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Post by shaxper on Apr 1, 2020 21:59:24 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with some good ol' fashioned critical analysis so long as its forgiving of the genre, time period, and context. I agree. However, I'm comparing it to contemporary things like Will Eisner's The Spirit or Alex Raymond's Flash Gordon. Compared to them, the art in Planetary Comics is strictly amateur hour, while the writing makes Secret Wars look like Hemingway. That would be a bit like comparing run of the mill '80s comics to Cerebus. Plenty of great stuff out there that wasn't at the forefront of pioneering the genre. I'm not necessarily arguing that Planetary #1 was great, mind you, but it wasn't unforgivably terrible either.
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Post by Confessor on Apr 1, 2020 22:28:22 GMT -5
That would be a bit like comparing run of the mill '80s comics to Cerebus. Ummm...not really. Cerebus is deliberately attempting to be more intellectual and satirical than, say, Secret Wars or The West Coast Avengers. * Whereas Raymond's Flash Gordon is absolutely comparable to Planetary Comics insofar as they are both space operas, both published in the 1940s, and both aimed predominantly at children, but also attempting to appeal to adults. I think it's a fair comparison and Planetary Comics is, in my view, found to be decidedly lacking. * = As I understand it, anyway. I've never actually read Cerebus.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 1, 2020 23:04:49 GMT -5
My thoughts on Flint Baker:
I enjoyed it overall.. LOVE the art deco stylings, and the colors, though goofy, really fit somehow. I agree with whoever posted above the "ATTACK!" with the cool font was awesome. The plot, such as it was, was fine.. I did like how they weren't rescuing the princess to marry her, at least. It definitely felt Burroughs-y in story but Flash Gordon in art style to me. THe convict angle was pretty fun, though they made it a point to make sure they're not bad guys with the origins. Killing one off was crazy!!
The sci-fi part, though... wow. That was 37 ways to bad. Here are my notes on the things that jumped up and bit me as horribly terrible.
- The trip to Mars took 'weeks' at '8 miles per second' It should have taken about 12 years at that speed by my math.
- One thing that's pretty standard in space travel stories is to actually mention things like food and air... not here. Not only that, an actual stow away was no problem at all!
- We started out with space helmets, then lost them... I guess there's air? Also, the revolver worked?
- If the Martians had ray guns, why did they fight the one-eyed monsters hand to hand?
-the bad guy had a DEVICE to suck the life out the the Martian princess and let his chosen Earth bride live forever.. the one he could n't have possibly known existed before his goons brought her. Talk about planning!
Auro, Lord of Jupiter
So what I get out of this is a painfully bad Tarzan riff... the art here is pretty horrible... the 'flaming meteorite' that started Auro's origin seems to be a tooth.
Also, the writer needs to get his planets straight... he clearly doesn't know what order they lie in.
It was shocking in a good way to see a female assistant pilot, and a heroic one to boot... sadly, that was the best part.
The Red Comet
This one reminds me of the early Superman strips... the dialogue, the ease at which he dispatches bad guys. IT was cool to see size changing powers actually used effectively, instead of in a medicore way for dramatic effect as some other publishers do. 'Robin Hood of the universe' though? I don't think that means what the writer thinks it means.. I don't recall Robin smashing his enemies then moving on to the next place.
Captain Nelson Cole
Clearly going for a Flash Gordon vibe, but the art is so terrible. No character development either, just plot, which is nothing to write home about. The writer also has no concept of distance.. mentioning they're travelling '300 miles a minute' so they must be 'millions of miles away'. Only if it's been a generation, bud... unless when you say millions you mean '2' millions, then it'd only be a few months... still not what was actually happening.
Spurt Hammond vs. the Lunerzons
There just HAS to be an, er, adult feature of that name somewhere. If there is, it probably has fewer typos that this one does, and made even a more logical plot. This is the 2nd best art of the bunch, though.. I think if this artist drew Cole Nelson it might be pretty good.
Buzz Crandall and the Space Patrol
The title page advertises a whole crew!! I feel cheated... it was just Buzz. This story features some truly horrid alien designs (by far the worst of the lot) and a 100% vanilla plot. At least there were no typos!
Quorak, Super Pirate
Coming in a close 2nd to the feature as best in the book.. Quorak. Nice art (though nothing to exciting design wise), the story is very basic again, but can be followed and , makes logical sense. Not sure when Mt. Everest moved to India, though, or when Pluto became the most powerful planet in the solar system.
