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Post by AceyBecey on Jan 14, 2015 20:56:25 GMT -5
One more thing that's fascinating about the old issues of Wizard is finding facts that are interesting in retrospect. Like Wizard #7 has a list of the top 100 comics of 1991.
Marvel published 91 of the top 100 best-selling comics of 1991; only DC's mini-series Robin II: the Joker's Wild cracked the top 50 as all four of its issues were surrounded by Marvel books on the charts. Marvel's best-sellers had two things in common: 41 of the top 50 comics were X-Men or Spider-Man titles, and 38 of the top 50 were illustrated by one of a handful of artists: Jim Lee, Rob Liefeld, Whilce Portacio or Marc Silvestri.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 23, 2015 18:48:04 GMT -5
Wizard and McFarlane: The Art of Co-Invention
AceyBecey's insight that McFarlane was a family friend of Shamus' before Wizard even launched has left me thinking, and I've come to understand a lot more about Wizard's scope and development from that revelation as a result. In fact, while it should be no surprise that McFarlane essentially made Wizard (that first issue cover and interview made scoring investors and advertisers a piece of cake, and McFarlane got Shamus access to top level talents for the issues that followed), it's only now occurring to me that, in a sense, Wizard made Todd McFarlane too.
Now we all know that McFarlane was already a household name in comicdom prior to Wizard ever launching. His work on Spider-Man had made him the most high profile artist in the field, but Todd wasn't where he wanted to be. In essence, I think he used Shamus and Wizard to launch the career he really wanted just as mutually as Shamus used McFarlane to launch his magazine.
Exhibit 1: Breaking free from Marvel (or, "Why Do You Build Me Up, Buttercup?")
McFarlane doesn't beat around the bush in that first issue interview, clearly articulating that he one day hopes to publish a book over which he has his own creative rights and control; something Marvel wasn't going to give him and no one else was in a position to. But Wizard's unrestrained adulation for Todd helped to establish a fan base that loved Todd McFarlane, and not just Todd McFarlane's work on Marvel properties. That moment in the interview was key as well -- it put the reader in Todd's corner, rooting for him, and more likely to follow his work should he leave Marvel and set out on his own. Without a mouth-piece like Wizard, Todd couldn't be sure, when making the decision to leave Marvel, that there would be a fan base out there to follow him.
Exhibit 2: Building a Movement (or, "I Get By with A Little Help from My Friends")
Think about virtually every creator Wizard gave a cover and feature interview to after McFarlane: they were nearly all newer, young artists who were colleagues (and often friends) of Todd's, all working at the same company too. Partly, this was because McFarlane could get Wizard access to these people, but even after Wizard begins to be a recognized force in the industry, it's continually using its influence to build hype for McFarlane's friends. Remember that McFarlane never wanted to go independent on his own; he always envisioned taking all the best with him (strength in numbers and all that). Wizard solidified that fanbase once again, ensuring that fans would follow these artists even if they left their favorite publisher and titles.
Exhibit 3: Todd's Departure (or, "You Say Goodbye, and I Say Hello")
It's rather convenient that McFarlane announced his departure from Marvel within months of Wizard growing into the most widely read and purchased news outlet in the comic industry. Again, Wizard's success and influence had offered him the assurance he needed before making that move. It's also worth noting that Wizard begins giving less and less attention to Marvel at this point and stops carrying their advertisements for a while. It's true that this might be because they lost their clout with Marvel after McFarlane left, but I doubt it. They were big news by this point. Also worth noting: they replaced many of those spaces with ads for Valiant, a company McFarlane was rooting for.
Exhibit 4: The Image Dilemma (or, "Are You Gonna Go My Way?")
How many times did I ask in this thread why Wizard wasn't ready to cover Image until months after it happened? McFarlane was already regularly flying Shamus out to LA to talk business long before this point (and they even hung with Rob Liefeld while he visited), and yet Wizard was the absolute last to discuss Youngblood #1. The reason now becomes apparent to me: McFarlane hadn't signed with Malibu yet. There was no "Image" until shortly before Youngblood #1 hit the stands. Wizard didn't jump on the bandwagon and start talking Image until McFarlane was onboard, at which point Spawn got a tremendous send-off.
And, of course, literally every issue since (aside from #16, when no new Image issues hit the shelf for a month), there has been extensive coverage of and hype supporting Image Comics.
It's true, at this point, that both Shamus and McFarlane are big enough that neither needs the other anymore, but there's little doubt the two benefited from each other immensely between 1991 and 1992, and it's entirely possible that neither would have attained the heights they achieved without the other.
Thoughts?
