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Post by shaxper on Apr 29, 2020 10:20:12 GMT -5
Discussion #15... Phantom Lady #15 (December 1947)Originally published by Quality Comics, Phantom Lady's tenure at Fox Features is perhaps her most celebrated era.April 29th thru April 30thA free and legal public domain scan can be found here
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Post by shaxper on Apr 29, 2020 10:36:24 GMT -5
Thoughts on the first story:
I really really enjoyed this one. One of my biggest qualms with Golden Age heroes is how rugged and unflappable they always have to be. But since Phantom Lady is female, she is allowed (by 1940s standards) to be unsure of herself and full of conflict. It makes for a far more engaging story, especially as the whole thing begins with a spell of depression to which she can attribute no cause, and only becoming Phantom Lady cures it. Both the uncertainty in herself and the backdrop of Washington politics makes this feel a bit like the Huntress Feature that ran in Batman Family three decades later. I wonder if Phantom Lady was an inspiration for that.
I also enjoy the art. Very dynamic poses, unconventional page layouts, and good coloring. Really, the only flaw in this story was the absurdity of the premise, but when a book opens with a terrified hero wielding a flame thrower to hold off a legion of the undead, I'm hooked no matter what you write.
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Post by Phil Maurice on Apr 29, 2020 11:45:38 GMT -5
Now we're talking! Having made the jump from Quality Comics to Fox, Phantom Lady has a new look provided by artist Matt Baker, who favors a "less is more" approach.
Though not super-powered, she does have the ability to stun her quarry. Failing that, her black light projector can blind her foes, cruelly preventing them from appreciating her delightful new attire.
The book is a visual treat throughout. The character has never looked better than under Baker's hand. His splash page for "The Red Rain" is so magnificent, it would have Peter Gabriel standing up at the waters' edge.
The stories are possibly scripted by Ruth Roche, whom I know nothing about, but Phantom Lady here seems much more capable and intelligent than the average scantily-clad heroine of the day, despite Baker's obvious cheesecake intentions. Perhaps a woman's touch on the writing helped balance out all that skin? I don't know. It's a great book that I wish I owned, but probably never will.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 29, 2020 11:47:11 GMT -5
Phantom Lady has a new look provided by artist Matt Baker, who favors a "less is more" approach.
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Post by beccabear67 on Apr 29, 2020 12:24:26 GMT -5
I had one original Phantom Lady comic, #14, the issue before this one. I thought she was great! Definitely aimed at men though like many post-war Fox comics. I did think she should have had some kind of mask. Here's the inside cover page of #14 which was in two color (black and one other) like most Fox comics... a good intro to the character page.
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 29, 2020 12:27:58 GMT -5
Commenting for a friend...
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 29, 2020 12:35:58 GMT -5
My gut tells me that "children" did not call them headlight comics. Given that Wertham was given to making his research up out of whole cloth I'll go with my gut.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 29, 2020 17:41:17 GMT -5
I had one original Phantom Lady comic, #14, the issue before this one. I thought she was great! Definitely aimed at men though like many post-war Fox comics. It sort of seemed like Fox was playing it both ways, at least in this issue. She is hyper-sexualized, but also a complex and sympathetic hero, which I'd imagine played best to women and girls. I especially appreciate that she isn't relegated to only fighting girl villains like she's stuck in some lightweight division of heroism. She is taking out men and zombies, fighting to protect the very nation. A very positive female symbol wrapped in a very negative female symbol.
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Post by electricmastro on Apr 29, 2020 18:02:55 GMT -5
While not as striking to me as Lou Fine’s work, I do appreciate how Matt Baker went for a more “jigsaw layout” which reminds me of Fine nonetheless, and goes big-scale with showing buildings getting destroyed.
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Post by electricmastro on Apr 30, 2020 11:16:26 GMT -5
Also, felt like recommending Stars and Stripes Comics #5 (November 1941, Centaur Comics) if you’re looking for more public domain heroes to read through: comicbookplus.com/?dlid=40344Not all of the stories have origin recaps, so I might as well briefly tell some of the more interesting ones here: Amazing-Man - an orphaned child who was chosen by a Tibetan Council of Seven to be trained to both mental and physical perfection Dr. Synthe - an enormous energy-based alien from another planet Iron Skull - a cyborg who fights in an alternate timeline where World War II lasted into the 1950s The Shark - the son of Father Neptune who lived in an undersea kingdom More here: internationalhero.co.uk/c/centaur.htm
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 30, 2020 20:31:16 GMT -5
Amazing Man is worth checking for Bill Everett and it influenced both Adam Warlock and, especially, Peter Cannon.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 30, 2020 20:49:51 GMT -5
Outside of Baker's art, most of it struck me as typical pulp storytelling, lots of emphasis of the female figure, lot of women in peril shots, lots of grisly death threats etc. The Tropical Topics page is both racist and full of BS. The world it describes was mostly in the middle ages and/or well before the publication of the book. There is one line in this that I recall being quoted either in Maurice Horn's World Encyclopedia of Comics or one of Ron Goulart's histories: "America comes first...even before Dad!" I had the AC Comics reprint book of Phantom Lady stories and their Senorita Rio reprint and the latter struck me as more entertaining. Baker's art helps this a lot; but, I wouldn't want a steady diet of this stuff, compared by Crimebuster or The Spirit or the Marvel Family. For a female lead, I'd still go with Wonder Woman and Mary Marvel for consistently entertaining stories, then probably Senorita Rio and Black Cat. I never really read the jungle comics, so I can't speak to Sheena or any of the other ladies in leopardskins.
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Post by shaxper on May 1, 2020 5:22:21 GMT -5
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Post by shaxper on May 1, 2020 6:22:56 GMT -5
This is my first time reading Pogo. It's something I've been meaning to get to for a long time now, mostly because of Cei-U!'s persistent praise of the work, but I suspect that this is the wrong entry-point for the series. I absolutely see how this work is better suited to a newspaper strip than a comic book feature, as the primary impression it gives off is endearing innocence. I know later stories will include some witty political commentary and even some surprisingly deep insights into life and living, but right now, the primary appeal is a return to innocence with a loveable cast of child-like anthropomorphic characters with whom I'd like to live. The plot is forgettable; the characters are not. I think I'd enjoy waking up to meet these guys at the breakfast table each morning, getting a small daily dose of that world each day, far more than pulling them from the spinner rack for a bi monthly drawn-out storyline. I personally grew up on Bloom County, and now I see the source material, clear as day. Yeah, I'm more encouraged than ever to seek out this series, even if I wasn't wowed by this particular story.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 1, 2020 8:58:54 GMT -5
Pogo was also a huge influence on Bill Watterson. In his Comics Journal interview, the three strips he mentioned are Peanuts, Pogo and Krazy Kat. It was also a massive influence on Jeff Smith and Bone.
The early stuff, in the comics, is centered more on Albert, with Pogo more of a supporting character. The dynamic flips by the time of the strip, though Albert is pretty close in stature to Pogo.
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