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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 8, 2020 14:24:01 GMT -5
Gustovich saw some work in Marvel much after this. Maybe this was his first bunch of assignments, cause it sure looked amateurish.
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Post by kirby101 on Jun 8, 2020 18:48:07 GMT -5
I'd say Silver Age books with Kirby covers and Don Heck art, but that would piss off a whole bunch of members  |
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 8, 2020 20:23:43 GMT -5
re: Gustovich and Justice Machine. The Noble Comics magazine size issues were pretty much self-published and early work. He got a ton of help on them, including William Messner-Loebs and some others from the Detroit area (think it was Detroit). Gustovich penciled and did some inks and the rest helped with the inks. He also did Cobalt Blue, which was in a flip book format, with the 4 or 5th issue, if memory serves. He did some inking for Marvel and for First Comics and also did inking for Milestone, on Icon, over Mark Bright pencils. He was definitely a better inker than penciler; how, his art in the Comico run of the series was much better than it had been in the earlier Nobel Comics stuff. He had also refined the characters and started the series from square one, when Comico picked it up. He left comics after the 90s and taught at an art college. Here's an interior page from the third issue of the Comico regular series....  I know one of the guys who helped at Noble was Kevin Siembieda, who founded Palladium Games. Hwe ould the produce a Justice Machine Sourcebook, to use with their Heroes Unlimited game. He was also tight with Peter Laird, who did some art for the HU Sourcebook (which had a Steranko cover) and Palladium had some TMNT stuff. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 8, 2020 20:25:23 GMT -5
ps Gustovich always struggled with faces from certain angles. He was also the publisher, with Noble and that probably bit into his drawing time,
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Post by dbutler69 on Jun 24, 2020 10:53:30 GMT -5
I think it's like false advertising to have someone other than the interior artist to the cover art.
I've got at least one copy of the Legion of Super-Heroes with a George Perez/Terry Austen cover and Steve Ditko art. I'm definitely not a fan of Ditko's stuff, especially his 70's and 80's work, and this is from the late 70's/early 80's.
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Post by tartanphantom on Jun 24, 2020 11:54:37 GMT -5
For me, any book with Liefeld interior art, regardless of cover artist... makes me subconsciously reach for an emetic...   But that's just my personal taste. Another book comes to mind, the weird DC Shadow series that ran from '87-'89. This was during what I refer to as Bill Sienkiewicz's "Blue Picasso" period. Bill was really getting experimental with graphic art design, including paste-ups, collage, watercolor and abstract panel design. He was also one of the hottest artists of the day. Ergo, there were many other artists who began to ape his "Blue Picasso" abstraction. Namely, Kyle Baker. Bill did the cover and interiors for the first six issues, then, after an interim issue or two, Kyle Baker resumed the cover/interior art. Almost right off the bat, he began to mimic the style initially used by Sienkiewicz in earlier issues. Now, I'm not saying that trying to maintain the feel of the book wasn't important, but it just seemed more like "Sienkiewicz-Lite" than Kyle Baker. Almost every issue has a great cover, but the interior Baker art looks less-than-inspired. Yeah, I know that this book was a product of its time and all, and that grainy, shadowy abstraction was "the IN thing" (Frank Miller is at least partly to blame), but to me, it just didn't work in this particular situation. Of course, this is just one man's opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 12:53:00 GMT -5
I think it's like false advertising to have someone other than the interior artist to the cover art. I've got at least one copy of the Legion of Super-Heroes with a George Perez/Terry Austen cover and Steve Ditko art. I'm definitely not a fan of Ditko's stuff, especially his 70's and 80's work, and this is from the late 70's/early 80's. What if it has multiple stories by multiple artists inside like most comics did through the Silver Age? Should all of them be represented on the cover so it's not misleading about the interiors? What if the interior artist is slow and barely makes deadlines with the pages involved and cannot get a cover done in time? Should they delay the book and possibly lose money and annoy the customer base to wait for him or her to do a cover? What if the interior artist doesn't want to do the cover? The idea that a single comic features a single story by a single creative team is a late development not a norm for the medium, and again, if you are a reader and not a collector, it's the insides that matter not the cover and trade dress. And honestly, in modern comics, how much do covers matter in selling the contents since books have to be preordered well ahead of time and long before the cover is on the stands-and if you are ordering form solicitations you can see the interior artist is different than the cover artist. And if you are a collector, it's a chance to get material by multiple creators in a single purchase if the cover art is by a different artist. -M |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 24, 2020 13:05:43 GMT -5
