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Post by berkley on Dec 19, 2019 14:34:30 GMT -5
6. X-Men/New Teen Titans1982 Darkseid/Dark Phoenix!! This was the last of the DC & Marvel crossover, until the late 90s, as Jim Shooter killed the cooperation on JLA/Avengers. However, this is the ebst of the bunch, in my opinion. It was Marvel's turn, so we get X-Men scribe Chris Claremont, with editor Louise Jones Simonson. The story goes that when discussing the story, Claremont said, "Darkseid, Dark Phoenix." Walt Simonson, overhearing this in the hall, poked his head in and said "Darkseid? I'm drawing it." Well, he had to sleep with the editor to get the gig; but, he made it look fantastic... The basic plot has Darkseid secretly visiting sleeping X-Men and stealing dreams of Jean Grey, which he will use to revive Phoenix. Raven has a dream of the Phoenix Force attacking her soul self and alerts the Titans. They track images down to Xavier's school and go after him. They get attacked by Darkseid's dog soldiers & parademons. The X-Men left earlier and track Darkseid's minions to the Southwest, to a place where Scott and Jean spent time, doing the horizontal mambo. Deathstroke is overseeing the construction of some kind of device. Wolverine tries to sneak up on him and fails. Terminator single handedly defeats the X-Men. The Titans are brought in. Darkseid uses his energy collector to manifest Dark Phoenix. His plan is to turn the Earth into a new Apokolips by useing Phoenix's energy to start a firepit. he leaves the two teams as inconsequential. They locate Metron's Mobius chair (left behind when he penetrated the Source Wall, at the start. They are able to use it to transport to Darkseid's location. The combined team attacks and a dual assualt by Xavier and Raven alters Dark Phoenix with images of the love they had for Jean, who turns on Darkseid. The story is a bit overdone in segments; but, handles all of the characters well and has some nice moments. Wolverine vs Deathstroke is kept inconclusive. Starfire heard about the Dark Phoenix while a prisoner of the Gordanians. Robin wonders why the two teams have never met before, since they both operate around New York. Kitty is attracted to Changeling and Peter is jealous. Changeling turns into a giant Lockheed, the dragon, so everyone can sit on the Mobius chair (Lockheed had only appeared in "Kitty's Fairy Tale," at this point). Walt makes it look great and probably drew the best Deathstroke, after George Perez. He gets to indulge his inner Kirby and go nuts with parademons, weird energy effects, strange machinery and typical Walt-ness. The New Teen Titans had a lot of parallels (deliberately) to the X-Men and were their biggest challenger on the newsstands. They also were part of the renaissance going on at DC. Darkseid was hot, with the Great Darkness Saga appearing at the same time. The X-Men were in space, ripping off Alien. The Teen Titans were reaching the climax of their battle with Blackfire, Starfire's sister and the Citadel, culminating in their first annual. It was a great time for comics an crossovers that should have continued with George Perez on JLA/Avengers (and a X-Men/Legion story, in development) that came to an end in acrimony. Still, for one brief shining moment, we had this. Are any of the other New Gods characters in this or just Darkseid? If it was just Darkseid, that's a problem, for me.
Also, it sounds very similar to the Darkseid/Galactus crossover, with the basic idea being Darkseid bites off more than he can chew, pretty much the standard for most of his DC appearances outside Kirby.
Probably nice artwork, though, with Simonson.
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Post by berkley on Dec 19, 2019 14:35:48 GMT -5
#6 Conan and ThorWhat if..? #39, 1978 (Marvel). Don't think I knew about this one, must look out for it. I almost included one of the earlier Conan in the 20th century What Ifs but went with somehting else instead.
