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Post by rberman on Jan 17, 2020 13:10:31 GMT -5
Not really what the question was asking, but there was a "Batman Family" in the form of the Batmen of All (really "Many") Nations from Detective Comics #215.  Grant Morrison brought these characters together again in his whodunnit three-parter The Black Glove.  He followed this up with Batman Incorporated, in which Batman went globe-trotting for a series of two-parters with the various other Batmen, none of whom were "Batmen" in the strict sense.  |
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Jan 17, 2020 13:36:45 GMT -5
Unless I am way off because I really have not read much from the 3 decades, they never had a nice transition for Spider-Man. As my favourite character, I always hoped they would find a way to pass of his role to someone...maybe a son or daughter gets the abilities from him and assumes the mantle.
I know this has happened. So have clones and alternate universes and the like. But nothing canon as part of the existing Marvel comics world. It is still Pete. And while I love him, I think his time has come for comics to permanently replace him. Have him reprise the role in major events but allow someone young to take the mantle. Again, I get that they have done this but its all been in different universes and not the original story arc, which I think it should be.
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Post by brutalis on Jan 17, 2020 13:59:45 GMT -5
Unless I am way off because I really have not read much from the 3 decades, they never had a nice transition for Spider-Man. As my favourite character, I always hoped they would find a way to pass of his role to someone...maybe a son or daughter gets the abilities from him and assumes the mantle. I know this has happened. So have clones and alternate universes and the like. But nothing canon as part of the existing Marvel comics world. It is still Pete. And while I love him, I think his time has come for comics to permanently replace him. Have him reprise the role in major events but allow someone young to take the mantle. Again, I get that they have done this but its all been in different universes and not the original story arc, which I think it should be. Spider-Girl Pete/MJ's daughter really should be something in the current Marvel universe. With all the "Spider" folk running around it can't hurt anything to place his real daughter into the mixture instead of all the other attempts. Jessica Drew as Spider-Woman is all kind of different enough, so having May Parker takes her dad's role would be perfect. |
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Post by rberman on Jan 17, 2020 14:18:06 GMT -5
Unless I am way off because I really have not read much from the 3 decades, they never had a nice transition for Spider-Man. As my favourite character, I always hoped they would find a way to pass of his role to someone...maybe a son or daughter gets the abilities from him and assumes the mantle. I know this has happened. So have clones and alternate universes and the like. But nothing canon as part of the existing Marvel comics world. It is still Pete. And while I love him, I think his time has come for comics to permanently replace him. Have him reprise the role in major events but allow someone young to take the mantle. Again, I get that they have done this but its all been in different universes and not the original story arc, which I think it should be. Some characters like The Phantom, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, or Silver Age Green Lantern have succession baked into their origin stories. Members of the Legion of Super-Heroes really ought to have more turnover than they do, since in many cases, theoretically their home planet could just send another representative with exactly the same powers.  The accident-based heroes like Spider-Man or The Flash are harder to justify replacing. But as your examples show, they do it anyway, just to shake things up. |
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Post by brutalis on Jan 20, 2020 7:38:33 GMT -5
Some characters like The Phantom, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, or Silver Age Green Lantern have succession baked into their origin stories. Members of the Legion of Super-Heroes really ought to have more turnover than they do, since in many cases, theoretically their home planet could just send another representative with exactly the same powers. True about the LOSH. I always wanted to see what would happen should the home planet choose to "replace" a LOSH member and that member actually turns out in being a "better" team member. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 20, 2020 8:07:12 GMT -5
The most perfect replacement was Wally West taking over for the Barry Allen Flash ID. I still treasure the first 18 issues of that run that Feature Mike Baron's great writing. He had enough experience to not be fumbling around against opponents and he was still young enough to make mistakes with his love life, which added to the series.
