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Post by badwolf on Dec 6, 2019 22:01:48 GMT -5
I just bought that Batgirl Special this weekend, but I haven't read it yet. I'll do that and then read your review.
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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 6, 2019 23:34:26 GMT -5
So, Huntress #10-12: Crazy nebbish killer cartoon guy offs a caricature kink-specialist prossie in a series of panels, generously he gives the photos of same to his perv book shop owning friend who collect such. Also some woman staying at a hotel where The Huntress prevents him from killing who he meant to is murdered off-panel. Sal polishes his gun. That street level drug pusher gang is still making a real nuclear bomb with the genius child they kidnapped. For no apparent reason they kill his reporter Mom and little brother. We see them go in but not come out, just a bang bang sound effect Well, that's gritty mature reality, if you can't handle it... this is what drug gangs do... I think I am realizing it's not so much the 'dark' side that I find less than a perfect fit with costumed superhero comics so much as the extremeness outside of their own exceptional existence... extreme violent acts don't get much more extreme than working towards blowing up a piece of a NYC borough or two, complete with radiation illness afterward for many neighboring hoods. Nowhere in these three issues though is there any scene remotely like this cover on #10 (but on #12 they have a cute out I won't 'spoil'). Well, it's not all grim, The Huntress, ray of sunshine that she is, masquerades as the serial killer's Mom, confusing him into the deadly trap he intended for her... technically she doesn't pull any of the many triggers and we get the satisfaction of knowing no more comic book ladies need die at his hands. Next up the gypsy witch from earlier in the series appears only to Helena as a big misty face in the sky and tell her action is needed or Manhattan goes boom! Then the gypsy face disappears (doesn't help at all with her semi-Santeria allusive 'powers'?) The Huntress and Sal head for the hood HQ in a bulletproof van, Huntress posing as an executive crackhead gets close enough to grab the just finished (what timing) bomb, but not the maker kid she can't quite get him as well. Various gang members have seemed to get hit by bullets aimed at The Huntress, but the other gang members say they deserve it for being fooled by her. They bargain (van has loud speaker, of course), and at the last second the kid comes out and off they go. The end. This is just not well written. The puzzle clues of the serial nebbish barely come into the finding of him, which we're told he wants anyway as he has a trap set up. The whole set up of a detective following clues that baffled others was all for nothing basically. The home-made nuclear bomb is some kind of generic number, not a dirty bomb, which would be a lot more home- make-able. For me from the point the mother and child are shown to be murdered by the gang holding the other child I was just depressed and going through the motions of seeing what happens next. I stopped caring. I don't expect a comic book writer to educate me on the decline of western civilization with random death, cliched traps and terror plots thrown in if he's not going to really dig down and come up with something that at least works on a surface mechanics level, and this concoction didn't. Any heartfelt 'statement' is undermined by the continual use of caricatures really anyway if not those extremes of villainy being reached for. Blow up a world of a reluctant guilt-plagued heroine, serial killers, gangs, mostly corrupt police (how the infamous puzzle serial killer got escape assistance), and dead moms and little kids... why should I feel any desire to see it 'saved'? Not having the deepest basis before, the series now seems more surface shallow and simplistic. I guess The Huntress landing some kicks and punches is supposed to make up for a lot, like Bronson in Death Wish I, II and II, and... that's all they can do, repeat the cycle of basic button-pushing only with new extremes, but they always run out of extremes, although never soon enough. Rather than sensitized the reader is more brutalized, but if you need a sledgehammer to make a point or register an emotion you are probably lacking in your craft or lacking in your own honest emotional input and investment. There is nothing real about this kind of 'mature' comic, it's pretty much the opposite of that. A Za-Zen lesson of showing a circle and pointing out the nothing inside it and the nothing outside it... and then saying there is no circle. 1+1=0, 2+2=0, 3x3=0. Keep the body count number rising and it will equal the same zero. There will be no depiction of the mature real fallout to the young bomb-maker now orphaned, he is mostly just a prop, to be rescued, then not seen again. I see nowhere much for any of the characters to go from here, unless for The Huntress to break the barrier of deliberately killing someone like her partner has. She does visit a psychiatrist next issue, damaged, brutalized, sleepless running on empty character that she is. Oh, and the pebble board will be back.
