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Post by beccabear67 on Nov 7, 2019 15:10:38 GMT -5
"Detective Zed" was another Eagle strip, about a robotic cop in 22nd-century London. Not many images of him, but here he is:  Ha, I wonder if the people behind Red Dwarf saw this comic? That's almost exactly what Kryten looked like in the episode where they wake up from being characters in a Red Dwarf virtual reality game! He was some kind of action detective bloke. And Cat was Dwayne Dibley I think...  |
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Post by Mister Spaceman on Nov 7, 2019 15:54:55 GMT -5
Another artist who worked well in black and white: Gene Colan.  |
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Post by berkley on Nov 7, 2019 20:26:04 GMT -5
I see that Eddie Campbell has come out with a colourized version of From Hell, which is the last comic I'd ever have thought could benefit from such a treatment. Has anyone looked at it, out of curiosity? No. The scratchy, unkempt, but crowded with detail black & white artwork of From Hell is so appropriate to the Victorian London setting of the book that a colourised version would surely just detract from Moore's story. I guess some bean counter somewhere thought that it might sell a few extra copies to the superhero fan crowd, who might've been put off by a black & white comic. yeah, completely agree and was surprised Campbell went along with the idea. |
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Post by berkley on Nov 7, 2019 20:29:07 GMT -5
Something about how the Hernandez bros. use blacks reminds me of Wally Wood. I can see that, although with me it's usually Alex Toth who comes to mind. Also, after reading Milton Caniff's Steve Canyon over the last several months, I can really see his influence on the Hernandezes, perhaps Gilbert more than Jaime. |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Nov 8, 2019 5:03:11 GMT -5
Something about how the Hernandez bros. use blacks reminds me of Wally Wood. I can see that, although with me it's usually Alex Toth who comes to mind. Also, after reading Milton Caniff's Steve Canyon over the last several months, I can really see his influence on the Hernandezes, perhaps Gilbert more than Jaime. Interesting how everybody sees something a little different when looking at any output by Los Bros Hernandez; personally, I've always found that their art (again, like berkley, Jaime more than Gilbert) looks like Ditko meets the Archie house style, while still being very much its own thing. |
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Post by brutalis on Nov 8, 2019 7:32:18 GMT -5
I can see that, although with me it's usually Alex Toth who comes to mind. Also, after reading Milton Caniff's Steve Canyon over the last several months, I can really see his influence on the Hernandezes, perhaps Gilbert more than Jaime. Interesting how everybody sees something a little different when looking at any output by Los Bros Hernandez; personally, I've always found that their art (again, like berkley, Jaime more than Gilbert) looks like Ditko meets the Archie house style, while still being very much its own thing. Personally, I believe this to be in being from our own "likes" that we are exposed to. That which you see 1st and most regularly. We SEE and interpret things based upon our own recognition/cognizant factors. As in, Wood has such a clean/slick line to his work and Dikto has a hyper-stylized cartoonishness with bold ink lines that once seen you will almost certainly "see" that influence in other artwork. Same for Toth whose style carries a kind of scratchy sketchiness combined with bold black versus white compositions that once seen are easily and readily recognizable, even when it is from other artists. Add to this that nearly any artist in the beginning is learning and/or mimicking another artist they like and possibly self taught/learned from copying that artist until confidence and skill allows further growth, it is very easy to "see" other art styles in places. |
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Post by MDG on Nov 8, 2019 10:27:59 GMT -5
No. The scratchy, unkempt, but crowded with detail black & white artwork of From Hell is so appropriate to the Victorian London setting of the book that a colourised version would surely just detract from Moore's story. I guess some bean counter somewhere thought that it might sell a few extra copies to the superhero fan crowd, who might've been put off by a black & white comic. yeah, completely agree and was surprised Campbell went along with the idea. Looks like he did some "tweaking" along with the color: |
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 8, 2019 11:10:43 GMT -5
Some of the best B&W work was early Conan. Roy wanted to keep the detailed work of Barry Smith's Red Nails in Savage Sword.  So he teamed up John Buscema with Alfredo Alcala  |
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 8, 2019 11:16:17 GMT -5
More Buscema/Alcala   |
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Post by Duragizer on Nov 8, 2019 20:08:19 GMT -5
This thread's convinced me I need to read a lot more B&W comics.