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 19, 2019 14:43:35 GMT -5
6. Spider-Man and Punisher and Daredevil from Ultimate Spider-Man #6-8by Brian Michael Bendis and Bill Sienkiewicz I could have made 12 choices just out of this series. Bendis brings great artists to draw Spider-Man teaming up with various heroes. Wagner for Wolverine. Allred for Iron Man. Mahfood for Fantastic Four. Totleben for Man-Thing (seems like a no-brainer). I decided I would pick just one. This seemed to work. After all, it's the great Bill Sienkiewicz. Sienkiewicz of course famously worked on Daredevil before, teaming with Frank Miller for the Love & War graphic novel. It's good to see his return to the character. Now, it stretches the rules of its own series. The Spider-Man part. The first issue bills itself as a Spider-Man/Punisher crossover, but it's really a Punisher story. Spider-Man shows up on the last page, just kind of swinging around. The next part bills itself as Spider-Man/Punisher/Daredevil. But it's really only got Daredevil in it. Spider-Man's not even there, and Punisher finally meets Daredevil right at the end. They do all come together at the end, but Spider-Man provides only a twist by swinging blindly into a situation he doesn't understand and messing things up. Spider-Man's just a kid. He's trying to do the right thing, but doesn't know how. Daredevil has to be the adult in the room. Mostly this is a Punisher story, introducing us to the Ultimate version of Punisher, which looks a lot like regular Punisher. This is his origin. He was a cop, the only incorruptible one on the force. So some corrupt cops murdered his family trying to kill him. Now he's out for revenge. Daredevil shows up to try to convince him that the best path for justice is through the legal system. And Spider-Man shows up to make a mess out of things.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 19, 2019 14:48:55 GMT -5
Swamp-Thing #32 (DC, 1985); “Pog” by Alan Moore and Shawn McManus On the seventh day of Christmas Alan Moore brings to me...a tale most swampy. Before any comic books. Before the Batman TV show. My first love was Pogo. There was a set of vinyl Pogo figures that were a Procter & Gamble soap premium and they were among my early baby toys. The first paperback book I purchased with my own money was a copy of The Impollutable Pogo. So needless to say Alan Moore and Shawn McManus teaming up Swamp Thing and the Pogo gang (or a reasonable facsimile of them) is definitely going to make my list. On any given day this could be higher. But since I can piggy-back on Edo's write up and I'm still recovering from trial prep it's a good time. I'll just say that both Moore and McManus perfectly evoke the feel of Walt Kelly's writing and art in a beautiful tale. We have met the enemy. And he is us.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 19, 2019 14:50:37 GMT -5
6. X-Men/New Teen Titans1982 Darkseid/Dark Phoenix!! Are any of the other New Gods characters in this or just Darkseid? If it was just Darkseid, that's a problem, for me.
Also, it sounds very similar to the Darkseid/Galactus crossover, with the basic idea being Darkseid bites off more than he can chew, pretty much the standard for most of his DC appearances outside Kirby.
Probably nice artwork, though, with Simonson. Metron makes a brief appearance, but that's about it. However, I think this book still successfully conveys the grand scope of Kirby's epic... especially the ending.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 19, 2019 15:03:55 GMT -5
6. X-Men/New Teen Titans... Darkseid/Dark Phoenix!! I so desperately wanted to include this on my list and couldn't see how to make it fit the rules. Well done, sir. It doesn’t fit in my opinion. I might as well say Kronos vs The Grandmaster instead of JLA / Avengers.
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 19, 2019 15:30:01 GMT -5
I so desperately wanted to include this on my list and couldn't see how to make it fit the rules. Well done, sir. It doesn’t fit in my opinion. I might as well say Kronos vs The Grandmaster instead of JLA / Avengers. How does it not fit? There are at least three characters not normally associated with one another, who team up, leaving out the Titans and X-Men. Darkseid brings forth Dark Phoenix and they combine their might. I could easily say deathstroke and Darkseid team up, as he is working for Darkseid.
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Post by foxley on Dec 19, 2019 15:53:39 GMT -5
6. Conan/Solomon Kane, "Death's Dark Riders"/"Death's Dark Tower", Savage Sword of Conan #219-220 (Marvel, 1994)This was one of the first crossovers I thought of on reading this year's topic and, even more so than yesterday's entry, I felt I would be alone in having it on my list. I guess my taste in comics may not be so idiosyncratic as I sometimes think. As I wrote about in some detail last year, I am Robert E. Howard fan, and my favourite of Howard's characters is the Puritan swordsman and adventurer Solomon Kane. A team-up between Kane and Howard's most famous creation is an intriguing idea, but one that had a lot of potential to go wrong. But, I am happy to say, it does not. To us a phrase I have used before in describing this story, it works much better than it has any right to. What I am particularly happy with is that this is as much Kane's story as it is Conan's. Despite it being the barbarian's magazine, Kane is integral to the story and not just an add-on. And Roy Thomas nails Kane's personality. This is Howard's Kane, and everything that he does in this story has it antecedents in Howard's writing. Even his uneasy alliance with Conan turning into a friendship. On multiple occasions Kane found himself liking the company of boisterous warriors (John Silent springs to mind). Colin McNeil's sparse art style lends itself to depicting the lean and gaunt Solomon Kane. Not so much the muscular Conan, however. There was another Solomon Kane crossover I was considering but, on comparing the two, this is the superior story. I'll discuss the other possibility in the Near Misses thread. So Solomon Kane done right (with added Conan) earns my #6 slot.
