as well. I have never understood why his JLA was so bad. I suspect he didn't understand the 'group of well-adjusted friends' dynamic and tried to import Marvel-style soap opera, but did it by just grafting arbitrary character traits and conflicts onto the characters. Honestly, maybe he ought to have done the Gerry Conway thing of breaking the team up and bringing in a bunch of newbies who could tear into each other at his heart's content. I can see where you grabbing at; but I did not care the way he handled Wonder Woman and that alone bothered me a lot; I did not read any of his Batman stuff, Avengers just barely ... the only one of the three is Captain America and that what I liked about his work. Thanks for your input. |
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Post by mikelmidnight on Aug 30, 2019 12:33:30 GMT -5
Definitely check out the Batman arc he did with Marshall Rogers! It's been collected numerous times and takes the character back to his roots while still seeming completely contemporary.
Suppose he'd broken up the team and had Batman or Aquaman putting together ... I dunno ... the Creeper, Mind-Grabber Kid, Sportsmaster, and Huntress as a new JLA. He could have had them bicker to his heart's content!
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Post by Confessor on Sept 1, 2019 18:07:27 GMT -5
I didn't even know about Peter acting this way. Wow! Whatever happened to the baby when it was born?It was stillborn. Or was it? It was kinda hinted at the time that perhaps the child wasn't actually dead and had instead been spirited away by Norman Osborn. Since then, the baby and any possible abduction of the child by Norman have been quietly ignored. |
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Post by chadwilliam on Sept 2, 2019 12:31:06 GMT -5
Kind of an obscure one, but the fact that it's never really been commented on in threads such as these calls it to mind.
In Brian Augustyn's JLA Annual #1 (1997), The Martian Manhunter suggests to the JLA that there might be more to a story about an alien which had been gunned down by hunters in the woods. The men claim that they acted in self-defence and images of them in the papers standing proudly in front of their kill confirms that something happened in the woods, but Manhunter isn't so sure that this wasn't a creature that was in distress that had crash landed on Earth.
He takes his concerns to the Justice League:
Batman: Sorry, this is a closed case. There's nothing more we can do.
Superman: I can't even see that there is anything we should do. These men acted in self-defence, after all.
Batman: Exactly. The Federal Inquest determined that there was no crime here. It was justifiable homicide... if such a term can even be applied to this creature.
The rest of the team is there - Flash argues that these hunters saw a big, scary guy with a gun and acted the way anyone would (completely neglecting the fact that the same could hold true for the visiting alien), Green Lantern points out that these guys saved the JLA from having to deal with this problem themselves - but no one exhibits anything less than extreme xenophobia in this situation despite the fact that they're talking to a man from Mars. When The Manhunter points out that Superman is an alien himself, Superman gets pissed off and counters "I've been seeing things from a human perspective my entire life... can you say the same?"
It's really ugly characterisation here - big, ugly alien gunned down and propped up as a trophy to ogled by the public; ergo, alien deserved to die.
And no, there's no revelation at the end of the story that the team was being mind-controlled to behave like this - these were their true beliefs.
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Post by sabongero on Sept 13, 2019 7:42:55 GMT -5
I finally remembered. I never really read the entire 12 issues of the Marvel Superheroes Secret Wars when it came it back in 1984. However, I had read a few of the issues. And one of the comic books I read was the issue where Spider-Man was eavesdropping on the X-Men, and they found out and he made them (the whole X-Men team) look like a second tier superhero team. I mean he embarrassed them. Then when Spider-Man was about to go tell Captain American and the other superheroes what he found out about the X-Men, he couldn't remember what he was going to tell Captain America, Reed Richards, and the rest of the other superheroes. This was because Professor X mindwiped Spider-Man so he wouldn't disclose the damaging information he found out about the X-Men. I forgot what issue number this was.
So back then Professor X was already behaving badly. Has anyone here read anything about Professor X mindwiping others as well, both superheroes, super-villains, or supporting characters ?