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Post by shaxper on Feb 1, 2015 16:38:19 GMT -5
Wizard #19 (March 1993) Ca-ching! Shamus begins this issue by explaining that nearly every article planned for this issue that isn't a regular feature has been bumped. The interview with John Ostrander and Jerry Ordway? -- next issue; the interview with ex-X-artists? -- also next issue; Rob Liefeld? -- bumped to issue #21. No explanation is given as to why, but whether the cause or the effect, Wizard replaced all this content with no less than ten additional full page ads (that's ten MORE than usual) all from Epic Comics, which occur every other page from #45-63. Additionally, we have seven full page ads from Image. They've never advertised here much before. Perhaps their sales slump over the past three issues, triggered by Image's constant delays, has them worried now. Of course, Market Watch assures us that Though fans and dealers alike bitch and moan regarding these delays, they continue to order and buy these books like they're going out of style. Hey, no bias here, right? Finally, whereas Valiant was once Wizard's biggest advertiser, they've cut down to three full page ads by this point. I guess they were looking at their sales figures too and realizing they were already getting the sales they needed. Probably the most disturbing thing about this issue, though, which is the lightest on content I've ever seen it in favor of more ad space, is that no less than three of the articles in the news section are actually advertisements for Wizard projects. There's the write-up on the upcoming Comic Fest '93 that Wizard has been promoting for three months now because it's a major partner in the event, the launch of Wizard's new comic supply line, and Wizard's upcoming Maxx 1/2 issue. Did we really pay $3.95 to read advertisements disguised as news articles for the company we just paid $3.95 to? The only full length interview included in this issue is with Roy Thomas about Avengers West Coast. Also, a new guy is hired to be the face of the price guide as of this issue in response to the criticisms the guide had been getting. He pledges to employ "painstaking research into the current market values of the books, even moreso than has been done in the past." Hindsight glimpses into the comic industry:Though Wizard has tried to initially ignore, later downplay, and finally insult the Death of Superman phenomenon, it's clearly still going at this point, even invading the Top 10 list with two back issues related to Superman's death for this month. Eventually, Wizard's going to have to take a 180 approach to all this and release their Death of Superman Special Edition, but they're back to ignoring the phenomenon for the moment. Valiant continues to grow, now announcing a line of trading cards coming out, as well as topping both the Top 10 and the #1 and #3 Picks from the Wizard's Hat for upcoming releases (Rai and the Future Force #9 and Magnus, Robot Fighter #24). Whereas Wizard keeps making the success of Valiant versus the subtle decline of Image into a matter of publishing delays, I think the more clear difference, once again, is that Valiant titles continue to attract attention after the first issue. Neither of the big Valiant picks for this month are first issues -- they offer quality and excitement beyond the first issue, whereas the strength of Image has largely been speculation that each #1 would be the start of some legendary franchise, even though those titles never seem to go anywhere momentous after their launches. Of course, Valiant, itself, is about to exceed its five minutes of fame after the excitement dies down from Turok #1. Marvel seems to have absolutely nothing going on right now beyond the question of who the X Traitor is. No major events, no exciting new series or storylines; Wizard can't even manage to make the new creative team taking over Wolverine sound exciting. Whether or not DC has anything coming up is harder to measure since Wizard seems dead set against giving them press. Even still, they took out a full page ad for the new Legionnaires ongoing in this issue. Market Watch releases a list of the Top 25 comics of 1992 in dollar value of orders according to Capital City Distribution, but I don't buy it. Spider-Man #26 (never even mentioned in Wizard) gets the top position, and Superman #75 clocks in at #4 when we KNOW it broke sales records. Marvel: 51.78% (things return to normal after the Death of Superman passes, even with Marvel essentially doing nothing new to boost sales) DC: 18.51% (still up from their low point before the Death of Superman, but not a good place to be) Malibu: 12.05 % (note: this figure still includes sales of Image comics) Valiant: 5.01% (down from their peak last month with Bloodshot #1, but still up from where they were previously) Dark Horse: 2.64% Wizard: 1.69% (that's right. Wizard is now selling enough copies to be included as of this issue. Pretty significant when you consider they have ONE publication per month) Others: 8.32% Industry news:Wizard is really trying to hype Continuity Comics, first with a major feature on them last issue and now a contest hyping their Deathwatch 2000 series. Marvel UK gets more attention in this issue than Marvel does (even with Wolverine on the cover) Kirby sells the rights to all of his unpublished properties to Topps, and they plan to get Roy Thomas, Steve Ditko, Don Heck, John Severin, and Gerry Conway involved. Mysterious fan favorite cover artist for Wizard, "Wittman," was actually Bart Sears. Shamus reveals this now that he has gone freelance and is no longer