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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 7, 2019 14:01:45 GMT -5
Joey Cavalieri redeems himself with an excellent quieter issue here. The Huntress rescues a girl being thrown off a roof by yet more street gang type scum, but then the victim wants her to let them go because she doesn't want any more trouble or to even think about all that's actually happened (including off-panel gang rape apparently). So The Huntress doesn't hunt, she takes the girl to crisis center where she crosses paths with an older woman psychiatrist. After all she'd been through anyone would need some help. As Helena she makes an appointment hoping for an end to the nightmares and sleepless nights. A start is made and then she goes after the scum and thrashes them about a little and leaves them for the police to clear away. A complete in one issue story and no nukes or insane serial killers. I would have to call this issue mature in the best sense even if the world shown is still semi-cartoonish and extremely violent.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 7, 2019 14:06:32 GMT -5
Always kinda liked the Huntress. Maybe that was because I never read any of her ongoing series?
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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 8, 2019 14:01:49 GMT -5
Now a quick look in the direction of the new and improved Wonder Woman of 1987-1988 via Action Comics #600 and Annual #1. The main story in this special issue of Action is a collaboration of John Byrne and George Perez bringing Superman and Wonder Woman together, starting off with an awkward kiss, foiling Darkseid in his attempt to take over the Greek Gods' Olympus (with some design help from M.C. Escher), and ending with a friendly handshake. That seems to sum it up, but here Supes describes himself as "just a boy from Kansas" compared to the world of Gods and Goddesses Diana the Wonder Woman comes from. She's way out of his league. I guess that's female empowerment when the first and probably toughest super guy says something like this. Here's the 'alternate' Bynre & Perez cover shown inside the issue... Wonder Woman Annual #1 centers on WW bringing her "patriarch's world", meaning us, friends Julia and her daughter Vanessa to visit the Amazon's paradise island of Themyscira. This frames a number of stories told within the story and illustrated by an all-star roster of artists. Besides stories of Amazonian self-sacrifice for the good of the people, Steve Trevor and his love Etta Candy foiling military saboteurs, and the secret origin of Julia (Diana's mentor on Earth), perhaps the most important is a tale set in the distant past. In contrast to the set up of a women only paradise is the story of a similar number of ancient Greeks where the women, after killing all males, turned on each other destroying their once exemplary civilization. Because they learned to blame and hate instead of love. Make of that what you will, seems a fairly simple gender stereotyped lesson to me, but it is a good thing to show that all people have the potential for self-destruction, even a sisterhood. I'm not sure if writer George Perez has or hasn't seen women fighting even without it being about men! This Annual is a nice vacation on a sunny island, ripe olives and feta with wine, a vast library, all safely separate from our headlines and stresses, but in the end they have to return as we do. The extra feature/finale is a reading of a will by a female supporting character otherwise not featured in this special. In a shorter space there are a number of stories told in flashback centered on the need to try to be true to oneself and those who don't try having many regrets in contrast to the deceased who lived it her way. The new Wonder Woman is more tied in to the wider Greek pantheon than I remember.
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 8, 2019 20:56:42 GMT -5
Well, George has directed videos (well, one or two) of women fighting; so, there is that.
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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 9, 2019 13:25:09 GMT -5
Another three issues in (#14-16) and The Huntress takes a turn for the interesting. Helena moves to another part of the NYC area where two old style mob bosses are conflicted over an urban renewal type scheme, then there is no conflict when one leaves the other at the dinner table ala Michael Corleone. What a waste of good spaghet. Various street types and a Geraldo type tv personality are employed in a scheme to make the area a problem 'something should be done about', a simulated race riot, squatters harassed, and arson go towards this. The Huntress and a new wannabe protector of the innocent calling himself The Waterfront Warrior try their best to throw a spanner in these works. There's a bit of a comedic aspect to the Warrior but also some genuine pathos. Helena on the psychiatrist's couch worries she is an example that if others emulate will get them and others hurt. These are just excellent comics; Joey Cavalieri has gone from zero to hero in my book! The abrupt, semi clumsy, wrap-ups after long build-ups to the more fantastic serial killer and nuclear bomb plots might've been impatience to get to something with more maturity. The art, back on pebble board, is occasionally very high quality. I care about Helena Bertinelli again (and again she pines to keep her vigilante costume persona packed away in a moving box), and I care about the two new characters in the waterfront area we meet. It was brain more than brawn fooling the serial killer character with a disguise as his hated mother, and brain as much as action which rescued bomb-maker and bomb previously, but it's more impactful in this story how Helena traps the would-be real-estate mogul boss, and less far-fetched. Next three issues: The Batman! Also the series finale (and I think I will be disappointed after all about that).
