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Post by shaxper on Apr 12, 2017 8:45:17 GMT -5
Detective Comics #636 "Mind Control" writer: Lousie Simonson pencils: Jim Fern inks: Steve Mitchell letters: John Costanza colors: Adrienne Roy asst. editor: Kelley Puckett editor: Denny O'Neil In the summer of 1991, O'Neil's office decided to once again repeat a promotion that had been working for the Bat Office since 1989 -- take Batman and 'Tec bi-weekly in order to boost sales while kids were out of school and in need of more entertainment. The problem, this time, is that absolutely no thought was given to the quality of those stories. Sure, Batman and 'Tec both had three part story arcs lined up, but both were done by filler teams while core Batman creators Alan Grant and Norm Breyfogle were apparently taking a break. This was the very last Batman comic book I bought as an adolescent (even though Batman had previously been my favorite comic book property), and now, as an adult, I can absolutely see why. Regarding this specific story, I'm going to have to amend what I said about Louise Simonson in my review of Detective Comics Annual #4, specifically that: Yeah, I never would have green-lighted this one. For those of you just joining who missed the review of part one of this story, Batman and Robin are fighting some sort of mutant kid who can turn real life into video games he's played. It's a really embarrassing attempt to cater to a generation that loves video games even more than comic books, somehow seeming to believe that these kids would rather spend a half hour reading a comic about video games than spend that same half hour playing an actual video game. This isn't going to win you any new readers. But, more embarrassing than that is the belief that, once Simonson has roped these kids in by writing about video games, she'll also be able to persuade them that video games are addictive and bad for them: Sure enough, almost every character in Gotham City (even Harold the Hunchback) is suddenly a video game addict and feeling the toll. Bad writing, bad pandering, bad attempt to deliver a social message. And Jim Fern's art is killing me. When he draws Batman like this: all I can see is this: Really nothing more to this unfortunate three part story that has one issue left. I was a completist as a kid and never would have stopped reading in the middle of a three parter unless it was truly terrible. Maybe what finally did it for me (I honestly don't recall) was, after the mysterious bad guy was revealed to be the director of Arkham Asylum (seriously, how many times have they pulled that stunt already?), and after we found he was manipulating a kid with the inexplicable superhuman ability to turn the real world into video games (specifically video games released recently, even though he's been in solitary confinement at Arkham for years now???), we learned this evil director inexplicably also has the ability to build and control robotic tentacles: ....because it conveniently services the plot. This is just a really really bad story. Minor Details:- The book is back to normal newsprint paper after upgrading to smoother/glossier pages last issue. What gives? - Harold's still around. I like to keep track of his appearances just because you know that, eventually, the writers are going to lose track of him: Grade: F
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Post by Batflunkie on Apr 12, 2017 8:51:08 GMT -5
They should be the same is all... or not completely different... also, the one Alfred is using has ridiculously thick buttons... its a bit of a pet peeve of might is all Have you seen the art of Jim Fern? The realism of his buttons are the least of my objections I don't mind "sketchy" art styles, even (god help me) Liefield's artwork doesn't bother me all that much. But there's a very clear line between "sketchy" and "out right sloppy"
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Post by MDG on Apr 12, 2017 11:45:28 GMT -5
^^^ This type of thing started to crop up in the 80s and more in the 90s--it seems like inkers are "inking," and that's it. There's no feeling that they're "drawing" or looking at things as what they are supposed to be. Look at those trees in the panel with Gordon! Or Batman's and Robin's hands... "Hey, I just put ink over the lines!"
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Post by shaxper on Apr 12, 2017 12:37:45 GMT -5
^^^ This type of thing started to crop up in the 80s and more in the 90s--it seems like inkers are "inking," and that's it. There's no feeling that they're "drawing" or looking at things as what they are supposed to be. Look at those trees in the panel with Gordon! Or Batman's and Robin's hands... "Hey, I just put ink over the lines!" To be fair, it sort of compliments (and maybe enhances) Jim Fern's craptastic work. It's almost like Steve Leialoha is trying to hide Fern's pencils as much as possible.
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Post by MDG on Apr 12, 2017 12:53:18 GMT -5
^^^ This type of thing started to crop up in the 80s and more in the 90s--it seems like inkers are "inking," and that's it. There's no feeling that they're "drawing" or looking at things as what they are supposed to be. Look at those trees in the panel with Gordon! Or Batman's and Robin's hands... "Hey, I just put ink over the lines!" To be fair, it sort of compliments (and maybe enhances) Jim Fern's craptastic work. It's almost like Steve Leialoha is trying to hide Fern's pencils as much as possible. That's Leialoha? I'm shocked--his work is usually very good.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 12, 2017 13:11:22 GMT -5
To be fair, it sort of compliments (and maybe enhances) Jim Fern's craptastic work. It's almost like Steve Leialoha is trying to hide Fern's pencils as much as possible. That's Leialoha? I'm shocked--his work is usually very good. You work with the art you're given.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 16, 2017 10:58:41 GMT -5
Happy to say that this review thread is now restored from the devastation of the whole Photoshop debacle. More review threads soon to follow!