under contract. Very little in the way of news this month. Wizard shaping the comic book market?Beyond the obvious biases -- Image is great, and if you don't like what they're doing, you're "bitching and moaning"; DC sucks, and if you do like what they're doing, "Anyone who falls for all that over-hype deserves a slap across the face"; give Continuity Comics a chance -- all that Wizard's really interested in promoting in this issue is itself. Seems like no coincidence that the same month it starts counting its own projects and products as "news," it also includes itself in Market Watch's market shares report. And maybe they're not wrong to be doing that. Surely, as Image is faltering, Marvel is out of ideas, DC is desperately clinging to one idea, and Valiant is about to peak, Wizard's sales and reach just keep growing. The Guide to Comics is becoming bigger than the comics, themselves. No wonder the book continues to move toward a more multi-media scope. Wizard's Comic Watch:X-Men (1991) #4: 1st Omega Red X-Men (1991) #5: 2nd Omega Red Wizard's Top 10:1. Magnus Robot Fighter #12 (1st Turok) 2. Solar, Man of the Atom #10 (1st Eternal Warrior) 3. Rai #0 (1st new Rai) 4. Eternal Warrior #4 (1st Bloodshot) 5. Spawn #4 (low print run, Image #0 coupon) 6. Eternal Warrior #5 (2nd Bloodshot) 7. Rai #4 (low print run) 8. Venom #1 9. Superman #66 (possible first appearance of Doomsday) 10. Superman Special #1 (possible solution to how Superman will return from the dead) A little more of the ol' Wizard bias pops up here as they mock the two DC entries at the bottom of the list, all while continuing to ignore the sensation Superman #75 has caused. Also interesting that their Comic Watch keeps focusing on X-Men first appearances when there isn't a single X-Men book on the Top 10 (and, in fact only one Marvel book). Who would have thought we'd ever see the day that, of the top four comic publishers, Marvel would be the least represented on this list? Final Thoughts:Wizard: The Guide that sells itself
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Post by shaxper on Mar 3, 2015 9:25:30 GMT -5
Wizard #21 (May 1993) Though the comic book world may be stuck in a significant rut at this point, with very little new happening and folks about to realize the big boom has passed its watermark, this is an interesting issue for Wizard itself, as we finally see the big shake-ups Shamus promised in reaction to the reader survey given out in issue #18. Many of the changes are superficial, and some involve the addition and removal of features that aren't really of interest to this thread (do we really care that they added a Hunk and Babe of the Month?), but a more significant shake-up comes in the form of Wizard backing off on its two biggest biases regarding DC and Image. For the first time ever, DC gets the front of the news section, taking up nearly a full page, and it's not because DC has anything particularly amazing in the works. Lobo, Robin, Supergirl, and the Metropolis Special Crimes Unit were hardly properties that were suddenly exploding in the Spring of 1993, but it would seem Wizard finally got an earful from fans that actually like DC and were sick of seeing it completely ignored by Wizard. Batman/Grendel gets its own separate article later in the news section as well. Later in the issue, we get a big article hyping the four new Supermen and enticing the fans by trying to solve the manufactured mystery of which one will turn out to be the real Superman back from the dead. It's Wizard's hype machine at its best, working for DC for once. Heck, even Market Watch of all places begins discussing the rumors about the upcoming Death of Batman and the roles Azrael and Bane are allegedly going to play in it, encouraging collectors to run out and buy their first appearances. Wizard's finally beginning to realize that, while Marvel spent three years getting rich off of repackaging old ideas with shiny covers and collectible #1 issues, DC is actually doing some interesting stuff, even if the Death and Return of Superman stuff really is just a stunt. It's still better than watching X-Men do nothing particularly new in far too many titles. To add to Wizard's reversal of its previous biases, it takes an interesting approach to Image with this issue, purposefully reuniting interviewer Patrick O'Neill and Rob Liefeld for a follow-up to their interview from Wizard #10, in which the gloves were clearly off. O'Neill is the only staff writer who regularly combats the hype and pushes for quality books instead, so having him interview Liefeld proved incredibly interesting, as he asked all the tough questions that must have made Shamus turn red. After that interview, O'Neill was never allowed to interview the Image guys again, and each interview with them that followed shamelessly stroked the interviewee's ego. But apparently fans preferred O'Neill's approach, and so he's back asking all the right questions, and (to Liefeld's credit) Rob takes them mostly in stride. A few excerpts: On expanding too quickly: On whether or not Erik Larson being Liefeld's editor actually means anything: O'Neil goes on to point out the excessive delays, to which Liefeld can only say that they are putting out quality work, and O'Neill even suggests that the company is on shaky legal ground with its trademarks and copyrights. Liefeld is a good sport, but O'Neil is merciless in exposing Image as an incompetent publisher destined to run into serious problems. Market Watch also finally drops the ruse that Image back issues are selling well, conceding that Valiant essentially is the back issue market