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Post by berkley on Jan 27, 2020 20:42:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I like the effect Coletta created over Kirby's pencils on much of the Thor stuff, all the while deploring his practice of erasing backgrounds to make those deadlines. Mangog never looked as menacing in any later appearance as he did in that first Mangog saga under Coletta's inks.
And yes, I did think Janson's inks added a bit of life to Sal Buscema's pencils in the 70s, which often came across as a little generic.
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Post by brianf on Jan 28, 2020 0:19:07 GMT -5
I find the continuing discussion about Coletta interesting. For me, as a kid almost anytime I would pick up a comic drawn by an artist I liked to find the art muted and kinda slicked out in a non-interesting manner I'd flip back to the credits page and see Colettas name. His inks were almost always a BLANDING of the art to my eyes. So Much Drama FYI - I LOVE Jason inks. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 28, 2020 9:19:55 GMT -5
Pretty good review considering the reviewer is obviously blind. How else could he compare Colletta's wispy inks to Hal freaking Foster??!?
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Post by dbutler69 on Jan 28, 2020 9:25:02 GMT -5
Who would have thought, 40 plus years ago, that there would be a book published about a comic book inker?!
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 28, 2020 9:41:18 GMT -5
If we had a working time machine we could have a book where Colletta inks Liefeld pencils.
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Post by Mister Spaceman on Jan 28, 2020 9:51:16 GMT -5
Who would have thought, 40 plus years ago, that there would be a book published about a comic book inker?! Especially one of the worst ones ever. |
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Post by MDG on Jan 28, 2020 10:12:14 GMT -5
Someone could make a fortune selling these in the Marvel Universe |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 28, 2020 11:18:23 GMT -5
Who would have thought, 40 plus years ago, that there would be a book published about a comic book inker?! Especially one of the worst ones ever. Wow, you really hate Colletta. What did he do, steal your girlfriend when you were younger?  |
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Post by Confessor on Jan 28, 2020 13:05:32 GMT -5
From a purely aesthetic viewpoint, I find that Vince Colletta's inking is wildly uneven; it could be pretty good on occasion, but it often wasn't.
My tuppence worth on the Kirby-Colletta controversy is that, while Kirby may've resented Colletta's erasing of some of his pencils, the commercial realities of the Marvel office were that the man had a job to do...and that job was to get his huge inking workload out on time, which he unfailingly did. His erasing of some of Kirby's pencils only becomes an angering and emotive issue if you view Kirby as some kind of artistic god and Silver Age comics as pieces of high art -- which neither Kirby or Colleta, or anybody else working at Marvel of DC at the time, did. These were mass produced pieces of disposable entertainment for 8-year-olds, not the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.
That said, if you are a huge Kirby devotee, I can certainly see how Colletta's sometimes slapdash treatment of Kirby's pencils would rankle. But I really think you have to try to view Colletta's actions within the context of the marketplace pressures he operated under.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 28, 2020 13:22:09 GMT -5
And I refuse to believe that he was the only artist that took these types of shortcuts.
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Post by MDG on Jan 28, 2020 14:09:08 GMT -5
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Post by kevin on Jan 28, 2020 17:20:20 GMT -5
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Post by chaykinstevens on Jan 29, 2020 10:41:35 GMT -5
Not to mention he 99% drew the early issues that Chaykin was supposed to be penciling. If you're talking Star Wars, that's not really accurate. The majority of the movie adaptation issues were inked (and embellished) by Steve Leialoha. The final issue of the adaptation was inked and co-pencilled by Rick Hoberg. Beyond that, Frank Springer inked issue #7. So, Palmer only inked Chaykin on SW issues #8-10, embellishing heavily over his breakdowns. However, even on those issues, where Palmer certainly did the heavy lifting on the art chores and, at times, altered some of Chaykin's art considerably, the panel layouts and story "beats" are pure Chaykin. Alan Kupperberg said he ghosted layouts for Chaykin at times, including World of Krypton #1-3, Superboy and the LSH #240 and the Enemy Ace backups in Men of War #12-14. GCD's entry on the LSH issue says, "It is not clear how much modification Chaykin may have made to Kupperberg's work before turning it over to Bob Wiacek." When Kupperberg talked in the Marvel offices about ghosting layouts for Star Wars #10, Roy Thomas gave him a credit in that issue, to Chaykin's chagrin. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 29, 2020 10:53:15 GMT -5
I took a look at the link and one of the drawings looks like Vinnie inking George Tuska. |
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Post by chaykinstevens on Jan 29, 2020 11:44:02 GMT -5
I thought that too. Joe Brozowski seems to have done a fair bit of swiping in those days. A few of the other poses in SW #64 and in his early issues of Firestorm had a Gil Kaneish look.
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