I think it's like false advertising to have someone other than the interior artist to the cover art. I've got at least one copy of the Legion of Super-Heroes with a George Perez/Terry Austen cover and Steve Ditko art. I'm definitely not a fan of Ditko's stuff, especially his 70's and 80's work, and this is from the late 70's/early 80's. What if it has multiple stories by multiple artists inside like most comics did through the Silver Age? Should all of them be represented on the cover so it's not misleading about the interiors? What if the interior artist is slow and barely makes deadlines with the pages involved and cannot get a cover done in time? Should they delay the book and possibly lose money and annoy the customer base to wait for him or her to do a cover? What if the interior artist doesn't want to do the cover? The idea that a single comic features a single story by a single creative team is a late development not a norm for the medium, and again, if you are a reader and not a collector, it's the insides that matter not the cover and trade dress. And honestly, in modern comics, how much do covers matter in selling the contents since books have to be preordered well ahead of time and long before the cover is on the stands-and if you are ordering form solicitations you can see the interior artist is different than the cover artist. And if you are a collector, it's a chance to get material by multiple creators in a single purchase if the cover art is by a different artist. -M The opposite can also be the case. The artist is a cover artist because they are slow and can't keep up with the grind of a book. See, Brian Bolland. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 24, 2020 14:12:42 GMT -5
Expect Gil Kane…  …and get Frank Robbins!  Now in all fairness, as was the case for Brian Bolland earlier in the thread, everyone knew that Kane was mostly a cover artist at Marvel in those days and that he did not do interiors... but the transition was still brutal!!! |
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Post by tarkintino on Jun 24, 2020 14:50:12 GMT -5
What if it has multiple stories by multiple artists inside like most comics did through the Silver Age? Should all of them be represented on the cover so it's not misleading about the interiors? ...or they could strike something of a balance by having the main cover artist also reproduce older work for the insets, so there is some actual representation on the cover, as many a Bronze Age 100-page DC book did:  |
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Post by tarkintino on Jun 24, 2020 14:55:52 GMT -5
Expect Gil Kane… …and get Frank Robbins! Now in all fairness, as was the case for Brian Bolland earlier in the thread, everyone knew that Kane was mostly a cover artist at Marvel in those days and that he did not do interiors... but the transition was still brutal!!! Very brutal. That was a great case for never just buying a comic without browsing, even if its one of your regulars, as you may end up with an unpleasant surprise. In the case of Captain America and the Falcon (which I collected every month), the stories were strong enough for me to grit my teeth and tolerate work like that in your example. |
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Post by tartanphantom on Jun 24, 2020 16:31:55 GMT -5
…and get Frank Robbins! It's pretty obvious from the panel you posted that Frank Robbins used a "Stretch Armstrong" toy as his figure model... .jpg) |
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Post by Rob Allen on Jun 24, 2020 19:45:22 GMT -5
The earliest example in my collecting life was X-Men #49 - Steranko cover, interior art by Don Heck, Werner Roth & John Tartaglione.
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Post by berkley on Jun 25, 2020 0:52:23 GMT -5
There are - obviously - all kinds of practical reasons why they have one artist do the cover and another the interior art, but so what? Why on earth would anyone let that inhibit them from expressing their preference that the interior artwork and the cover be done by the same person?
From another POV, if time and deadline pressures are the main obstacle, perhaps this is simply yet another indication that the whole idea of monthly serial issues is something the industry should have let go of years ago.
OTOH, if comic consumers as a group are still wedded to the serial format I recognise that we'll probably have to put up with specialised cover artists - but it won't stop me from telling everyone I don't like it, on principle!
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Post by rberman on Jun 25, 2020 7:29:02 GMT -5
I'm glad the market has a place for cover artist specialists like Bill Sienkiewicz, Alex Ross, Brian Bolland, Adam Hughes, Artgerm, Art Adams, etc.
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