right now, with very little moving from any other publisher. So, to recap, Wizard is now pro-DC and critical of Image (while still promoting them, of course), and very little is said about Marvel at all. Who'd of thunk it? Hindsight glimpses into the comic industry:Not much happening...at all. Interesting that we watch Wizard continue to hone its own product and expand out into other ventures (comic supplies, comic conventions, special editions) while the industry it was created to cover is getting stuck in the mud. I guess we can begin to see how Wizard will survive the bursting of the '90s bubble as a multimedia magazine while the comic industry as a whole will spiral into an all time low by the end of the decade. Marvel: 46.51% (down 2%) DC: 15.66% (down 5%. Valiant is getting uncomfortably close to passing them!) Malibu: 15.56% (this should be the last month that Image will be included in this number. I'm very curious to see how much of sales belong to each company) Valiant: 9.62% (up 3.5%. A new high) Other: 9.41% (A new high. Apparently, some of these smaller universes are selling) Dark Horse: 3.24% (same) So Marvel and Dark Horse are standing still, the Death of Superman offered DC temporary relief, but the company is back in trouble again, and everyone else is biting at their heels. Worth noting that Wizard's new focus on DC is clearly not a response to a surge in their sales (this is the lowest their sales have ever been) nor to anything particularly exciting they have coming out this month. It has to be a reaction to fan feedback from the issue #18 survey. Industry news:The excitement over the Death of Superman is waning, and DC is working hard to revive it with the four new Supermen and the now hinted at subsequent return of Superman himself. Marvel doesn't appear to be doing much of anything...at all. Image is continuing to solicit a slew of upcoming #1s even as Liefeld concedes in his interview that they're pulling a lot of books that simply won't be ready in time. Valiant is the only mainstream company that appears to have their ducks in a row this month, with Turok #1 causing a stir, followed by Secret Weapons #1 and the Deathmate crossover, as well as buzz continuing to surround the new direction for Magnus: Robot Fighter and Rai and the Future Force. A lot of content and ad space continues to be devoted to smaller publishers attempting to launch superhero titles and universes, including Harris Comics, Continuity Comics, Defiant Comics, Topps Comics, Malibu Comics, ARComics, and Frontier Comics, but what doesn't get any further mention in this issue is the upcoming Dark Horse superhero universe we were hearing so much about last time around. Wizard shaping the comic book market?It would seem that the fans shaped Wizard this time around, or at least called Wizard out in its responsibility to be less biased in attempting to shape the market. I guess the real acid test will be that, assuming Wizard keeps up its new interest in DC, will we see DC's numbers consistently rise beyond the Superman and Batman hyped events coming our way? If DC rises out of the 15-20% market share slot, then it's likely Wizard did play a role in its lack of performance over the past three years. And if Marvel starts finally losing its control over half the market while doing absolutely nothing of interest to warrant those sales, that will tell us something too. Wizard's Comic Watch:Ah, the one place in Wizard where the old biases still remain strong. Marvel hasn't been doing well in the back issue bins for months now (New Mutants #98 and Spidey #300 aside), so giving both books to Marvel seems...unrealistic. Web of Spider-Man #18: Possible 1st cameo of Venom (okay, this one makes sense considering how Spider #300 is doing) Thor #391: 1st Eric Masterson (the new Thor) Wizard's Top 10:I don't think we've ever seen this much stagnation on the Top 10. Pretty much the same books for the last three months. 1. Magnus Robot Fighter #12 (1st Turok) 2. Rai #3 (low print run) 3. Rai #4 (low print run) 4. X-O Manowar #4 (1st Jack Boniface, later Shadowman) 5. Rai #0 (sets up the Deathmate crossover, 1st new Rai, lays the foundation of the Valiant Universe) 6. Solar, Man of the Atom #14 (1st Fred Bender, later Dr. Eclipse) 7. Spawn #4 (low print run, Image #0 coupon) 8. Superman #66 (possible first appearance of Doomsday) 9. Shadowman #8 (1st Master Darque) 10. Simpsons Comics and Stories #1 Final thoughts:The industry is more or less out of ideas. Marvel has become status quo, DC is trying to rally interest and finally has a platform with which to do it, but doesn't really seem to know what to do, Image is badly mismanaged and folks are starting to notice, and Valiant is doing some things right but has maxed out its hype factory after Bloodshot #1 and Turok #1. Deathmate will be a nail in the coffin. Meanwhile, Wizard, itself, continues to grow as both a product and a company.
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Post by Dizzy D on Mar 3, 2015 10:20:33 GMT -5
On whether or not Erik Larson being Liefeld's editor actually means anything: Honestly, I don't see a (big) problem here. It's the inverse of the situation at Marvel and DC where the opposite happened (happens?): the editor is always right, so go redraw those five pages before the deadline next Tuesday because we need to fit it in with our planned crossover. And that situation was even worse. Ideally you'd want neither side to have full power though and actually engage in dialogue with each other to get the best product (getting the artist and the editor to think on why they made certain decisions).