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 19, 2019 15:55:36 GMT -5
Check the Advance Warning. Team-ups of teams are explicitly prohibited. Sorry.
Cei-U! I summon the rulebook!
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 19, 2019 16:11:24 GMT -5
6. Brave and the Bold 92 (Oct -Nov 1970, DC Comics) “Night Wears a Scarlet Shroud” Bob Haney and Nick Cardy
This one qualifies simply because it appeared in The Brave and the Bold; none of the characters who team up with Batman as the “Bat-Squad” ever had appeared or ever would again, NB: I did notice when rereading this that DC finally reached back to re-use the name Bat-Squad for another group of characters, thus scotching my theory that the Bat-Squad was the only DC creation of the (late) Silver Age not disinterred by the Retcon Squads. Okay, as a longtime fan of B and B (You thought only MWGallaher was?), I was fascinated by how and why Batman’s co-stars were chosen. By this time in my burgeoning fanhood, I realized that there usually was some correlation between the co-star and the co-star’s new title, possible comeback or because sales must have increased on his or her previous appearance. Thus the previous six issues had featured Deadman (second appearance); “The New” Wonder Woman (new direction); Wildcat (attempt at reigniting interest?); Phantom Stranger (plugging his new book); Adam Strange (plugging his minor reappearances in Strange Adventures?); and Black Canary (she was apparently becoming a star thanks to JLA and GL/GA). So when #92 shows up on the stands and I saw the “Bat-Squad” as the co-stars, I was at a loss. When I mentioned this story a while back, MWG thought that perhaps Haney was trying to capitalize on the popularity of the "Mod Squad" TV show, which was in the midst of its five-year run. That’s as good a theory as I’ve ever had. And it would it be just like Bob “Behind-the-Curve” Haney to figure that the members should be British since the British Invasion was absolutely just starting to sweep through American culture in 1970. (He said sarcastically.) Any bewilderment I felt hardly deterred me from picking up another Cardy-drawn masterpiece. Ever since Neal Adams had disappeared after that second Deadman team-up, I’d suffered from severe withdrawal symptoms. Irv Novick on Wildcat was fine, and Mike Sekowsky on WW was just what you’d expect, but the sheer blandness of Andru and Esposito on two characters they couldn’t have been less suited for (Strange and the Stranger) made for some very slow going. But Cardy on Black Canary in #91 (a story previously praised, and rightfully, by Reptisaurus! on Day One) was an unexpected pleasure, and to see that he was still on the art chores for this new issue, well, Batman could have teamed with Pope Paul VI and I would’ve loved it. The beautifully atmospheric Cardy cover sets the stereotypical London mood perfectly, and it never stops inside. Batman’s in England because Bruce Wayne’s investing in a movie based on the Scarlet Strangler (an obvious Ripper send-up) and he’s checking in on things. Bruce meets three folks on the fringe of the film: Margo Cantrell (“a script-girl”); Mick Murdock, a groovy rocker who plays appropriate mood music off-stage for the actors (“ I’m Mick Murdock…’Ave guitar, will wander”); and Major Dabney, a Scotland Yard man serving as technical adviser to director Basil Coventry, and Terry-Thomas near-lookalike. The pea-soup fog (Would it be any other kind?), the haunting guitar music, and some apparent method acting gone too far leads to a spooky mystery. It seems the Strangler has returned after 60+ years and is up to his murderous old tricks. All of this is perfectly suited to Cardy’s talents. Every page is lit mainly by reflected light, from a match lighting a pipe, a window surrounded by darkness, a bit of moonlight here and a shaft of light from an open door there. Only a very few panels show an interior or any kind of bright light. Cardy proves how great art can elevate an average story, something he did many times, let’s face it. Batman and the Squad set out without any Bat-arrogance or Bat-moodiness to work together to solve the mystery encountering ghostly carriages and a victim of the original Strangler forcing them to wonder if somehow they are slipping back and forth between 1906 and 1970. The Bat-Squad all perform brilliantly -- to Batman’s absolute delight; Bob Haney even throws in a tip-top Batman escape from an undetonated Nazi bomb. There’s a plethora of “Blimeys,” “bad shows,” “old boys,”and Bat-Chaps” from Major Dabney and scads of other typically excruciating Haney-talk, but it is all easily overlooked and forgiven by the Cardy art and the unexpectedly great camaraderie amongst Batman and his Squad. Looking at the story now, it looks as if it might have been intended to capture the spirit of the new horror and mystery books that were getting so popular. (The next issue of B and B featured Batman in the House of Mystery.) I love that in the last couple of panels, Batman and the Squad are like old friends, and everyone’s pitching for a reunion. I thought they were setting us up for further fun, but alas, the Bat-Squad never reappeared. I enjoyed my time with them, though and wish I hadn’t had to say, “Cheerio!”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 17:36:30 GMT -5