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Post by foxley on Jul 17, 2017 16:53:04 GMT -5
Excellent news, shax! I look forward to the new reviews.
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Post by Confessor on Jul 19, 2017 19:39:19 GMT -5
Happy to say that this review thread is now restored from the devastation of the whole Photoshop debacle. More review threads soon to follow! Where did you decide to host your images instead of photobucket?
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Post by shaxper on Jul 19, 2017 23:54:31 GMT -5
Happy to say that this review thread is now restored from the devastation of the whole Photoshop debacle. More review threads soon to follow! Where did you decide to host your images instead of photobucket? Imgur. I'm currently working on restoring Teen Titans from the Beginning.
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Post by chromehead on Sept 26, 2017 12:09:36 GMT -5
Hey shaxper, I've really been enjoying this thread. I was 9 years old when Burton's Batman came out, started reading the comics with Wolfman's Joker return story around #450.
Like you I came up with the Tim Drake Robin, really enjoyed the early stories with him (though I pretty much stopped buying DC around the time of the second Robin mini-series and just before Knightfall began--started buying again with Morrison & Snyder's runs).
Looking forward especially to your thoughts on the marvelous Milligan / Aparo issue, "The Bomb" coming up soon in 'Tec. Keep up the great work man!
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Post by shaxper on May 6, 2018 8:39:43 GMT -5
Batman #470 "Of Gods and Men" script: Alan Grant pencils: Norm Breyfogle inks: Rick Burchett colors: Adrienne Roy letters: Todd Klein asst. editor: Kelley Puckett editor: Denny O'Neil Batman creator: Bob Kane Welcome back, Alan Grant and Norm Breyfogle! Sorry we booted you off the title for four months in order to cash in further on some rookie creators who accidentally struck gold with the Robin Limited Series last summer. It's not like you've been working on Batman for half a decade at this point and deserve a little more respect than that. The good news is that you've come back in time for a forced company-wide event tie-in, and we know how much you love writing editorially mandated stories! ...It's really no wonder this issue blows. It's hard to see an issue of Batman with Norm Breyfogle on pencils, Adrienne Roy on colors, and Todd Klein on letters go to waste, but this story absolutely does. We've got bad writing, with the new Robin everyone cares so much about serving as nothing more than a sounding board for Batman's inner thoughts, Batman being so Frank Miller excessively tough that he abuses a guy just for having heard something about a stolen artifact: Keep in mind, THIS GUY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE THEFT OR SALE OF THE ITEM. And Batman then grimaces at the thunder and rain for no good reason while whining about a case just for not producing solid leads right away: The world's greatest detective then goes on to survey the property of the crime boss who is supposed to have the artifact, somehow COMPLETELY missing this until the lights get turned on: Even though, just moments before... And even Breyfogle isn't beyond reproach here, drawing several action sequences that just don't work. I mean, Gotham must have the most unnecessarily strong flag poles in the entire Western world: "ZWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!" And they later leap down from those flagpoles, right into their Batmobile seats. Logistically...just think about how carefully they'd have to time sliding their legs under the dashboard or risk losing them entirely. It just really really seemed like Grant and Breyfogle didn't give a f*** and didn't care who knew it. Really the only aspect of the story they appeared to put any heart into was their characterization of Maxie Zeus, the crime boss who believes he's a god, last seen in The Bronze Age, I believe. Nothing brilliant about his depiction, but Grant enjoys playing up the fact that he believes he's so godly he cannot catch a cold, and then does. That's the whole schtick right there. IMPORTANT DETAILS:Grant has been teasing the return of Killer Croc since Batman Annual #15, and he provides a more immediate hint that Croc is coming with this panel: Of course, Grant has plans to characterize Croc differently in the Post-Crisis, as we see when Batman replies, "He doesn't have the brains to be involved in this." The Pre-Crisis Croc was a criminal genius. HAROLD WATCH: He made "night-sights" for Batman and Robin this time around, though he is never seen in this issue. plot synopsis: Batman and Robin are looking for The Themysciran Goblet in the hopes that it will end The War of the Gods. They trace it to villain Maxie Zeus and take him down. Batman then discovers he is on the goblet.Grade: D+
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Post by shaxper on May 6, 2018 10:41:39 GMT -5