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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 9, 2019 15:36:47 GMT -5
New Huntress meets modern 'Dark Knight' as Bats travels from Gotham on the trail of a Colombian drug kingpin named Rage. The story starts out impressively picking up the story of the young science fair bomb-maker whose mother and brother were tricked and then murdered by the gang that kidnapped him. In one scene he looks in a window at a scene such as he lived a few issues back, a kid doing homework watched over by his mother, a scene he briefly sees in flashback as his, but will never live again. He wants to make all gang members pay! And what does he know how to do? Make bombs. He begins a campaign against his enemies and is successful enough that rival gangs, blaming each other, escalate things to violence in the street. The Huntress protects more innocents but feels inadequate to stop all the open warfare until Rage appears and brings the factions together quickly for the sake of business. The Huntress decides that any peace is better than the alternative, and when Batman appears on the roof behind her and is poised to interfere she tries to stop him. This story grabbed me from the first couple of pages, and there isn't a costume to be seen until page 10. The gangs seem a bit dated in some ways but show veracity in others. With the last page showing The Huntress and The Batman squaring off it must've been a hard wait for the reader to see whose argument might prevail and what will be done about the street level gangs situation. I'm sometimes tempted to say there are way too many gang-bangers in this comic, but the NYC area is densely populated. Maybe I think this in part because of how often the streets are shown as nearly deserted, which they would be during violence or late night. A few establishing shots of crowded streets somewhere wouldn't have gone amiss however, or heavy traffic.
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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 10, 2019 23:33:26 GMT -5
In the final two issues of the series Batman and Huntress compromise in how to restore relative peace to the waterfront. Bats wants to have the young bomber to the authorities for trial but The Huntress who knows more about his story sees that as victimizing someone already victimized by the murder of his mother and brother. Batman bends a little and hatches a plan to set up the new Colombian connected leader of the united gangs but someone forgets to tell him the barge the two end up going mano-e-mano on has the big finale bomb planted on it, but Bats see it just in the nick of time, and rushes Rage off into the water as it makes with the big "Bwha-bwooomm". I dunno, I think someone could've tried calling Don Martin for a better sound effect there. Helena packs up again for another move, this time with orphan James. Despite their differences of opinion Batman and The Huntress seem to have some admiration for each other, and Batman certainly admired James (future Robin material?). But wait, there's more... "The Huntress will return in JLA Special #2"... augh, just when I thought I had a complete collection. Well, I bit, ordered Special #1 (I saw The Huntress was shown on it's cover) and #2... coming soon! The Huntress 1989-90 is a decent series, sometimes above average and quite unique. There was actual character development, not just for the title star but others, including the police detective O'Shea. There was a bad mix of extreme scenarios that had fairly abrupt endings in the middle, and I did not see why the gang dudes would have their bomb maker's mother and brother shot for putting up missing posters, but Helena comes out of it as believable enough, along with James, who I guess she will adopt or foster. Sometimes the gangs seemed to have more power and openly operating with impunity and other times trying to stay in the shadows. The old style mobsters including Helena's father were rather cookie-cutter, or for Tony The Gut, overly caricatured. The serial killer nebbish was a big-foot cartoon type right out of an old Spirit section, contrasted with his erudite speech and cold puzzle logic but undermined lack of carry through in how he was defeated by a costume version of his mother (he was rather poor sighted though with thick glasses). The pebble and duo shade board weren't a huge success, but they did use it effectively most of the time. Batman came off as the classic Batman to me, not any darker than say '70s to mid '80s Batman, definitely well incorporated and bringing something to the final story to end on a memorable high note.
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Post by shaxper on Dec 11, 2019 6:00:53 GMT -5
Is this the last adventure of Batgirl? Well it is titled "The Last Batgirl Story", and is written by Barabara Randall with art by Barry Kitson and Bruce D. Patterson. Interestingly enough, there'd been a Pre-Crisis "Last Batgirl Story" published in Detective Comics #424. She'd been in the editorial cross-hairs for a long time, by this point. I still don't understand the contempt for the character, especially after Batman Family was one of DC's top selling titles with Babs at the forefront of it. It really bothered me that Randall went so far out of her way to make Babs vulnerable. She'd been an accomplished crimefighter for years, but is somehow traumatized by one pretty ordinary bad dude to the point that she is ready to give it all up. If someone wrote a story where Batman was this traumatized by some run-of-the-mill crime boss, fans would have thrown a fit. The women who were allowed to write comics for DC in the early '80s (basically Barbara Randall and Mindy Newell) both seemed to write the kind of heroines that affirmed all the bad stereotypes. yeah... My complaint with pretty much every Batman cover he drew in this decade! "FINALLY, after all these years, Babs gets her own comic boo....oh." Yup. I can never decide whether this story makes me more sad or angry. Thanks for covering it.
