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Post by Dizzy D on Dec 19, 2014 5:03:04 GMT -5
I know Moore Swamp Thing is a must read...but what about Vertigo Swamp Thing? Any other notable newer series of Swamp Thing that are well written and worth the read? I ask because a local shop has some random stuff I considered picking up but did not know much about... Mark Millar's Swamp Thing run is great. If you only know his work post-Ultimates, you'll be surprised that he could write with some depth once upon a time. Some of the finest single issues I've ever read, too, especially the beautiful "Swamp Dog" and the outrageous "Chester Williams: American Cop" (with Curt Swan art!). Phil Hester was the artist for the majority of the run, and he turns in his usual great job. Also, some gorgeous Totleben covers. [snip] That's what's so frustrating about Millar. Usually with bad writers, I can shrug and stop reading it, but Millar has shown again and again that he can be a great writer. He just needs a strong editor who takes him to the side from time to time and point at another unnecessary scene just done for shock value and go "Really, Mark?". I do want to check out his Starlight as I heard good things about it. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Dec 19, 2014 15:37:07 GMT -5
Mark Millar's Swamp Thing run is great. If you only know his work post-Ultimates, you'll be surprised that he could write with some depth once upon a time. Some of the finest single issues I've ever read, too, especially the beautiful "Swamp Dog" and the outrageous "Chester Williams: American Cop" (with Curt Swan art!). Phil Hester was the artist for the majority of the run, and he turns in his usual great job. Also, some gorgeous Totleben covers. [snip] That's what's so frustrating about Millar. Usually with bad writers, I can shrug and stop reading it, but Millar has shown again and again that he can be a great writer. He just needs a strong editor who takes him to the side from time to time and point at another unnecessary scene just done for shock value and go "Really, Mark?". I do want to check out his Starlight as I heard good things about it. I've heard good things about Starlight, too, but I haven't read it, either. I'm waiting on the collection. It has Goran Parlov art, so if nothing else, it's worth it for that.
I'm intrigued by MPH, too, but more for the Fegredo art.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 18:15:05 GMT -5
I've read Starlight - it wasn't bad at all, but filter that through the fact that I actually (hushed voice, and hope Dan B isn't listening (and where is he, actually, haven't seen him around for days?)) quite like Millar's writing. He does tend to try push the boundaries on shock, not always to the benefit of the story, and sometimes his ambition drastically outstrips his talent (his F4 run a couple of years ago, for example), but he also has some good ideas and often executes them well That's what's so frustrating about Millar. Usually with bad writers, I can shrug and stop reading it, but Millar has shown again and again that he can be a great writer. He just needs a strong editor who takes him to the side from time to time and point at another unnecessary scene just done for shock value and go "Really, Mark?". That's it exactly - the trouble is, I get the impression that most of the time the editor is either a Millar fanboy who thinks solar rays exude from his fundament, or they're creator-owned things where he has the last word |
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Post by fanboystranger on Dec 20, 2014 3:00:02 GMT -5
I've read Starlight - it wasn't bad at all, but filter that through the fact that I actually (hushed voice, and hope Dan B isn't listening (and where is he, actually, haven't seen him around for days?)) quite like Millar's writing. He does tend to try push the boundaries on shock, not always to the benefit of the story, and sometimes his ambition drastically outstrips his talent (his F4 run a couple of years ago, for example), but he also has some good ideas and often executes them well That's what's so frustrating about Millar. Usually with bad writers, I can shrug and stop reading it, but Millar has shown again and again that he can be a great writer. He just needs a strong editor who takes him to the side from time to time and point at another unnecessary scene just done for shock value and go "Really, Mark?". That's it exactly - the trouble is, I get the impression that most of the time the editor is either a Millar fanboy who thinks solar rays exude from his fundament, or they're creator-owned things where he has the last word I want to like Millar because I used to like Millar. I know he has some depth within him, but it's been so long since I've seen it.
He went half-assed Pat Mills for so long, but he never had that vitriolic Mills charm.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Dec 20, 2014 3:47:50 GMT -5
What should I expect from Marv Wolfman and George Perez's run on The New Teen Titans?
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Post by fanboystranger on Dec 20, 2014 4:04:07 GMT -5
What should I expect from Marv Wolfman and George Perez's run on The New Teen Titans? Lots of panels, good characterization, and sense that the story is important. Dialogue is dated, and a lot of the series is pandering to long time readers, but very solid overall. Well worth a read. |
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Post by coveredinbees on Dec 22, 2014 0:33:37 GMT -5
What should I expect from Marv Wolfman and George Perez's run on The New Teen Titans? There's a lot prose, but I think less than Claremont. It's been awhile. The stories are full developed and the issues feel long. It's great. The stories are strong, too, but I got little tired and had to come back to it once or twice. It's really worth the effort. There's just so much more to the issues than a lot of today's really short issues. The characters are distinct and likable and the stakes are high. I haven't been able to purchase their entire run, and I've always been disappointed. Perez tells a narrative well and his panels are detailed. |
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Post by badwolf on Dec 22, 2014 11:05:39 GMT -5
What should I expect from Marv Wolfman and George Perez's run on The New Teen Titans? I find that they don't hold up as well as I remember them (not nearly as well as Claremont's work from the time), but they are still pretty good. I think the biggest problem is the frequent dated pop culture references in the dialogue, usually from Changeling, a character I find kind of annoying. "The Judas Contract" is great, and I think the series reached a new level when it went direct-sales only, became a bit more mature. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Dec 26, 2014 20:13:37 GMT -5
I've been watching a lot of Batman The Brave and the Bold cartoon and find myself interested in it but not much context for the characters and time line. Many I know by sight but maybe nothing about them. And until reading about the show I had no idea that some of the episodes are loosly or partly based on an actual BatB comic. I like that some episodes are really light hearted and not some grim like Batman of modern times.