Detective Comics #637 "Control Freak" writer: Louise Simonson pencils: Jim Fern inks: Steve Mitchell letters: John Costanza colors: Adrienne Roy editor: Denny O'Neil asst editor: Kelley Puckett Batman created by Bob Kane A little over a year ago, I reviewed possibly the worst Batman story ever written. It was so bad that I felt the need to take an extended break from these reviews (well, other things came up in my life too, but really, the memories haunted me). With that story behind me though, I finally worked up the courage to return to this review thread...only to realize there was a part 3. Jim Fern, possibly my least favorite artist EVER, is back, drawing slender women like Andre the Giant You can tell he REALLY wanted to draw Cable. And while I consider Louise Simonson to be a decent writer, she really continues to screw the pooch with this one, providing excessive amounts of mixed moralizing about video games, somehow warning that they are dangerous and praising them for being good for you all at the same time, and she does this repeatedly throughout the issue. I mean, it would be easy to say "they're good in moderation," or better yet not attempt to moralize about them at all, but no -- the entire point of this two parter appears to be SOMETHING about video games, and Simonson doesn't seem to have any clearer idea than that. PLUS, her characterizations are disastrous. Here's the full origin of the villain of this issue, given freely and for no apparent reason: Because, ya know, losing at a video game might drive you to insanity. And/or a life of super-villainy. You just can't be sure. Also, video games are good for you. And there's just so much utter nonsense to this story as the video game appears to take over the city, a favorite example of mine being Gordon's ability to hop on and ride a dragon in real life because he knew how to do it in the video game. And then it turns out it was really just his car all along, because of course riding a dragon and driving a car employ the same skills. I mean, he was FLYING a moment ago, and he would have known if he was pressing a gas petal or moving a steering wheel. Ladies and gentlemen, the art of Jim Fern. Even Adrienne Roy disappoints for the first time in her long and stellar career, choosing a coloring scheme for the video game illusions that is intended to separate illusion from reality, but just ends up looking bland and uninteresting: ...And have I mentioned Jim Fern yet? Because, apparently, he can't be bothered to distinguish between Jim Gordon and the villain of the storyline either: Of course, that could be Roy's fault as well. Plot synopsis: It's just so not worth it. Trust me.Grade: F
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Post by chadwilliam on May 6, 2018 12:08:40 GMT -5
Batman #470 "Of Gods and Men" script: Alan Grant pencils: Norm Breyfogle inks: Rick Burchett colors: Adrienne Roy letters: Todd Klein asst. editor: Kelley Puckett editor: Denny O'Neil Batman creator: Bob Kane Welcome back, Alan Grant and Norm Breyfogle! Sorry we booted you off the title for four months in order to cash in further on some rookie creators who accidentally struck gold with the Robin Limited Series last summer. It's not like you've been working on Batman for half a decade at this point and deserve a little more respect than that. The good news is that you've come back in time for a forced company-wide event tie-in, and we know how much you love writing editorially mandated stories! ...It's really no wonder this issue blows. It's hard to see an issue of Batman with Norm Breyfogle on pencils, Adrienne Roy on colors, and Todd Klein on letters go to waste, but this story absolutely does. We've got bad writing, with the new Robin everyone cares so much about serving as nothing more than a sounding board for Batman's inner thoughts, Batman being so Frank Miller excessively tough that he abuses a guy just for having heard something about a stolen artifact: Keep in mind, THIS GUY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE THEFT OR SALE OF THE ITEM. And Batman then grimaces at the thunder and rain for no good reason while whining about a case just for not producing solid leads right away: The world's greatest detective then goes on to survey the property of the crime boss who is supposed to have the artifact, somehow COMPLETELY missing this until the lights get turned on: Even though, just moments before... And even Breyfogle isn't beyond reproach here, drawing several action sequences that just don't work. I mean, Gotham must have the most unnecessarily strong flag poles in the entire Western world: "ZWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!" And they later leap down from those flagpoles, right into their Batmobile seats. Logistically...just think about how carefully they'd have to time sliding their legs under the dashboard or risk losing them entirely. It just really really seemed like Grant and Breyfogle didn't give a f*** and didn't care who knew it. Really the only aspect of the story they appeared to put any heart into was their characterization of Maxie Zeus, the crime boss who believes he's a god, last seen in The Bronze Age, I believe. Nothing brilliant about his depiction, but Grant enjoys playing up the fact that he believes he's so godly he cannot catch a cold, and then does. That's the whole schtick right there. IMPORTANT DETAILS:Grant has been teasing the return of Killer Croc since Batman Annual #15, and he provides a more immediate hint that Croc is coming with this panel: Of course, Grant has plans to characterize Croc differently in the Post-Crisis, as we see when Batman replies, "He doesn't have the brains to be involved in this." The Pre-Crisis Croc was a criminal genius. HAROLD WATCH: He made "night-sights" for Batman and Robin this time around, though he is never seen in this issue. plot synopsis: Batman and Robin are looking for The Themysciran Goblet in the hopes that it will end The War of the Gods. They trace it to villain Maxie Zeus and take him down. Batman then discovers he is on the goblet.Grade: D+Although Batman's attitude towards Wonder Woman really seemed off (well, at the time anyway) I don't see any problem with Batman's handling of that guy. Whoever he is, he's obviously not the "legitimate businessman" he claims to be. Rottweilers all over his yard, barbed wire encircling his home, armed gunman at the ready, no visible coasters in his bar - he's actually in the middle of sentence about finding a buyer for some merchandise he's uncomfortable being in possession of when Batman interrupts him. In fact, Batman even tells him that he'll be let down by the police after he's informed them of the stolen gargoyles he's holding onto. "How can I know anything about some stolen goblet when I was busy with these stolen gargoyles" isn't really going to earn you a "My Bad!" from Batman. You know, given how many times we've seen Batman recover a spare Batman suit or Bat-Copter or whatever from some property purchased by Bruce Wayne, I can't help but wonder if he's donated money towards reinforcing flagpoles all over the city. There's a Batman: Black and White tale in which we learn that as evidence of Bruce Wayne's eccentricities, the reclusive millionaire has donated funds towards preserving all those gargoyles scattered around Gotham. Maxie Zeus is a little too ineffectual for me though he is nevertheless fun here. There's a genuinely funny line where one of his henchmen asks "Who let him out of Arkham" and as an afterthought wonders aloud "And whose stupid idea was it to give him that taser?" I can only imagine some orderly chasing after Zeus after he's left Arkham, "Mr. Zeus! Mr. Zeus! Just a moment - you forgot your taser shaped like a giant lightning bolt!" Still, when he's so absent-mindedly waving it about that he's accidentally tasering his own men with it, you have to wonder where Batman's getting his "Maxie Zeus is nobody's fool" assessment from and how dumb the post-Crisis Killer Croc must be to pale in comparison to this guy. Ugh. Killer Croc was one of only foes that I can recall the pre-Crisis Batman ever admitting to be scared of (the other is Deathman from Batman 180) and that "Killer Croc and a guy dressed like Caesar are both on the loose? hm. What's the guy in the toga doing? Shouting "Let there be light!" at the sky? Croc can wait!" really doesn't whet the appetite for the next issue. But you know, I enjoyed it at the time. I was interested in Tim Drake as Robin and I genuinely appreciated how Robin was a tool to be used in reserve during Grant and Breyfogle's run. There's a 'Get in, get out, and stay behind me' method to his crimefighting that I thought nicely showcased how Batman was still easing him into the role. At the same time, there's still that scene with Robin swinging across that chasm and grabbing the goblet half a second before Zeus can destroy. Beautifully rendered by Breyfogle and I remember being impressed with the fact that the new kid just managed to save the Earth (assuming that it was as important as Wonder Woman claimed it to be). One other thing - Indelicato notes "You're a vigilante! You're illegal! I could arrest you anytime I choose!" when he feels Batman's getting a little too high and mighty for his tastes. It's interesting to see it confirmed that Batman is an outlaw when until now I believe, the subject was treated as a grey area (not a deputized officer of the law, but people knowing he's out there was about as clear as it got). I do recall a police officer contemplating how cool it would be to arrest Batman for speeding in a previous issue during their Tec run (I think it was during the Tulpa storyline) and Grant will have Judge Dredd arrest the Caped Crusader for vigilantism in MegaCity One, but it wasn't really until now that we got someone addressing the issue head on. Also, it's great to have you back Shaxper, I've missed seeing you around these parts!
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Post by shaxper on May 6, 2018 12:39:42 GMT -5
You know, given how many times we've seen Batman recover a spare Batman suit or Bat-Copter or whatever from some property purchased by Bruce Wayne, I can't help but wonder if he's donated money towards reinforcing flagpoles all over the city. There's a Batman: Black and White tale in which we learn that as evidence of Bruce Wayne's eccentricities, the reclusive millionaire has donated funds towards preserving all those gargoyles scattered around Gotham. I could see an Alfred backup story explaining how he does little things like order the reinforcing of flag poles across the city all the time to ensure that Master Bruce is safe for the night. Yep. It's clear no real thought went into this one beyond "Hmmm...who's a Batman villain with a Greek God background that we could incorporate into this tie-in? Hey, we can have fun with this guy!" You're a lot more generous with Robin's treatment than I am. I'm still waiting for him to display a consistent characterization, and that can't happen in stories where he isn't given any. I think Grant and Breyfogle keep this purposefully vague, though. Indelicato is clearly desperate and trying anything here, and Batman is too distracted to dignify the statement with any kind of response. Maybe he's a vigilante; maybe he would have laughed in the next panel if he'd had the chance. Thanks, Chad. My life has been...interesting this past year or so. No idea where it's taking me next nor what my presence on the boards will be, but posting these reviews today and having this discussion with you were fun.
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