On the seventh day of Christmas, JMS brought to me a golden helmet and a green ring... Brave and the Bold #30 (DC; 2009-if B&B #29 was cutting it close, this one just squeezes in with an on sale date of 12/16/09 according to Mike's Amazing World of Comics) by J. Michael Straczynski & Jesus Saiz This one opens with a flashback to the Gray Man story in the DeMatteis/Giffen/Maguire Justice League series and Kent Nelson/Fate pondering his future after the dissolution of the Gray Man by the Lords of Order and a chance meeting with Hal Jordan on his way to deep space, which sets the stage for the events of the story in the (then) present. I won't go into plot, but the story is basically a thematic exploration of the conflict/relationship between Fate/Destiny (Dr. Fate) and free will (Hal/GL) and how they influence or are influenced by the choices we make. I first discovered this story in a magazine sized Green Lantern Spectacular that ran for 3 issues around the time of the Green Lantern movie that I picked up off the racks of our local Kroger. I later got a volume of JMS's B&B team-ups in tpb as part of the stuff I got at Ollie's and revisited this story, and it cemented its place among my favorite Doctor Fate stories and as a team up story that does more than just rely on the hype/excitement of the characters teaming up to carry it and actually does something interesting with the story. -M
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Post by rberman on Dec 19, 2019 17:50:08 GMT -5
#6: Daredevil and Ka-Zar (Daredevil #12-14, 1965-66, Jack Kirby, Stan Lee, John Romita, Frankie Ray (Giacoia): DD is one of the most quintessentially urban heroes, and Ka-Zar one of the least. But if anyone can bring them together, it would be Jack Kirby, who drew (and presumably plotted) an improbable tale in which Matt Murdock’s cruise ship is attacked by a villain who goes from Blackbeard to Captain Nemo to Doctor Doom to costumed crime boss all in the space of three insane issues. It doesn’t make a lick of sense, but the images are coming so fast, the reader has trouble slowing down to say, “Wait, how did…” All this, and Ka-Zar’s origin story too!
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 19, 2019 17:53:33 GMT -5
Fine....whatever...... Starman Annual #21997 "The Stars in My Eyes; Chapter Two-Summer and a Father's Choice." Jack and Sadie spend time together, before he heads off to the stars in search of her brother, Will Payton. The theme of the issue is sacrifice and we see how various Starmen have sacrificed for the greater good. This specific chapter deals with Ted Knight's team up with Black Canary, as originally told in The Barve & the Bold #61 & 62. Starman and Black Canary have teamed up to fight the Mist and The Huntress (aka the Tigress, the Golden Age villain, who married the Sportsmaster). She was female perfection in many of the JSA's eyes and she still looked like she was in her 20s, per Jack. However, as cops who are partners or others who find themselves in adrenaline charged fields have done, the two found themselves pulled by a sexual magnetism that comes with danger. These virtuous heroes have partners elsewhere, yet they succumb to temptation and break the rules. It's good, but post-coital talk turns to loved ones. Ted admits he loves his wife, from the moment he saw her. She tames the demons within him. Canary loves her husband, a poor private investigator. They get dressed to leave the motel they are at and run into a private eye, hired by the Mist to follow them. he reveals what he knows, about them and their families. They will stand down as the Mist commits a crime, or their spouses will be shown evidence of their affair. The pair ponder what to do... They take down the Mist's hoods and turn them over to the police. Red Bailey and Billy O'Dare had "a word" with the private eye and found the photos. A clumsy match destroyed them. Still, the pair decide to end it and return to their loved ones. The next day, ted finds out he is to be a father, as his wife is pregnant with David. The issue also sees Brian Savage give up a romance and David Knight call of his impending marriage, because he can't face the thought of a wife being used as a target to get to him. He leaves his fiancee and buries himself in his work, as Starman, only to be murdered by Kyle, the Mist's son. At the end of the issue, Sadie Falk confesses her love to Jack and tells him her name is Jayne Payton, sister of Will Payton and she wants Jack to find her brother; but, she is scared, because she loves Jack and he might not return. Thus would launch Jack into the stars, where he would encounter space cabbie, Swamp Thing, Jor-El, Adam Strange, Thom Kallor (Starboy, of the Legion) and, ultimately, Will Payton & Prince Gavyn, the other Starmen (sort of). Sometimes, even heroes break the rules.