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Post by shaxper on Dec 11, 2019 6:06:23 GMT -5
Now a quick look in the direction of the new and improved Wonder Woman of 1987-1988 via Action Comics #600 and Annual #1. The main story in this special issue of Action is a collaboration of John Byrne and George Perez bringing Superman and Wonder Woman together, starting off with an awkward kiss, foiling Darkseid in his attempt to take over the Greek Gods' Olympus (with some design help from M.C. Escher), and ending with a friendly handshake. That seems to sum it up, but here Supes describes himself as "just a boy from Kansas" compared to the world of Gods and Goddesses Diana the Wonder Woman comes from. She's way out of his league. I guess that's female empowerment when the first and probably toughest super guy says something like this. Byrne really didn't understand Perez's Wonder Woman very well. I personally hated this story. This story is the finale to a full year of storytelling in the pages of Wonder Woman. I'm not sure how it reads without that context, but I found it fascinating to see Perez provide a dramatically powerful climax that (in true Post-Crisis Wonder Woman fashion) features no fighting whatsoever -- a bold thing to sustain across a giant-size issue of a traditional comic book. And the whole Mindy Mayor epilogue? WOW.
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Post by badwolf on Dec 15, 2019 18:57:03 GMT -5
Is this the last adventure of Batgirl? Well it is titled "The Last Batgirl Story", and is written by Barabara Randall with art by Barry Kitson and Bruce D. Patterson. If it was the last Batgirl story I wouldn't be surprised. All I got out of it was that she's the World's Lousiest Detective.
Tampering with evidence at a murder scene? She couldn't just read the note and put it back? The note is never even mentioned again, and it certainly doesn't seem like she read it.
She's convinced that Cormorant committed the murder because of...a hat? And even after more murders occur with the same M.O., she still thinks it was him?
Tresspassing, spying...
Who is Marcy and what is the stuffed Batgirl supposed to prove? I don't understand that scene at all.
This read like a try-out book and I'm not surprised Barbara Randall didn't do much else.
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 15, 2019 20:37:29 GMT -5
Um, I gonna have to launch a bit of disagreement on the subject of Barb Randall/Kesel as some kind of one note writer. In the first place, she worked primarily as an editor and was considered quite good at her job. Damn good! In the second, this was not the only thing she wrote. She co-wrote Hawk & Dove with then-husband Karl Kesel (mini & regular series), as well as Ultragirl, at Marvel. She scripted some of the Dungeons & Dragons licensed comics for DC. She was an editor at Dark Horse and part of the team that developed their Comics Greatest World line. She wrote several books for Image and was both an editor and a writer for CrossGen, including Meridian, The First, Sigil, Solus and the CrossGen Chronicles. She was a writer on several projects at IDW and was part of a book packaging group, with Brian Augustyn, Gordon Kent and Malibu's Dave Olbrich.
She has also been one of the more outspoken women in the industry on the subject of sexism within it, which may have more than a small factor in the number of writing assignments she had at the Big Two.
Suffice to say, she has a larger body of work than this one script, much of it quite good. I enjoyed quite a bit of it, including the Hawk & Dove stuff. As an editor, she had works nominated for bothe the Eisner and Harvey Awards and was editor for the Harvey Award-wining collection of Mike Mignola's Hellboy: The Wolves of St August.
This is not a great story; but, part of that was behind-the-scenes editorial stuff, in relation to The Killing Joke. Another is her attempt to address the issue of violence against women within the context of a superhero comic. These kind of message stories often end up clunky as the message can get in the way of the plot, not to mention, superheroes cannot solve social issues. So, not her best work; but, evn with the mistakes in it, I still think it is much better than a lot of her contemporaries at DC and Marvel, at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 21:13:59 GMT -5
beccabear67 ... I'm enjoying your thread that you started and wondering what Huntress you've like best Wayne or Bertinelli?
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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 16, 2019 0:04:03 GMT -5
beccabear67 ... I'm enjoying your thread that you started and wondering what Huntress you've like best Wayne or Bertinelli? I still like the earlier Helena Wayne Huntress best, but I like the new Bertinelli a lot more than I expected to. She's a bit different, and I can accept they had gotten rid of the Earth 1 & 2 etc. so felt the earlier Huntress would be too confusing to explain (Power Girl had to get a new origin to still be around it seems). I understand they had a new Hawkwoman later who was not Shiera or Shayera but someone else from Thanagar. I might give the Perez Wonder Woman a review from #1-12 or further sometime in the new year, and before that the last Huntress story when the Justice League international Special #2 makes it into my hands...
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