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Post by shaxper on Mar 3, 2015 10:31:50 GMT -5
On whether or not Erik Larson being Liefeld's editor actually means anything: Honestly, I don't see a (big) problem here. It's the inverse of the situation at Marvel and DC where the opposite happened (happens?): the editor is always right, so go redraw those five pages before the deadline next Tuesday That hasn't really been the case since the Silver Age. In fact, there were instances in the 80s and 90s of powerful artists and writers completely circumventing their editors (McFarlane did this at Marvel) or clashing with their editors and getting them off the book (John Byrne did this to Andy Helfer at DC). Agreed. And while the Big Two may have been struggling to get the balance right themselves, O'Neill's point is that it was a farce at Image. With one guy doing art and writing AND being the creator and copyright holder AND desperately trying to meet deadlines, there was absolutely zero quality assurance.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 3, 2015 11:29:30 GMT -5
There was quite a bit of that not so long ago at the beginning of DCs new 52, where various creators left DC because of the constant editorial interference. Various writers and artists came out that they had to deal with last minute rewrites/redraws all the time. It has improved since then though, but this was like 2-3 years ago and the creators that left weren't small names (Perez, Marz, Robinson and others). I can't comment on what's happened in recent years as I no longer follow the industry, but that certainly wasn't the situation Liefeld nor any of the Image creators were in while still working at Marvel. I thoroughly disagree. Most of the bigger independents employ strong editors who are able to initiate and participate in the kind of bi-directional conversations you spoke of in your previous post. Since we're talking the early 1990s, let's use Valiant as an example. Jim Shooter was a heavy handed editor, but they replaced him with Bob Layton, who was better at achieving that balance. Meanwhile, Stan Sakai (creator of Usagi Yojimbo) has often spoken highly of his editor at Dark Horse who always had that balance right with him. Essentially, the Image folks left a place where they had very little oversight and moved into a situation where they had even less. And, at the end of the day, I'd rather have an overly managed book that plays it too safe but gets published on time and tells a competent story than a book that's delayed endlessly and lacks coherence when it finally arrives.
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Post by Randle-El on Mar 3, 2015 12:01:19 GMT -5
There was quite a bit of that not so long ago at the beginning of DCs new 52, where various creators left DC because of the constant editorial interference. Various writers and artists came out that they had to deal with last minute rewrites/redraws all the time. It has improved since then though, but this was like 2-3 years ago and the creators that left weren't small names (Perez, Marz, Robinson and others). I can't comment on what's happened in recent years as I no longer follow the industry, but that certainly wasn't the situation Liefeld nor any of the Image creators were in while still working at Marvel. From what I recall, it seemed like there was a big blow-up every other week about some creator leaving DC during the first or second year of the New 52. George Perez was a big one, and he commented publicly on it. I'm sure you can find interviews with him talking about if you Google search. I also recall Andy Diggle being announced as the writer for Superman, and then another announcement saying he was leaving before his first issue even hit the stands. Rob Liefeld also had a very public Twitter meltdown when he left DC. I think it's calmed down a bit in the last couple of years though. Regarding the Image guys when they were at Marvel -- I actually think there's still a little bit of that going on. Going back to DC, it's pretty clear who the golden boys are. They pretty much let guys like Scott Snyder and Grant Morrison do whatever they want. In fact, that was one of George Perez's complaints. Perez was writing Superman and Morrison was writing Action Comics at the start of the New 52, and apparently Perez was in the dark about what Morrison was doing, so it made it harder for him to make certain story decisions -- especially given that Morrison's story was set in the past, while Perez's story was set in the present day. The thing with golden boy types in any organization is that there are only so many of them, and no matter how well-intentioned management may be, the non-golden boys will end up having to accommodate them.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 3, 2015 12:28:50 GMT -5
The thing with golden boy types in any organization is that there are only so many of them, and no matter how well-intentioned management may be, the non-golden boys will end up having to accommodate them. You know, this gets me thinking it's entirely possible that Liefeld and the other Image guys simply didn't know what an editor was actually supposed to do. Maybe they'd never experienced editorial oversight, or at least not since their earliest days working for the Big Two.