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Post by brutalis on Nov 11, 2019 8:00:20 GMT -5
This thread's convinced me I need to read a lot more B&W comics. Totally the reason I began this thread! So much goodness out there in B&W to discover and enjoy! For example: the 80's independent black and white boom delivered TONS of comics. Some great, some ok, many horrible but artists and writers were able to publish a variety of comics which might not otherwise seen the light of day. Some favorites of mine that haven't been mentioned as yet which I still pull and read over: will try to go alphabetically. Army Surplus Komiks Featuring Cutety Bunny. Joshua Quagmire's funny animal she-bunny heroine that was hip and cool and adult. Boris the Bear: Angry bear with a short fused inspiring satirical riffs on comic books. Cherry Poptart: Larry Welz erotic XXX spoofing of Archie comics. A cult phenom! Dinosaurs for Hire: Tom Mason's satire pf gun wielding alien dino's crash on earth and take up working as mercenaries for hire Elflord by Barry Blair. Think Elfquest with less background and story with more "adult" sexual situations. Flaming Carrot: Bob Burden's weirdly intoxicating take on bizarre superheroics.Hembeck by Fred Hembeck. I would grab whatever Fred published. Full of awful cartoonish art (his trademark) but biting wit and very smart commentary about his love of comics. Wish Fred were a member of the CCF! Grendel and Mage: Matt Wagner's.Should be on everyone's reading list. Journey: The adventures of Wolverine MacAlistaire: William Messner Loebs 19th century fur trapper in the Michigan Frontier. I adore this series Love and Rockets. What can you say about Los Bros Hernandez worlds? You MUST read these. Ms. Tree: Max Alan Collins and Terry Beatty's tougher than any of the guys PI series. GET IT! Nexus: Baron and Rudes amazingly complex creation began in B&W. Omaha the Cat Dancer: Kate Worley's incredible adult erotic comic strip that reflects life and reality in a touching, humorous way. Reid Fleming, Worlds Toughest Milkman. David Boswell, guarantee you will laugh milk out of your nose while reading! Warlock 5: awesome artistry: just don't expect me to try and explain the story?!? Warrior Magazine: British science fiction/fantasy magazine. Just splendid. ZOT: Scott McClouds creative and fun teen heroe which went in reverse order from color series to B&W. There are so many more series but these is just a sampling of what I was collecting beside the basic Superhero stuff. |
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Post by chaykinstevens on Nov 11, 2019 11:40:31 GMT -5
Firstly there was "The Dracula File", which was drawn by Eric Bradbury, and then there was (my personal favourite) "Monster", written initially by Alan Moore and then continued by Rick Clark. According to Wikipedia, Rick Clark was a pseudonym for John Wagner. |
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Post by Confessor on Nov 11, 2019 13:50:19 GMT -5
Firstly there was "The Dracula File", which was drawn by Eric Bradbury, and then there was (my personal favourite) "Monster", written initially by Alan Moore and then continued by Rick Clark. According to Wikipedia, Rick Clark was a pseudonym for John Wagner. You're right, of course. I did know that, I think, but I must've forgotten it, or it's a case of old habits dying hard: "Rick Clark" was the name I always saw in the pages of Scream!. |
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Post by brutalis on Nov 20, 2019 8:26:05 GMT -5
Digging through my boxes and set aside some series from Pioneer Comics during the end of the 80's. They published several newspaper black and white strips in "comic Book" form, enlarging panels within pages to create a comic book experience. I have 10 issues of Modesty Blaise, 15 issues of Mandrake the Magician, 16 issues of Jungle Jim and 7 issues of Secret Agent to read through and enjoy during the holidays. I remember being the only one at my local LCS at the time to have these placed in my pre-order pull box at the shop and being sad that the company stopped printing comics after only 2 years. I had never seen any of these beautiful strips in the newspapers growing up an while the enlarged panels at times were ugly (blowing up the panel size way too large and losing the tight pencils) while other panels were printed too small, it was a really affordable way to finding out about them.
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Post by Confessor on Nov 20, 2019 20:04:21 GMT -5
Digging through my boxes and set aside some series from Pioneer Comics during the end of the 80's. They published several newspaper black and white strips in "comic Book" form, enlarging panels within pages to create a comic book experience. I have 10 issues of Modesty Blaise, 15 issues of Mandrake the Magician, 16 issues of Jungle Jim and 7 issues of Secret Agent to read through and enjoy during the holidays. I remember being the only one at my local LCS at the time to have these placed in my pre-order pull box at the shop and being sad that the company stopped printing comics after only 2 years. I had never seen any of these beautiful strips in the newspapers growing up an while the enlarged panels at times were ugly (blowing up the panel size way too large and losing the tight pencils) while other panels were printed too small, it was a really affordable way to finding out about them. Pioneer's reprints were how I first encountered Rip Kirby. The printing was pretty bad in them though, but the stories still shone through. |
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