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Post by sabongero on Sept 13, 2019 7:44:46 GMT -5
I finally remembered. I never really read the entire 12 issues of the Marvel Superheroes Secret Wars when it came it back in 1984. However, I had read a few of the issues. And one of the comic books I read was the issue where Spider-Man was eavesdropping on the X-Men, and they found out and he made them (the whole X-Men team) look like a second tier superhero team. I mean he embarrassed them. Then when Spider-Man was about to go tell Captain American and the other superheroes what he found out about the X-Men, he couldn't remember what he was going to tell Captain America, Reed Richards, and the rest of the other superheroes. This was because Professor X mindwiped Spider-Man so he wouldn't disclose the damaging information he found out about the X-Men. I forgot what issue number this was. So back then Professor X was already behaving badly. Has anyone here read anything about Professor X mindwiping others as well, both superheroes, super-villains, or supporting characters ? I just googled it, and this came up. This must be it.  |
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Post by rberman on Sept 13, 2019 8:24:34 GMT -5
I finally remembered. I never really read the entire 12 issues of the Marvel Superheroes Secret Wars when it came it back in 1984. However, I had read a few of the issues. And one of the comic books I read was the issue where Spider-Man was eavesdropping on the X-Men, and they found out and he made them (the whole X-Men team) look like a second tier superhero team. I mean he embarrassed them. Then when Spider-Man was about to go tell Captain American and the other superheroes what he found out about the X-Men, he couldn't remember what he was going to tell Captain America, Reed Richards, and the rest of the other superheroes. This was because Professor X mindwiped Spider-Man so he wouldn't disclose the damaging information he found out about the X-Men. I forgot what issue number this was. So back then Professor X was already behaving badly. Has anyone here read anything about Professor X mindwiping others as well, both superheroes, super-villains, or supporting characters ? He does this all the time. Like in X-Men #3:  And in X-Men #13:  And in X-Men #19:  |
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Post by sabongero on Sept 13, 2019 15:27:50 GMT -5
I finally remembered. I never really read the entire 12 issues of the Marvel Superheroes Secret Wars when it came it back in 1984. However, I had read a few of the issues. And one of the comic books I read was the issue where Spider-Man was eavesdropping on the X-Men, and they found out and he made them (the whole X-Men team) look like a second tier superhero team. I mean he embarrassed them. Then when Spider-Man was about to go tell Captain American and the other superheroes what he found out about the X-Men, he couldn't remember what he was going to tell Captain America, Reed Richards, and the rest of the other superheroes. This was because Professor X mindwiped Spider-Man so he wouldn't disclose the damaging information he found out about the X-Men. I forgot what issue number this was. So back then Professor X was already behaving badly. Has anyone here read anything about Professor X mindwiping others as well, both superheroes, super-villains, or supporting characters ? He does this all the time. Like in X-Men #3: And in X-Men #13: And in X-Men #19: Oh man. So he is not adverse to exercising deviant behavior, of like someone acting/being like a super-villain. So the Banshee's girlfriend, Moira Mactaggert in that rebooting of Professor Xavier going to her to borrow her new X-Men team to go save the original X-Men in predicament in that island before the new X-Men of Giant Size X-Men and Uncanny X-Men #94, and had Moira's team killed, and mindwiping Scott has a run-of-the-mill thing for Professor X to do. Jeez man, okay so now I don't feel bad about Cyclops killing him in Avengers vs X-Men limited series a couple of years ago. |
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Post by rberman on Sept 13, 2019 18:21:50 GMT -5
Oh man. So he is not adverse to exercising deviant behavior, of like someone acting/being like a super-villain. So the Banshee's girlfriend, Moira Mactaggert in that rebooting of Professor Xavier going to her to borrow her new X-Men team to go save the original X-Men in predicament in that island before the new X-Men of Giant Size X-Men and Uncanny X-Men #94, and had Moira's team killed, and mindwiping Scott has a run-of-the-mill thing for Professor X to do. Jeez man, okay so now I don't feel bad about Cyclops killing him in Avengers vs X-Men limited series a couple of years ago. Deviant behavior is kind of his thing.   |
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