Are the comics in the same vein?
I'm sure there's reprints or TPBs. What would you suggest for Batman centric collections/reprints?
What can I read of Solomon Grundy in BatB?
Red Tornado?
Gentlemen Ghost?
A lot of these characters are new to me. (Except Grundy. I just like him from the modern comics I've read.) I have a feeling I might like these, and may get me interested in superheroes again.
Oh and uhhh ... He's a villain with red skin and like fin on his head. In one of the episode Batman, Sinestro, Guy and Gnort were fighting him. Kind of like a Thanos or Mongul type villain but I can't remember his name. Edit: Despero! I also like Chemo.
Hopefully I can find some of these TPBs at the library.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 26, 2014 22:08:31 GMT -5
The guy with Red Skin and a fin on his head is Despero.. he's been a long-time JLA baddie, and occasional hero. No idea about a comic that goes with BntB though.
I was noticing some Doug Moench written/edited stuff in the 'meanwhile' page when reading some Legion.. anyone have any comments about them... I've heard of, but never read, Electric Warrior. The other two, Lord of the Ultra Realm, and another whose name has fallen out of may brain, I'd never heard of.
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Post by berkley on Dec 26, 2014 23:34:50 GMT -5
Martin Pasko's Swamp Thing run needs more love.  I agree. It's solid stuff, but it's completely overshadowed by Moore's subsequent run. I'd rate it about the same as Nancy Collins' run-- good but not quite great. Definitely worth reading but not going to blow your mind like Moore's or Veitch's respective runs (or even Millar's or Soule's). Agreed, based on memory - haven't read it since it first came out, but I followed the Pasko run pretty much all the way through at the time, so I must have liked it. |
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Post by spoon on Dec 27, 2014 17:54:11 GMT -5
I bought the Pasko run of Swamp Thing off of ebay a few months ago. I actually just read #1 today.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 28, 2014 23:08:25 GMT -5
The guy with Red Skin and a fin on his head is Despero.. he's been a long-time JLA baddie, and occasional hero. No idea about a comic that goes with BntB though. I was noticing some Doug Moench written/edited stuff in the 'meanwhile' page when reading some Legion.. anyone have any comments about them... I've heard of, but never read, Electric Warrior. The other two, Lord of the Ultra Realm, and another whose name has fallen out of may brain, I'd never heard of. I just noticed Shax did a review thread for Electric Warrior... sounds pretty cool... I'll have to try to pick that up sometime. Incidently, Starlight is really good.. definitely the 'good' Millar, rather than the 'I blew #$*# up to shock people' Millar. I'd highly recommend it. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 29, 2014 0:00:31 GMT -5
I've been watching a lot of Batman The Brave and the Bold cartoon and find myself interested in it but not much context for the characters and time line. Many I know by sight but maybe nothing about them. And until reading about the show I had no idea that some of the episodes are loosly or partly based on an actual BatB comic. I like that some episodes are really light hearted and not some grim like Batman of modern times. Are the comics in the same vein? I'm sure there's reprints or TPBs. What would you suggest for Batman centric collections/reprints? What can I read of Solomon Grundy in BatB? Red Tornado? Gentlemen Ghost? A lot of these characters are new to me. (Except Grundy. I just like him from the modern comics I've read.) I have a feeling I might like these, and may get me interested in superheroes again. Oh and uhhh ... He's a villain with red skin and like fin on his head. In one of the episode Batman, Sinestro, Guy and Gnort were fighting him. Kind of like a Thanos or Mongul type villain but I can't remember his name. Edit: Despero! I also like Chemo. Hopefully I can find some of these TPBs at the library. The Haney/Aparo Brave and the Bold is really good, but it's in a very different - and darker - vein than the show. Their was a tie-in comics with scripts by Scholly Fish that was, actually, one of my very favorite superhero books of the last decade or so. |
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Post by Dizzy D on Dec 29, 2014 5:05:17 GMT -5
The guy with Red Skin and a fin on his head is Despero.. he's been a long-time JLA baddie, and occasional hero. No idea about a comic that goes with BntB though. I was noticing some Doug Moench written/edited stuff in the 'meanwhile' page when reading some Legion.. anyone have any comments about them... I've heard of, but never read, Electric Warrior. The other two, Lord of the Ultra Realm, and another whose name has fallen out of may brain, I'd never heard of. I just noticed Shax did a review thread for Electric Warrior... sounds pretty cool... I'll have to try to pick that up sometime. Incidently, Starlight is really good.. definitely the 'good' Millar, rather than the 'I blew #$*# up to shock people' Millar. I'd highly recommend it. Yeah, I got around to picking up Starlight in singles and was also pleasantly surprised. It's a pretty straightforward story that hits the right notes. I hope to see more of this Millar the coming years. |
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