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Post by Dizzy D on Mar 3, 2015 14:01:22 GMT -5
I thoroughly disagree. Most of the bigger independents employ strong editors who are able to initiate and participate in the kind of bi-directional conversations you spoke of in your previous post. Since we're talking the early 1990s, let's use Valiant as an example. Jim Shooter was a heavy handed editor, but they replaced him with Bob Layton, who was better at achieving that balance. Meanwhile, Stan Sakai (creator of Usagi Yojimbo) has often spoken highly of his editor at Dark Horse who always had that balance right with him. Essentially, the Image folks left a place where they had very little oversight and moved into a situation where they had even less. And, at the end of the day, I'd rather have an overly managed book that plays it too safe but gets published on time and tells a competent story than a book that's delayed endlessly and lacks coherence when it finally arrives. Not exactly what I meant: I was more pointing out that one guy doing art and writing AND being the creator and copyright holder is a normal situation for any independent comic. Of course, good writers and good artists know the value of a good editor and will consider his/her editor's creative input, but in the end if there is a disagreement between editor and artist, the artist is going to get the last say on what's going appear on paper and O'Neill is framing it like this is a problem. (And let's be honest, no editor is going to save Liefeld's work. And people interesting in Youngblood know exactly what they are going to get.)
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Post by shaxper on Mar 4, 2015 20:39:56 GMT -5
Agreed. And while the Big Two may have been struggling to get the balance right themselves, O'Neill's point is that it was a farce at Image. With one guy doing art and writing AND being the creator and copyright holder AND desperately trying to meet deadlines, there was absolutely zero quality assurance. In my opinion, all those things (except meeting deadlines) usually spell out better quality. Of course the creator has to have talent from the start, but assuming the creator does have talent. Giving them free reign on their product is always a positive note to me. I think the part that you missed, though, is the "desperately trying to meet deadlines" piece. After all, as the quote above the one we're discussing indicated, Liefeld was churning out Yearbooks, zero issues, and solo titles like crazy while still struggling to get the regular Youngblood series off the ground and launch several other titles simultaneously. I don't know a creator alive, no matter how talented, who could churn out that much work and still keep it quality. Even if Liefeld was talented, there'd be no way to do all of that well, especially without someone looking over his shoulder who could tell him "Look man, this really isn't your best work." Keep in mind that the adoration he was receiving wasn't based on what he'd already produced, but rather on the promise of what was to come. He was building a universe; the appeal of Youngblood was that that universe would grow and become something strong, and that these early issues would have been its foundation. That's why it's important for O'Neill to point out that he did not have his sh*t together and had no realistic plan for keeping to the schedules he'd set for himself nor for churning out quality work while trying to meet those schedules. Youngblood was a house of cards, and perhaps all of the early image titles were part of that house of cards by extension. It's not about what a creator has a right to do; it's about recognizing that he was making promises he couldn't hope to keep. Dave Sim self-published as writer, artist, creator, copyright holder and editor, and promised a 300 issue series, and he's celebrated in that very same issue by that very same interviewer. His plan was solid; his promise was deliverable. Liefeld, on the other hand, was an optimist talking out of his arse.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 22:06:56 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not a fan of deadlines. Or multi title universes. Dave Sim did something monumental, sure. But I'm still not a sticlker for a regular comic like that. If a comic comes out annually, semiannually, that's fine with me. Some of my favorite comics have deadline complaints in the letters section. One of them being Love And Rockets, to which Gary Groth gave a fantastic reply I had reposted on CBR a few times in the past. It was during the Death Of Speedy/Human Diastrophism era, where Groth basically says comics that focus on deadlines don't give a whit about art and the complaining readers will thank him for not demanding the Bros turn something in when it's time rather than when it's done. He said years from now we would be looking at that series as a high watermark of comics as an art form. He was right. I'm of the opinion that even if Youngblood and all of Liefeld's creations came out on time as promised, none of them would be remembered as high watermarks of the art form.
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Post by MDG on Mar 5, 2015 10:48:43 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not a fan of deadlines. Or multi title universes. Dave Sim did something monumental, sure. But I'm still not a sticlker for a regular comic like that. If a comic comes out annually, semiannually, that's fine with me. Some of my favorite comics have deadline complaints in the letters section. One of them being Love And Rockets, to which Gary Groth gave a fantastic reply I had reposted on CBR a few times in the past. It was during the Death Of Speedy/Human Diastrophism era, where Groth basically says comics that focus on deadlines don't give a whit about art and the complaining readers will thank him for not demanding the Bros turn something in when it's time rather than when it's done. He said years from now we would be looking at that series as a high watermark of comics as an art form. He was right. I'm of the opinion that even if Youngblood and all of Liefeld's creations came out on time as promised, none of them would be remembered as high watermarks of the art form. Yes, but Groth has a business model that could support that at the time--more like book publishing than magazine, B&W, low print runs. But color publishers had to (and may still have to) reserve press time on color presses months in advance and pay penalties even if they didn't have a book ready to print.
