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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 3, 2020 14:25:37 GMT -5
Here's my thoughts on the rest
Sgt. Boyle:
Good story... I felt like it was more serious that I Hogan's Heroes type... even if the plot was a little out there. While not totally believable, it was fun.
and baseball!! but weird... the pitcher is off panel? Also, I lefty hitting the ball at that point in his swing would go in the other direction Plus, it's 1941.. Babe Ruth? More likely someone would reference Joe Dimaggio or Ted Williams. Still, Baseball!
-What plane is that? Red with a white half moon? Feels Arabic, which wouldn't make sense.
Lee Sampson, Midshipman
Not bad for a comedy routine, felt like McHale's Navy or one of those sort of shows. I agree it was pretty weak to do the same gag twice.
Madam Satan Great moody art! Origin stories are always tough but this one definitely made me interested to read more. This and Sgt. Boyle definitely take the cake.
Just one thing...why did John not recognize his parent's car?
Kayo Ward
meh... poor 40s stereotypes abound.. I guess they're just trying to add variety with a sports story.
Bentley of Scotland Yard
Very basic locked room mystery...again, good for variety, but you need more than 6 pages to do a good one.
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Post by electricmastro on Apr 3, 2020 15:01:00 GMT -5
Any plans for Lev Gleason Daredevil or Nedor Black Terror or Fighting Yank? I only plan one assignment ahead, but I was definitely considering Daredevil down the road. The Daredevil feature from Silver Streak Comics #7 (January, 1941) may be of particular interest then.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 18:27:50 GMT -5
So my reaction to Pep Comics: I love 1940s anthologies. They are definitely a mixed bag. Most stories are mediocre but there is usually a treasure to found with at least one story. Pep had so many different genres in one title! I liked the Comet and Madame Satan stories. The rest were ok.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 3, 2020 19:25:32 GMT -5
So my reaction to Pep Comics: I love 1940s anthologies. They are definitely a mixed bag. Most stories are mediocre but there is usually a treasure to found with at least one story. Pep had so many different genres in one title! I liked the Comet and Madame Satan stories. The rest were ok. It is kinda crazy how much they pack into one book! We get one story in 6 issues today, those are 6 stories (at least) in one! It is interesting they mixed genres in Pep.. I wonder if that was effective in getting a broad base of readers, or if people that liked only specific stuff would not buy it because of the 'wasted' ones?
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Post by electricmastro on Apr 3, 2020 19:45:41 GMT -5
So my reaction to Pep Comics: I love 1940s anthologies. They are definitely a mixed bag. Most stories are mediocre but there is usually a treasure to found with at least one story. Pep had so many different genres in one title! I liked the Comet and Madame Satan stories. The rest were ok. It is kinda crazy how much they pack into one book! We get one story in 6 issues today, those are 6 stories (at least) in one! It is interesting they mixed genres in Pep.. I wonder if that was effective in getting a broad base of readers, or if people that liked only specific stuff would not buy it because of the 'wasted' ones? I think it was due the popularity of Famous Funnies and the like that helped make it common to see comic books in the 1930s and early 1940s be made up of a variety of features, and it was later that one saw more books being devoted to one character or group:
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Post by shaxper on Apr 3, 2020 23:31:21 GMT -5
Of course, even the solo titles included features from other genres, often up through the Silver Age.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 3, 2020 23:31:48 GMT -5
I only plan one assignment ahead, but I was definitely considering Daredevil down the road. The Daredevil feature from Silver Streak Comics #7 (January, 1941) may be of particular interest then. Noted!
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Post by shaxper on Apr 4, 2020 9:28:52 GMT -5
Assignment #3... Probably the last superhero book we'll touch for a while, but I've been meaning to try Crimebuster for a while now!
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Post by shaxper on Apr 5, 2020 1:12:14 GMT -5
Thoughts on CrimebusterWell, you had my attention with that first splash page: Beyond that, this is really a very traditional crime story, in which a millionaire is well aware their heir is plotting to kill them and thus sets up an elaborate form of retribution via an unorthodox will, which plays out after their murder early on in the tale. It's a story that's been done a thousand times prior to December of 1944, except...not with a legless street begger: To be fair, while we readers of 2020 might find the image of a legless man on a rolling board shocking or perhaps absurd, they were much more common in an earlier era with less medicine and less means for people of need to get the medical equipment they deserve. I can only hope Pete (secretly being a millionaire) went home to a nice, comfy wheelchair after a hard day of begging. Still, it's the visual of the legless man on wheels that really propels the rest of the story forward, as his will requires the fake best friend who he knew would murder him to lose his own legs before getting the inheritance. It gets...strange after that. Really strange. Shocking and strange. But that's essentially the entire draw of the story -- a legless man in horrific action scenes. A little...tasteless, even in spite of the sympathy Biro tries to build for amputees and street beggars early on in the story. I will say that I like Crimebuster far more than any of the heroes we've yet found in either Planet Comics or Pep. It's not so much that he has a personality, but more that the constant reminder that he should be the weaker guy makes each of his fights admirable. He's not only an unarmed, non-powered kid, but that homemade costume is an unavoidable reminder, each panel, that this guy is NOT some A list crimefighter, making each punch he lands all the more impressive. Good suggestion, Crimebuster!
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Post by shaxper on Apr 5, 2020 1:23:23 GMT -5
Thoughts on Swoop StormAnother winner. An interesting combination of action/adventure, sci-fi, and comedy that generally works. A new plane has been developed that flies entirely on auto-pilot, and crooks are working to steal the plans from Swoop. The concept is interesting enough to sustain six pages, but it's really the art that carries the whole thing, being cute and expressive, action packed, and funnier than the script, all at the same time. I especially enjoy the faces: But Dear God! Anyone who thinks the comics code was completely off-base might consider that this volume was called BOY comics, and yet delivers panels like this one: Yikes.