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Post by brutalis on Jan 20, 2020 8:21:41 GMT -5
The most perfect replacement was Wally West taking over for the Barry Allen Flash ID. I still treasure the first 18 issues of that run that Feature Mike Baron's great writing. He had enough experience to not be fumbling around against opponents and he was still young enough to make mistakes with his love life, which added to the series. Good call there my brother! Wally was his own Flash, doing up things differently than Barry and creating his own version of who and what a Flash could be. And Wally is ICONIC enough that many of his aspects/traits as Flash are now crafted onto the Flash as seen upon the television and movie screen's. And Baron was creatively smart enough to avoid using any of Barry's Rogues an allowing Wally to have his own challenges with new villains to highlight this new Flash from the old one. And again, many of those folks are now part and parcel of the Flash history! |
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Post by brutalis on Jan 24, 2020 8:34:02 GMT -5
So then, Eric Masterson stood in for Thor awhile before becoming his own Thor persona as Thunderstrike. Then the Thunderstrike mantle is later on assumed by Masterson's son Kevin in the MC2 future Avengers comic A-Next and then again for a mini-series during the Heroic Age and now is currently a member of Asgardians of the Galaxy. Confused yet?
As to that future MC2 universe it also had it's more than fair share of "replacement" heroes in a sense (sons/daughters/protege):
Spider-Girl for Spider-Man
American Dream for Captain America
Stinger for Ant-Man/Wasp (daughter of Scott Lang)
Bluestreak for Quicksilver
J2 for Juggernaut
Coal Tiger for Black Panther
Freebooter for Hawkeye/Swordsman
Mainframe for Iron Man
Crimson Curse for Scarlet Witch
Sabreclaw for Wolverine
Thena for Thor
Argo for Hercules
Blacklight for Monica Rambeau's Photon
Earth Sentry for Captain Mar-vell (actually son of Bill Foster)
Darkdevil for Daredevil
Doc Magus for Dr Strange
Red Queen for Ant-Man/Wasp (evil daughter of Pym's)
The Buzz kind of Spider-Man (grandson of JJJ)
Wild Thing for Wolverine (daughter of Wolvie/Electra)
Ladyhawk for Falcon (twin sisters0
Raptor for Vulture
Green Goblin as hero instead of villain
Green Goblin female return to villain
Scarlet Spider for Scarlet Spider
Electro's daughter
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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 24, 2020 10:15:51 GMT -5
Almost all of the replacements discussed in this thread happened after I stopped buying mainstream comics. Of those that did pop up, I really dug Scott Lang as Ant-Man but didn't care for Rhodey as Iron Man and I hated Jason Todd as the new Robin (mostly because I hate Robin at the conceptual level regardless of who bears the name). When I briefly returned to buying new comics in the '90s, I was dismayed by all the substitutes. I prefer the original (i.e., Silver Age) versions of the Marvel and DC characters.
Also, neither Barry or Hal are intrinsically boring. That they came across that way at times can be blamed on lazy writers.
Cei-U!
I summon the bargain basement knock-offs!
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Post by rberman on Jan 24, 2020 10:25:59 GMT -5
Also, neither Barry or Hal are intrinsically boring. That they came across that way at times can be blamed on lazy writers. Can you describe three or four distinctive personality traits of each one? I can't. |
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Post by nerdygirl905 on Jan 24, 2020 10:43:14 GMT -5
Also, neither Barry or Hal are intrinsically boring. That they came across that way at times can be blamed on lazy writers. Can you describe three or four distinctive personality traits of each one? I can't. As the Absorbacon said, Hal’s an idiot that hits his head every few panels. Barry... I have no idea. We have no actual personality in the old comics. |
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Post by rberman on Jan 24, 2020 11:01:31 GMT -5
Can you describe three or four distinctive personality traits of each one? I can't. As the Absorbacon said, Hal’s an idiot that hits his head every few panels. Barry... I have no idea. We have no actual personality in the old comics. That's where the "intrinsically boring" label comes from. It doesn't have to be that way, though. For instance, Hal is a military pilot. So think Top Gun. Is he Iceman? Is he Goose? Is he Maverick? Barry is a chemist. Is he Fred MacMurray from "The Absentminded Professor" or stammering Leo Fitz from "Agents of SHIELD" or snarky goth Abby Sciuto on NCIS? |