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Post by shaxper on May 25, 2015 19:52:51 GMT -5
Wizard #24 (August 1993) Ah, the controversial cover in which Wizard apparently ran the above advance image of Azrael as Batman against DC's wishes. Funny thing is though, Advance Comics' advertisement in this issue sports a cover that also has Azrael as Batman on it. Go figure... Well the party really does seem to be wrapping up at this point. Even the letter column, much to Pat McCallum's surprise, reflect the voices of fans who have awoken out of their daze and no longer want the Kool-Aid. Two criticize Wizard for depicting female heroes as sex objects (Wow. I didn't think Wizard fans had it in them), and one criticizes Wizard for being too much of a mouthpiece for Image. "Geez, usually by this time I'd have answered about half a dozen silly questions and at least one hate letter from some jerk," responds McCallum. Hindsight glimpses into the comic industry:Though Deathmate is in full swing and yet to miss a deadline, Gareb Shamus has to apologize for the absence of the second part of a promised Rob Liefeld sneak preview because Liefeld has (surprise!) fallen behind on his deadlines. Meanwhile, Savage Dragon is now up to issue #3. The book launched as a monthly title over a year ago. Seriously, Market Watch goes on to admire the fact that Spawn is the consistently top selling monthly comic book right now, but that's likely because it's the ONLY Image comic getting out on time each month, and considering the amount of hype that publisher has received, their one consistently published book had better be doing well. Meanwhile, the hype surrounding "Knightfall" has convinced fans that DC is worth paying more attention to. Death of Superman and Reign of Superman back issues are now back in demand, Batman back issues are quickly rising in value, and Wizard even gives their lead interview to Peter David about writing Aquaman. Seriously...Aquaman. Granted, Peter David had star power at this point, but that's quite a departure from Wizard full blown ignoring even the biggest things DC was doing as recently as six months ago. DC is also pimping Batman out for a slew of crossovers, including with Grendel and Spawn. For the moment, they are where the buzz is. And Wizard, very much aware of how fleeting a moment can be, isn't sure where to turn the spotlight next. They write off Continuity Comics as of this issue and the luke-warm reception Deathwatch 2000 has received, but will the next big thing be Defiant, Malibu, Dark Horse's Greatest World, or will it revert to Image, Valiant, or stay with DC? The only thing they seem sure of is that Marvel is out of gas, even though Wizard's about to give the X-Men their own 30th Anniversary Special Edition this very month. Incidentally, no one seems at all interested in it being the Avengers' 30th anniversary as well. Marvel: 35.46% (up slightly, but still shockingly low for the publisher) Image: 22.63% (wow. Their first time being measured without Malibu, and they came in at #2 for the month) DC: 20.32% (their slump prior to Knightfall beginning) Valiant: 9.74% (up slightly) Dark Horse: 1.82 % (still struggling to remain visible) Other: 10.03% I wonder what the reason was for Topps' spike last month, as they are off the radar once again with this issue. Industry news:DC is currently on top, but that's pretty much all riding on the hype of Knightfall. Can DC capitalize on that and sell fans on some other properties before their minute of fame is up? Marvel seems to have absolutely nothing in the works beyond reinventing Daredevil and putting Tony Stark back in the armor. Image is still launching a new title for every prime hour of the day, but few of them appear to really be sticking. Spawn and Cyberforce are the only two that Market Watch recognizes as continuing to hold fans' interest. Valiant just keeps churning out new surprise first appearances ahead of their ongoing slew of new titles, but most of the excitement is gone. Wizard is beginning to wonder if the magic didn't leave along with Jim Shooter, and so his new company, Defiant, gets a nice featured article in this issue. Also, a VF copy of Action Comics #1 is about to go on auction at Southbys and is expected to fetch $80,000. Remember when that sounded like a lot of money for a bunch of printed paper and staples? Who would have thought that, twenty years later, you could turn around and sell it for about twenty times that amount? Wizard shaping the comic book market?The market has become a speeding car without a driver, and no one's quite sure where it's headed and whether or not a crash will soon follow. The market is more fractured than its ever been with no stable publisher really holding on to sales. Even Marvel is down more than 50% from its high over the past two years. Wizard's Comic Watch:Superman: The Man of Steel #1: 1st appearance of the Eradicator, who is expected to turn out to be one of the four new Supermen. Megaton #1: 1st appearance of Vanguard, a dude who is scheduled to return in a flipbook shared with Savage Dragon #2. I think Wizard messed up their timeline a bit, though. Savage Dragon #3 is already published. Wizard's Top TenApparently, Valiant's practice of sneaking first appearances into their books is working right now. Fans are still speculating like its 1991. 