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Post by electricmastro on Apr 5, 2020 11:46:12 GMT -5
But Dear God! Anyone who thinks the comics code was completely off-base might consider that this volume was called BOY comics, and yet delivers panels like this one: Yikes. In recent times it has come to my attention that the vocally concerned like Fredric Wertham weren’t really in favor of censorship, and thus not the 1954 code, but more so attempted to encourage responsibility and to make sure children weren’t exposed to gore, as well as speaking out against racial caricatures (Charles Murphy’s lunatic response to the race-related Judgment Day being separate from Wertham’s actions) which were common before the 60s and sexualized images of women, likely talking about the good girl art. I honestly feel a ratings system, which movies would later have in the 60s, would have been seen as more favorable to the Senate as opposed to censorship.
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Post by Crimebuster on Apr 5, 2020 12:41:56 GMT -5
But Dear God! Anyone who thinks the comics code was completely off-base might consider that this volume was called BOY comics, and yet delivers panels like this one: Yikes. Boy Comics typically had more problems with depictions hyper violence than sexuality. If we had read #7, for instance, the story there includes panels showing women impaled on spears, a guy doused in gasoline and thrown into a furnace while still alive, a guy getting shot in the head at point blank range, and more. Considering the whole idea behind the comic was stories for boys and about boys - with all the lead characters being boys between the ages of, say, 8 and 16, which was also the target audience for the book - the hyper violence and gore is really over the top. It's basically Crime Does Not Pay, except it's marketed towards children, which at times leads to some really jarring and shocking content. The premise of the Crimebuster story in #19 is so nuts that it's just... I don't really have words. The will stipulating that the guy had to lose his own legs to inherit the fortune, and then he has them amputated, is crazy enough, but as you point out, that's just the start of the weirdness. There are Crimebuster stories with more gore - and even more shocking things! - than this, but few come close to the weirdness. I'm not sure what Biro was thinking when he came up with this one.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 5, 2020 14:45:17 GMT -5
In recent times it has come to my attention that the vocally concerned like Fredric Wertham weren’t really in favor of censorship, and thus not the 1954 code, but more so attempted to encourage responsibility and to make sure children weren’t exposed to gore, as well as speaking out against racial caricatures (Charles Murphy’s lunatic response to the race-related Judgment Day being separate from Wertham’s actions) which were common before the 60s and sexualized images women, likely talking about the good girl art. I honestly feel a ratings system, which movies would later have in the 60s, would have been seen as more favorable to the Senate as opposed to censorship. Of course, when has a ratings system ever proven effective? I bought all the "explicit lyrics" albums I wanted as an adolescent, and when I taught middle school, all my kids were playing Grand Theft Auto. There really is no perfect solution, but while the Comics Code caused a lot of turmoil and put a lot of good people out of business, I don't think it was as insanely evil a concept as modern comic historians often make it out to be. Some stuff out there really shouldn't have been put in the hands of kids, and there should have been some effort on the part of publishers to help prevent that. You're right that full blown censorship wasn't the way. I'm not sure there was a right way, but it was appropriate to do something.
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Post by electricmastro on Apr 5, 2020 14:56:24 GMT -5
In recent times it has come to my attention that the vocally concerned like Fredric Wertham weren’t really in favor of censorship, and thus not the 1954 code, but more so attempted to encourage responsibility and to make sure children weren’t exposed to gore, as well as speaking out against racial caricatures (Charles Murphy’s lunatic response to the race-related Judgment Day being separate from Wertham’s actions) which were common before the 60s and sexualized images women, likely talking about the good girl art. I honestly feel a ratings system, which movies would later have in the 60s, would have been seen as more favorable to the Senate as opposed to censorship. Of course, when has a ratings system ever proven effective? I bought all the "explicit lyrics" albums I wanted as an adolescent, and when I taught middle school, all my kids were playing Grand Theft Auto. There really is no perfect solution, but while the Comics Code caused a lot of turmoil and put a lot of good people out of business, I don't think it was as insanely evil a concept as modern comic historians often make it out to be. Some stuff out there really shouldn't have been put in the hands of kids, and there should have been some effort on the part of publishers to help prevent that. You're right that full blown censorship wasn't the way. I'm not sure there was a right way, but it was appropriate to do something. Age ratings at least come along with that sense of “at least you can’t say we didn’t warn you.” Sure, an early 1950s comic book company could say “but we didn’t intend for kids to read gory comics,” but without any sort of proof, the blame could more easily shift onto the companies regardless of original intent. Know what I mean?
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 5, 2020 20:46:38 GMT -5
I just read that Crimebuster story.... wow. When you said it was bonkers, you meant it! I find Crimebuster's outfit distracting to the story a bit... why? They could have him where the sweater and that would be enough.. the shorts on the outside and the cape are just too much. No teenager would wear that.. I guess WHY he is, but it is jarring to me. Other that that, I enjoyed it.. bonkers though it was (especially the hit man tossing legless Biff around... you'd never see that today). Definitely in the top 3 of the stories so far. Here's what I don't get, though.... the lawyer said Pete had a million dollars (we'll set aside for a moment how a guy could get a million dollars begging in the 1940s, which might be the 2nd most absurd part of the story). Then the lawyer collects the taxes(Which also doesn't make sense), which should have been more like 1/2, not 75% (That was the top rate in the 40s, for 10m or more). It's implied Biff is a criminal, he should have been happy to take the case and try to evade the taxes. This is what happens when finance guys read comics OK, off to read the rest!
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