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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 24, 2020 11:24:09 GMT -5
As the Absorbacon said, Hal’s an idiot that hits his head every few panels. Barry... I have no idea. We have no actual personality in the old comics. That's where the "intrinsically boring" label comes from. It doesn't have to be that way, though. For instance, Hal is a military pilot. So think Top Gun. Is he Iceman? Is he Goose? Is he Maverick? Barry is a chemist. Is he Fred MacMurray from "The Absentminded Professor" or stammering Leo Fitz from "Agents of SHIELD" or snarky goth Abby Sciuto on NCIS? Yes, that was my point. It isn't necessarily about personality. Sure, Barry is a mild-mannered, middle-class homebody (not that there's anything wrong with that) but he's also an adept forensic scientist. He should make nearly as good a detective as Batman, but we rarely saw him use those skills in the Silver or Bronze Ages. Hal was portrayed as a cocky ladies' man even before he acquired the power ring. I love those scenes in the early issues where GL revels in his new-found celebrity, being lionized at cocktail parties and squiring glamor girls around town. The contrast between the two is what makes the Flash-Green Lantern team-ups such a treat, especialy when you realize that the only thing they actually have in common is super-heroing.
Cei-U! I summon the unlikely friendship!
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Post by rberman on Jan 24, 2020 12:10:20 GMT -5
That's where the "intrinsically boring" label comes from. It doesn't have to be that way, though. For instance, Hal is a military pilot. So think Top Gun. Is he Iceman? Is he Goose? Is he Maverick? Barry is a chemist. Is he Fred MacMurray from "The Absentminded Professor" or stammering Leo Fitz from "Agents of SHIELD" or snarky goth Abby Sciuto on NCIS? Yes, that was my point. It isn't necessarily about personality. Sure, Barry is a mild-mannered, middle-class homebody (not that there's anything wrong with that) but he's also an adept forensic scientist. He should make nearly as good a detective as Batman, but we rarely saw him use those skills in the Silver or Bronze Ages. Hal was portrayed as a cocky ladies' man even before he acquired the power ring. I love those scenes in the early issues where GL revels in his new-found celebrity, being lionized at cocktail parties and squiring glamour girls around town. The contrast between the two is what makes the Flash-Green Lantern team-ups such a treat, especially when you realize that the only thing they actually have in common is super-heroing. This should be seen more often, given the wide disparities in upbringing between, say, Superman (growing up in rural Kansas, he should be a massive fan of professional sports and country music) and Batman (probably listens to show tunes). One of the few times I've seen this drawn out was in Grant Morrison's run on New X-Men in which Beast's thoughts about the death of Emma Frost concerned how it affected him, since she was the only one in the mansion who shared his college-educated, upper class interests in literature and the arts. Despite her snooty air, he missed her immediately. It's lonely at the top.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 12:20:51 GMT -5
This might not mean much to Americans, but in Eagle (1982-1994), there was a strip called Doomlord. Doomlord was an alien from Nox who had come to Earth to be judge, jury and executioner. He plotted to kill humanity, but a policeman sacrificed himself and Doomlord in a lab where a virus was loose.
Soon after, another Doomlord arrived on the same mission. He eventually decided to give humanity a chance. And became more of an anti-hero.
Doomlord eventually artificially produced a son, Enok. Enok became a threat to humanity with Doomlord being the protector.
Eventually, Doomlord returned to his evil ways, stripping himself of all human emotion. Around this time, Enok returned but this time as a good guy. As Doomlord gave humanity seven days to live, and having the means to destroy mankind, Enok battled Doomlord - but was killed.
So a young lad, Pete Souster, drank the blood of the dead Enok - and became "Enok" himself. Enok then incapacitated Doomlord and became humanity's protector.
So, quite a few stand-ins and replacements there. British strips have never been afraid to do that. There was another one called "Storm Force", about a commando group going on top secret missions. At one point, three of their members were killed, being replaced by three very different heroes. I don't think the replacements were as good, though.
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