1. Bloodshot #1 (1st Ninjak) 2. Shadowman #16 (1st Dr. Mirage)3. Sword of Azrael #1 (1st Azrael) 4. Vengeance of Bane #1 (1st Bane) 5. Batman #492 (part 1 of Knightfall) 6. Spawn #4 (low print run, Image #0 coupon) 7. Spawn #2 (get this -- lower print run than #1. Seriously)8. Youngblood #2 (1st Shadowhawk; 1st Prophet) 9. Rai #0 (sets up the Deathmate crossover, 1st new Rai, lays the foundation of the Valiant Universe) 10. Amazing Spider-Man #300 (1st full Venom) Final Thoughts:Even Wizard doesn't understand the comic book market anymore, but, interesting enough, though it's finally grown critical of Image and Rob Liefeld, it's also still worshipping Todd McFarlane. "That McFarlane boy is certainly a smart cookie. Instead of getting lost with all the other names involved with the Deathmate crossover series, he's keeping the highest profile possible by doing team-ups with only Spawn and one other character, like working with Neal Adams on the Valeria the She-Bat crossover, and with DC on the upcoming Spawn/Batman crossover. Like we said before, he's one smart cookie. Anyway, before we're accused of brown-nosing or something, this issue, like most of the Spawn back issues (with the exception of the mega-print run issues #1), is experiencing brisk sales thanks to dealers dropping their orders (just a little, mind you) after issue one." What the hell was that? Most of that paragraph had absolutely nothing to do with Spawn #2 or the Top 10 and was just random praise of Todd McFarlane in contrast to the rest of the Image staff, finally spending the very last sentence explaining why Spawn #2 is on this list, which really just comes off as a commercial for why everyone should continue to buy Spawn and see it as a good investment. Need I remind you all that Wizard has a definite agenda for promoting Todd McFarlane?
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Post by shaxper on May 26, 2015 20:31:43 GMT -5
Wizard: X-Men Turn Thirty (August 1993) In response to my review of Wizard's Superman Tribute Edition, dupont2005 suggested that the reason for the special edition may have simply been that DC paid for it. That certainly feels like the story behind this special edition, which is far more promotional in nature than lovingly assembled in the way that the last two special editions were. After all, the lead feature of the book is a whopping twelve page write-up of where the X-titles are heading now, including extensive input from editor Bob Harras himself. As further proof that this was likely done at Marvel's request, Chris Claremont's interview (one would think this would be the big draw of the issue) gets pushed to the middle of the issue, after the gatefold poster and before the centerfold, traditionally the least likely part of the magazine for someone to flip to randomly and, thus, not premium space at all. Ahead of his interview is a write-up about John Byrne's contributions to the franchise (note: not even an interview), a write-up of every key member of every X team, a bunch of ads, and (yes) 12 pages of advertising for the languishing current X-titles. Really, there's almost nothing remarkable about this special edition. Stan Lee misremembers a bunch of stuff (he even explains how he created the Angel, completely forgetting the original Golden Age character), Dave Cochrum literally takes full credit for inventing every member of the All-New All-Different X-Men except for Wolverine, we get a section highlighting the Saturday Morning animated series, complete with episode guide, a list of the artists who worked on and defined the X-Men, a list of hot artists who built their reps on the X-titles and then left for Image, and two features on the death of Doug Ramsey. Really, the only treat in this issue (unless you didn't already know the stories Claremont goes into about starting on the X-Men, the death of Jean Grey, and the decision to resurrect her against his wishes), is this quote that Louise Simonson gives about Bob Harras during her interview about her time on New Mutants and X-Factor: "My problems were not so much with Liefeld, because all freelancers are greedy and like to grab what they can, and that's fine. I was an editor for a long time, and I know how that works. My problems were really with the editor, who was not handling things well at all. It's up to an editor to choose the people who will work on any given project, and to let them know when their services are no longer needed. I think that Bob was not willing to make those decisions. What he did to me, to Chris Claremont, to Peter David, and to Jo Duffy, was to nickel-and-dime us to death. He would change plots and blame it on the artists. He would change dialogue, and then say 'I'm sorry, but I tried to call you and you weren't home,' or 'I'll be sure and tell you the next time.' He would change some of the dialogue, but not other parts, so the things people said wouldn't make sense. It was his way of letting you know he was wishing you'd go away." If Marvel really did pay for this Special Edition, then it's at least impressive that Wizard asked Simonson about Harras and then published this response. They mention Harras and imply that he has mismanaged his talent at least one other time in the book as well, when introducing Chris Claremont's interview. It is worth noting, though, that Simonson's interview appears about 25 pages from the back of the book -- another dead spot that people never flip to. Overall, this is a sincere disappointment considering the quality and passion Wizard put into both The 100 Most Collectible Comics, and The Superman Tribute Edition. Did Wizard continue doing Special Editions after this point? My knowledge of most things Wizard pretty much drops out around here.
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