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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 16:37:53 GMT -5
Stop trying to create a shared universe with a single continuity that covers 80 years of stories with characters you won't let age 5 years over the course of it, and you wouldn't have this problem. Or you can have something like "ok Action 1-382 covers Superman's adventures on Monday, Tuesday covers Superman #1-283, then Wednesday is World's Fair/Best/Finest 1-83, then Thursday is... to make it all fit  -M |
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Post by Duragizer on Jan 12, 2020 17:48:55 GMT -5
Already I'm at odds with this new timeline. Superman should be the first superhero. Superman hasn’t been the first superhero for over thirty years. A stupid development which was bad then, too. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 12, 2020 18:06:28 GMT -5
Superman hasn’t been the first superhero for over thirty years. A stupid development which was bad then, too. Agreed. But he was still predated by Doctor Occult. If you’re going to have a shared universe everyone has to share. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 12, 2020 18:10:53 GMT -5
Stop trying to create a shared universe with a single continuity that covers 80 years of stories with characters you won't let age 5 years over the course of it, and you wouldn't have this problem. Or you can have something like "ok Action 1-382 covers Superman's adventures on Monday, Tuesday covers Superman #1-283, then Wednesday is World's Fair/Best/Finest 1-83, then Thursday is... to make it all fit -M This is one of the reasons that P. J. Farmer didn’t like including comic book characters in the Wold Newton Universe. The sheer number of adventures couldn’t be fit into a human lifetime. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 12, 2020 18:29:25 GMT -5
I’m a bit lost...
Is there a “regular” DC universe now? The equivalent of the pre-Crisis Earth-1 or the immediately post-Crisis one?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 12, 2020 18:31:14 GMT -5
I’m a bit lost... Is there a “regular” DC universe now? The equivalent of the pre-Crisis Earth-1 or the immediately post-Crisis one? Don’t worry about it. It will change in a couple months as soon as the sales boost dissipates. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 12, 2020 18:37:16 GMT -5
I’m a bit lost... Is there a “regular” DC universe now? The equivalent of the pre-Crisis Earth-1 or the immediately post-Crisis one? Don’t worry about it. It will change in a couple months as soon as the sales boost dissipates. Hah!  I have no doubt. I’m just curious as to how things stand. I sort of lost track with the New52, when most or all comic-book news sites turned into clickbait lists. |
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Post by Duragizer on Jan 12, 2020 18:55:40 GMT -5
A stupid development which was bad then, too. Agreed. But he was still predated by Doctor Occult. If you’re going to have a shared universe everyone has to share. Ah. I wasn't sure if Doctor Occult was considered a superhero or not. |
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Post by rberman on Jan 12, 2020 19:51:18 GMT -5
Legacy numbering? Great. Now please keep it for all eternity so that those of us still alive in the 853rd century can buy a millionth copy of a DC title! They are way ahead of you. Issue #1,000,000 of flagship titles were already published across the whole DC line.  These stories involving heroes from the 853th century were incorporated into Grant Morrison's All-Star Superman. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 22:38:22 GMT -5
I’m a bit lost... Is there a “regular” DC universe now? The equivalent of the pre-Crisis Earth-1 or the immediately post-Crisis one? If you look at the stuff posted over in the news, notes, etc. thread there is same discussion of what DC is doing with their timeline, continuity and their 5G plans. A lot of it is still pure speculation and rumor, some of it fed by DC and Didio with glimpses at the chart as a work in progress, but what shape it all actually takes will start being rolled out this spring beginning in WW #750 and Flash #750 and some hints of what it will be were given in a roundabout way in Doomsday Clock #12. Where is goes from there, only DC knows for sure at this point, but the gist is that there have been 5 generations of Heroes and every major crisis has created a new generation with a new timeline, but did not destroy the previous timeline/earth, so there is an Earth 1985 left behind by Crisis on Infinite Earth for example. What will actually be in print getting new stories though, is anybody's guess at this point. -M |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 5:54:11 GMT -5
Legacy numbering? Great. Now please keep it for all eternity so that those of us still alive in the 853rd century can buy a millionth copy of a DC title! They are way ahead of you. Issue #1,000,000 of flagship titles were already published across the whole DC line. These stories involving heroes from the 853th century were incorporated into Grant Morrison's All-Star Superman.I knew that. I've read it! You don't think I did the math myself, counting how many days it would be until there was a millionth issue. DC did that years ago.  |
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Post by rberman on Jan 13, 2020 9:02:52 GMT -5
You don't think I did the math myself, counting how many days it would be until there was a millionth issue. We have great confidence in your ability to divide by 12. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 11:41:11 GMT -5
Controversial, and this has no authority behind it, but I have never considered the likes of Doctor Occult to be superheroes.
What constitutes a superhero is a long, complex discussion without consensus. Is the Lone Ranger? Tarzan? The Three Musketeers? Do they have to have super powers? If so, that would exclude Batman and Captain America. Do they have to have costumes? I would say so, but that would exclude the likes of Swamp Thing and Groot. It's not an easy designation to come up with - and one worthy of discussion down the road.
But I just can't think of Doctor Occult as a superhero. Sorry, Slam!
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Post by rberman on Jan 13, 2020 11:54:01 GMT -5
Controversial, and this has no authority behind it, but I have never considered the likes of Doctor Occult to be superheroes. What constitutes a superhero is a long, complex discussion without consensus. Is the Lone Ranger? Tarzan? The Three Musketeers? Do they have to have super powers? If so, that would exclude Batman and Captain America. Do they have to have costumes? I would say so, but that would exclude the likes of Swamp Thing and Groot. It's not an easy designation to come up with - and one worthy of discussion down the road. But I just can't think of Doctor Occult as a superhero. Sorry, Slam! As with many concepts, there's the prototype (Superman) who defined the core features (skintight suit, abilities beyond the norm, secret identity), and then there are the many examples which fit to varying degrees. Batman isn't superhuman. Reed Richards has no secret identity (usually). Jessica Jones has neither secret identity nor costume. There will always be debatable fringe cases when it comes to neat classification, because the taxonomy tends to be binary, but the real world comes in many shades. Is Garth Brooks a country singer? Should rappers and jazz musicians be in the "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame"? Is Pluto a planet? Etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 12:11:24 GMT -5
That's a good point (yes, Pluto is a planet, it's my favourite. End of discussion).
As a metal fan, I have similar debates at times. Some think Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple are metal bands. I wouldn't consider them metal bands. But there would be no metal without rock - and no rock without blues. So the lines can be blurred. Megadeth are metal. Are AC/DC metal? That seems to be open to debate. I did buy a KISS album that was in the metal section of a store.
The overlap is a tough one. Even one Beatles song is very loud ("Helter Skelter"), but could one go as far as saying it is metal? I doubt it. The term didn't even exist then in that context, but terms can be retrospective. But metal bands may have been inspired by "Helter Skelter".
So it's a fascinating discussion, and I certainly don't have all the answers. There are aspects of Tarzan that are superheroic, but a poll asking whether he's a superhero or not might not be clear-cut...
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I have no doubt.
