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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Dec 18, 2019 9:49:05 GMT -5
I will watch, but I doubt it enlightens me in any way. Likely will give the standard background story, some big moments in Marvel history and finally have movie stars talk about the roles they got as result of his characters finally being translated properly to the big screen. It will be a piece for fans but not die hards who have already read the books and interviews about the good (and bad) of Stan.
Kevin Smith is the best. Perfect, no (I would argue some of his ventures in comics are downright terrible) but he has been a long time comic fan, walks the walk and talks the talk and is in the biz. He is as passionate about Marvel and the MCU as anyone I know in the public eye.
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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 20, 2019 21:54:07 GMT -5
Glad I saw this as a reminder, it'll be on in just over an hour! I might've forgotten.  |
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Post by jason on Dec 20, 2019 23:20:28 GMT -5
It was pretty much a fluff piece, didnt learn anything I didnt already know, but entertaining enough.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 23:52:56 GMT -5
It was good, but it was quite informative on the notion if you don't know Stan Lee that much, but Jason said it well ... and I'm going go with him on this. I like it and it was good. Kevin Smith did a good job and I liked the way he presented himself.
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 21, 2019 0:01:19 GMT -5
It lost me in the first five minutes, as soon as Jimmy Kimmel called Stan one of the most important writers and artists of the Twentieth Century. The historian in me was offended, if not disgusted, at the way it minimized the contributions of his co-creators. They didn't even mention Steve Ditko's name. An hour I'll never get back.
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Post by Duragizer on Dec 21, 2019 3:01:35 GMT -5
It lost me in the first five minutes, as soon as Jimmy Kimmel called Stan one of the most important writers and artists of the Twentieth Century.  |
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Post by Confessor on Dec 21, 2019 8:57:25 GMT -5
I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you, that this turned out to be a lightweight and inaccurate load of old b*llocks.  |
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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 21, 2019 13:12:24 GMT -5
I kind of knew it was going to be silly 'changed the world' stuff, with actors whose names I won't know or remember. It was good for the old clips and interesting to see Larry Leiber his brother, also Roy Thomas and Gerry Conway.
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Post by tarkintino on Dec 21, 2019 13:49:26 GMT -5
It lost me in the first five minutes, as soon as Jimmy Kimmel called Stan one of the most important writers and artists of the Twentieth Century. The historian in me was offended, if not disgusted, at the way it minimized the contributions of his co-creators. They didn't even mention Steve Ditko's name. An hour I'll never get back. Cei-U! I summon the huge waste of time! Yes---yet another "Stan was the greatest" screaming from the rooftops puff piece, while not giving proper credit to those who has as much a hand in building Timely/Atlas/Marvel as he did, especially in the late 60s - 70s, when Marvel raised its creative profile. ...and Kevin Smith? Just no. and the claim that he was "one of the most important writers and artists of the 20th century." That's ridiculous. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 21, 2019 23:57:11 GMT -5
If you're using 'artist' in the vague sense of creator, fine, but for comics, that's not a word you should use. Non-comic fans do all see Stan Lee as the creator of Marvel (and super heroes in general, really).. it'd be nice to at least mention the artist/co-creators, even in this kind of fluff piece.. much like Stan should be mentioned if one did a similar program on Kirby or Ditko.
I'd be more inclined to call Stan Lee the greatest Marketer of the 20th century.
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Post by Confessor on Dec 22, 2019 5:52:47 GMT -5
If you're using 'artist' in the vague sense of creator, fine, but for comics, that's not a word you should use. I'd be more inclined to call Stan Lee the greatest Marketer of the 20th century. Even calling him one of the most important writers of the 20th Century is off base. I mean, God knows that I love Stan Lee's writing as much as the next classic comics fan, but to put him up there with the likes of George Orwell, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Ernest Hemingway, Harper Lee, Vladimir Nabokov, and John Steinbeck, to name just a few, is laughable. |
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Post by rberman on Dec 22, 2019 8:15:04 GMT -5
If you're using 'artist' in the vague sense of creator, fine, but for comics, that's not a word you should use. I'd be more inclined to call Stan Lee the greatest Marketer of the 20th century. Even calling him one of the most important writers of the 20th Century is off base. I mean, God knows that I love Stan Lee's writing as much as the next classic comics fan, but to put him up there with the likes of George Orwell, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Ernest Hemingway, Harper Lee, Vladimir Nabokov, and John Steinbeck, to name just a few, is laughable. He's not a great writer, but circumstance made him an influential one. I bet more people can tell you who Spider-Man is than can tell you who the Brothers Karamazov or Tom Joad are. |
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Post by Confessor on Dec 22, 2019 9:54:11 GMT -5
Even calling him one of the most important writers of the 20th Century is off base. I mean, God knows that I love Stan Lee's writing as much as the next classic comics fan, but to put him up there with the likes of George Orwell, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Ernest Hemingway, Harper Lee, Vladimir Nabokov, and John Steinbeck, to name just a few, is laughable. He's not a great writer, but circumstance made him an influential one. I bet more people can tell you who Spider-Man is than can tell you who the Brothers Karamazov or Tom Joad are.((highlighted text)) I'm sure you're right, but popularity doesn't necessarily equate quality. Or what's most influential on a given artform. At a push, I think you could say that Stan Lee is one of the most popular writers of the 20th century, but one of the most important? Even as a fan of Lee's stuff, I'd have to disagree with that. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 12:37:57 GMT -5
My dear friend Jeff and I watched it again late last night and it was pretty "basic" and I just felt that watching it again it wasn't that good after all. I'm taking back what I said previously and this is a pretty lame way of describing the legacy of Stan Lee and sorry that I miss led you all here. In case ... some of you don't know Jeff is ... he ran a comic book store for more than 30 years and retired.
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 22, 2019 13:01:10 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, Mech, which store did Jeff run? Maybe we've crossed paths.
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