Also, best bad guy torture ever: 'Gary is held suspended head down...to die of the pressure of blood to his head'
Overall, I'm glad I read this, it was fun, but I don't know that I need to read any more for a while. The lack of basic space knowledge is a bit shocking to me.. at least know what planets exist and in what order!
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Post by electricmastro on Apr 2, 2020 0:10:44 GMT -5
Overall, I'm glad I read this, it was fun, but I don't know that I need to read any more for a while. The lack of basic space knowledge is a bit shocking to me.. at least know what planets exist and in what order! The funny thing is that these were all published before the first satellite launched, as well as before humans landed on the moon for that matter, which makes it all the more charming in a way of the writers and artists attempting to imagine what outer space could be like. Also what makes it apparent is that Pluto is treated as a planet, even though it’s not counted as a planet anymore:
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Post by shaxper on Apr 2, 2020 7:11:33 GMT -5
- One thing that's pretty standard in space travel stories is to actually mention things like food and air... not here. Not only that, an actual stow away was no problem at all! And she'd been casually sitting there all along, with no space suit and not even a seat belt. I sort of knew from the first few panels of this book that paying attention to the nitty gritty was only going to lead to disappointment. These are all great points. Yeah, that was an odd reference. I guess the 1938 Errol Flynn film was still the cultural zeitgeist, so the term "Robin Hood" may have had a looser equation with heroism at the time. After all, they used it on Robin in Detective Comics #38 this very same year. I'm considering maybe returning to the title later on to tackle an issue later in the run, when the book has hit its stride, but certainly not yet. We all deserve a break after that one!
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Post by Confessor on Apr 2, 2020 7:48:27 GMT -5
- One thing that's pretty standard in space travel stories is to actually mention things like food and air... not here. Not only that, an actual stow away was no problem at all! And she'd been casually sitting there all along, with no space suit and not even a seat belt. Hey, the lady's got style! You gotta suffer to look good, dontcha know?!
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Post by shaxper on Apr 2, 2020 8:12:14 GMT -5
Ready for our next assignment? Pep Comics #16 (June 1941)The SHIELD! The COMET! The FIREBALL! And introducing MADAM SATAN!! April 2nd thru April 3rdA free and legal public domain scan can be found here I've never read an MLJ superhero comic in my life. I chose this one because Madam Satan looked darn interesting as a character concept.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 2, 2020 8:32:36 GMT -5
Thoughts on The cover
Dang, that's hard not to look at! It's a masterpiece of multiple focuses. First, the eye is drawn to The Shield, then the menacing villain, then the BLOOD oozing out of the throat, then the hideous tool that did it, and finally sidekick DUSTY rushing in from stage right. This was already Dusty's fifth appearance (I looked it up), but it sure seems like a celebratory first appearance-type situation. Did Robin ever get a cover appearance this good in his first year??
Wow, young Irv Novick!
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Post by MWGallaher on Apr 2, 2020 8:47:28 GMT -5
Right off the bat, I just wanna mention that I've always thought that the Shield had a pretty lousy superhero costumes. The overabundance of red detracts from the "American-ness" of the look. The color balance feels all wrong with this red-dominant distribution. Maybe it's just me, but I perceive red as the least significant color in the flag, whether it does or does not happen to have the least actual area (I suspect there is actually less blue, but it seems like more). Stripes have almost never been effective in a superhero costume. Recall how Timely's grim Destroyer looked like a clown from the waist down, and how many fans found Red Tornado's outfit laughable--although at least Reddy could spend all his action time as a whirlwind below the belt. And Stripesy's terrible look was not only due to Hal Sharp's primitive and amateurish artistic capabilities. Simon and Kirby made it work on Captain America, but they cleverly limited the stripes to the front of the abdomen, where they accentuated the muscular form. Irv Novick's Shield design is conceptually clever--the torso as a shield is a promising design idea--but in practice, it made the character too often look bulky (especially in the 1960's when Paul Reinman drew it), and having those stripes go all the way into the briefs sends off an uncomfortable vibe.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 2, 2020 9:03:24 GMT -5
Right off the bat, I just wanna mention that I've always thought that the Shield had a pretty lousy superhero costumes. The overabundance of red detracts from the "American-ness" of the look. The color balance feels all wrong with this red-dominant distribution. Maybe it's just me, but I perceive red as the least significant color in the flag, whether it does or does not happen to have the least actual area (I suspect there is actually less blue, but it seems like more). Stripes have almost never been effective in a superhero costume. Recall how Timely's grim Destroyer looked like a clown from the waist down, and how many fans found Red Tornado's outfit laughable--although at least Reddy could spend all his action time as a whirlwind below the belt. And Stripesy's terrible look was not only due to Hal Sharp's primitive and amateurish artistic capabilities. Simon and Kirby made it work on Captain America, but they cleverly limited the stripes to the front of the abdomen, where they accentuated the muscular form. Irv Novick's Shield design is conceptually clever--the torso as a shield is a promising design idea--but in practice, it made the character too often look bulky (especially in the 1960's when Paul Reinman drew it), and having those stripes go all the way into the briefs sends off an uncomfortable vibe. It's definitely an awkward costume design, but I wonder if our sense of awkward vs. non-awkward is dictated, to some degree, by the costumed heroes who endured. No one in stripes ended up being an iconic hero for generations to come. Do we blame the stripes, or does our sense that stripes don't belong stem from the fact that no heroes we grew up on had stripes? Capes, chest symbols, and over-underwear probably don't make much stylistic sense either. It may be there is something specifically visually flawed about stripes. I couldn't say.