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Post by Confessor on Dec 19, 2019 19:53:56 GMT -5
6. Spider-Man and the Black Cat - The Evil That Men Do (mini-series) (Marvel, 2002) I know that this Kevin Smith penned mini-series is one that can divide opinion sharply within Spider-Man fandom, not least because of its cliff-hanger, bait-and-switch rape scene involving the Black Cat...only to reveal later on in the series that Felicia Hardy was indeed raped during her college years. To be honest, I'm really not the biggest fan of Smith as a writer, a director, or even as a person, and I'll happily concede that this mini-series' handling of Felicia's trauma is clumsily done and a classic case of a male writer thinking that rape gives female characters depth. I mean, why else would Felicia become the Black Cat unless it was because she was raped? Sheesh...! However, despite all that, I've gotta say that I really enjoy this mini-series a lot. I liked it as it was coming out -- although we had a three-year delay between issues #3 and #4 -- and I've enjoyed it just as much on re-reads. One of the most interesting things about The Evil That Men Do is how the tone of the piece changes from fun to gritty to very dark over the course of the six issues, as the narrative focus takes in crime, debilitating drug use, murder, rape, and incestual child molestation. The thing is though, far from being the unrelentingly depressing saga that it might sound like, there are plenty of moments where this mini-series reads as a rather brilliant and hugely entertaining superhero story. One that delights in showing us just how much fun it must be to be a superhero in New York City. Smith's dialogue is extremely good, whether he's writing Spidey wise-cracking as he pummels criminals, having Black Cat and Spidey snipe at each other about whose fault it was that their relationship broke down, or penning some the story's quieter and darker moments. Certainly, even as a big fan of the comics that showed us Peter Parker and Felicia Hardy's romance back in the early '80s, it's hard to think of a time when a writer has made their relationship seem so believable and three-dimensional. Smith makes me care more for Peter and Felicia as a couple than the likes of Roger Stern or Bill Mantlo ever did. At its heart, The Evil That Men Do is a story about abuse, empowerment, and responsibility (well, it is a Spider-Man story, after all), but it's also a roller-coaster ride of action sequences and genuinely funny dialogue. That, along with the gorgeous artwork of Terry and Rachel Dodson, means that this team-up just had to make it into my Top 12, in spite of its faults.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 19, 2019 19:55:26 GMT -5
For the seventh day of CCF Christmas I give you when film franchises collide: Robocop Versus Terminator Dark Horse, 1992 This is one that really shouldn't have worked, I mean sure they're both sci-fi films that feature metallic men kicking ass but they both explore very different themes that make would seem to make them incompatible for anything other than a brainless brawl. However, with Frank Miller at the helm the book manages not only to make the two properties connect incredibly well but he also tells a compelling story that adds to the mythologies of both worlds. One of the main meditations of Robocop was always what is the nature of Alex Murphy? What makes a man? And here we saw that even without any flesh at all, having recreated himself in an entirely robot body(and later an army of Robocops) that Alex Murphy still remains meaning that man is more than what we're made of which was a fantastic realization. The Terminator realization isn't as deep but it was fun; as a kid I always wondered what the Terminators end game was, once they killed John Connor and defeated the humans in the future what were they going to do? Creating a robotic utopia seemed far fetched for a bunch of death's head robots, so would they just shut down? Here we get a much better answer and an absolutely amazing page by Walter Simonson : Yup, the Terminators plan is to concur the universe and destroy all chaotic life. All in all it's just a great book.
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