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Post by brutalis on Apr 2, 2020 9:52:43 GMT -5
You would think that there should be more striped costumes. Stripes are a very slimming design for the hero on the go! And that dag blamed Seven Soldiers of Victory Stripesy had to be arbitrary just had to go the opposite direction!
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Post by shaxper on Apr 2, 2020 11:14:11 GMT -5
Thoughts on The Shield: The Vulture and the Robot PlaneYeesh, I definitely expected a little more from this one. I guess I figured either The Shield was going to be a compelling character with a compelling premise (neither is evident here), or that this feature would provide some comfort that America's G-Men were keeping the country safe (and yet they leave America's secrets in the hands of this moron): Maybe the appeal would be the art and the action? And yet, we had sequences like this one that are an utter wreck and quite difficult to follow: Of course, we do get better action later on, as well as some very strong dynamic poses: but both times the colorist has clearly fallen asleep at the wheel. I guess the final appeal of this feature would appear to be three fold: 1. Irv Novic dynamic poses that put Kirby to shame (sometimes). 2. A kid sidekick, and wasn't that all the rage at the time? 3. A close-knit supporting cast, not that the script bothered to introduce me to these people. I didn't love it, but I can see loving it as a kid of the early 1940s.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 2, 2020 11:52:22 GMT -5
Thoughts on Danny in Wonderland: The Menace of PlaylandPerhaps inspired by the 1939 film version of Wizard of Oz, as well as well as Windsor McCay's Little Nemo, this feature is obsessed with the dark side of children's wild imaginations, though it seems more grounded in the real-world, occurring right on the urban streets. It's hokey, sure, but perhaps seemingly moreso because little kids are disturbingly non-innocent these days. Smart phones, chrome books, and TV have robbed them of some of their wild sense of wonder. I therefore find a work like this one admirable in its efforts. I wish I could dream like that kind of innocent child again, even when the dreams turn dark. Because there's always a mermaid queen or two lying around, waiting to gift you a seahorse. As for the plot, c'mon! How many folks reading this hadn't seen Disney's Pinocchio a year earler? So the plot is blatant theft, but I still respect the premise and would enjoy seeing more of these, provided they're a tad more original in their ideas.
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Post by electricmastro on Apr 2, 2020 13:48:39 GMT -5
Right off the bat, I just wanna mention that I've always thought that the Shield had a pretty lousy superhero costumes. The overabundance of red detracts from the "American-ness" of the look. The color balance feels all wrong with this red-dominant distribution. Maybe it's just me, but I perceive red as the least significant color in the flag, whether it does or does not happen to have the least actual area (I suspect there is actually less blue, but it seems like more). Stripes have almost never been effective in a superhero costume. Recall how Timely's grim Destroyer looked like a clown from the waist down, and how many fans found Red Tornado's outfit laughable--although at least Reddy could spend all his action time as a whirlwind below the belt. And Stripesy's terrible look was not only due to Hal Sharp's primitive and amateurish artistic capabilities. Simon and Kirby made it work on Captain America, but they cleverly limited the stripes to the front of the abdomen, where they accentuated the muscular form. Irv Novick's Shield design is conceptually clever--the torso as a shield is a promising design idea--but in practice, it made the character too often look bulky (especially in the 1960's when Paul Reinman drew it), and having those stripes go all the way into the briefs sends off an uncomfortable vibe. I think Archie fared better with their other design for Thomas Townsend’s outfit of Captain Flag, as they put the stripes on the cape instead of on his body, which probably fits better since it can make the cape look like the America flag anyway:
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Post by shaxper on Apr 2, 2020 14:06:19 GMT -5
Darn it. Now I want to know what makes Richy such an amazing boy!
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