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Post by Farrar on Jun 26, 2020 8:55:59 GMT -5
Very sad news  . He seemed like such a great person and needless to say, he was a giant in the field. His FF work with Kirby is what I came in on, and for me, that combo can't be beat. RIP Mr. Sinnott. |
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Post by Farrar on Jun 26, 2020 8:59:41 GMT -5
One of the things Joe should be credited with is he stayed on the FF for about 130 issues after Kirby left. Up until John Byrne took over. Through Buscema, Perez, Seinkewicz among others, he kept the quality of the art and the look of the book consistent. Yes, post-Kirby people like Buscema and Buckler and others were basically doing layouts for his finishes. It was Sinnott's FF that became the gold standard. |
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Post by Farrar on Jun 26, 2020 9:06:23 GMT -5
Sinnott was an incredibly classy guy from everything I've ever read. And I agree with Slam_Bradley ; he was the perfect inker for Kirby. And he was also superb on Buscema's pencils. Also an excellent penciler himself... Reminds me of Joe Maneely.  Reposted from the RIP thread, with a couple of extra pages.) I've always admired Sinnott's faces, and this Beatles page has some great examples of his trademark elements (strong brows, "teardrop" eye shape, defined noses, detailed ears). |
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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 28, 2020 12:45:18 GMT -5
I'm upset right now and I'm hoping you can help! The text below was posted on another forum about Mr. Sinnott's death and I would really like confirmation that this person has obviously gotten Joe Sinnott mixed up with, er, some other inker of the period (being very polite here, no names needed). Am I right? Yes or No? Thank you! I have never read or heard these things about Mr. Sinnott (and are particularly distasteful upon news of his death).  Last year, while he was still with us, the only YouTube vid I ever saw offered in my que about Joe Sinnott, was a "why did Joe Sinnott get so much work" piece, one of a series of comic-geek pieces on legendary Marvel history. It went on in detail about how Joe played the game (aka, "kissing some you-know-what"), that got him lots of ink work. Not that he didn't deserve the work, as he was consistently on-time, and asserted himself in the Bullpen to make himself popular at what he did. He was also, however, noted for taking shortcuts such as glossing over details the artists left for him, blacking-over more detailed pencils, and simply ignoring backgrounds so as to get the work done quicker. This, unfortunately, is a part of his legacy that will also get glossed-over, as people line up to get their tributes in. In fact, I just did a YouTube search on Sinnott, and lo and behold, the constantly-reloading/endlessly-re-freshening YouTube open page just couldn't get around to loading less-than-complimentary but-nevertheless-accurate pieces, because gosh darn it, it was too busy loading "whatta-guy-he-was-a-legend-RIP" videos by the dozen.
The fervor of giving a guy his due, is going to let people looking for the complete story, leave uninformed. And when you're a professional, this is more of a disservice than it is respect. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Jun 28, 2020 13:14:03 GMT -5
I'm upset right now and I'm hoping you can help! The text below was posted on another forum about Mr. Sinnott's death and I would really like confirmation that this person has obviously gotten Joe Sinnott mixed up with, er, some other inker of the period (being very polite here, no names needed). Am I right? Yes or No? Thank you! I have never read or heard these things about Mr. Sinnott (and are particularly distasteful upon news of his death). Last year, while he was still with us, the only YouTube vid I ever saw offered in my que about Joe Sinnott, was a "why did Joe Sinnott get so much work" piece, one of a series of comic-geek pieces on legendary Marvel history. It went on in detail about how Joe played the game (aka, "kissing some you-know-what"), that got him lots of ink work. Not that he didn't deserve the work, as he was consistently on-time, and asserted himself in the Bullpen to make himself popular at what he did. He was also, however, noted for taking shortcuts such as glossing over details the artists left for him, blacking-over more detailed pencils, and simply ignoring backgrounds so as to get the work done quicker. This, unfortunately, is a part of his legacy that will also get glossed-over, as people line up to get their tributes in. In fact, I just did a YouTube search on Sinnott, and lo and behold, the constantly-reloading/endlessly-re-freshening YouTube open page just couldn't get around to loading less-than-complimentary but-nevertheless-accurate pieces, because gosh darn it, it was too busy loading "whatta-guy-he-was-a-legend-RIP" videos by the dozen.
The fervor of giving a guy his due, is going to let people looking for the complete story, leave uninformed. And when you're a professional, this is more of a disservice than it is respect.Sounds like someone else entirely. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 28, 2020 13:17:49 GMT -5
Yes. The internet seems to empower a certain kind of reactionary commentary that can be astonishingly misplaced sometimes. I think the post is being removed by the poster at that forum now. I had responded to it politely that "These people working before the mid-1980s got only a page rate, and a fairly low one by publishing standards in general, with no security or benefits as a freelancer, I'm not going to be harshly critical of any of them, but I have never heard or read such comments about Joe Sinnott anywhere else."
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Post by kirby101 on Jun 28, 2020 13:23:57 GMT -5
That is not Sinnott. It is said he took an entire day to ink this famous page, because he refused to take short cuts.  And there are enough examples of Kirby pencil xeroxes and Sinnott inks to see he was faithful to the pencils. (outside of fixing the occasional face).
Becca's post is from someone with an axe to grind.
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Post by kirby101 on Jun 28, 2020 16:14:37 GMT -5
The only controversy about Joe Sinnott is whether he was Kirby's best inker or second best inker.  |
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Post by Farrar on Jun 29, 2020 11:49:23 GMT -5
I'm upset right now and I'm hoping you can help! The text below was posted on another forum about Mr. Sinnott's death and I would really like confirmation that this person has obviously gotten Joe Sinnott mixed up with, er, some other inker of the period (being very polite here, no names needed). Am I right? Yes or No? Thank you! I have never read or heard these things about Mr. Sinnott (and are particularly distasteful upon news of his death). ... Well, yes, obviously the person was mixing up Sinnott with Mr. X. Easy to clear up, just give the person the inker's name and tell the poster to do a quick search in YouTube "(Mr. X) the inker who ruined Jack Kirby's art" and voila, there's the YouTube video the person's thinking of. ETA: Btw Sinnott is quoted in the video, so maybe that's why the person misremembered who the video was about. |
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Post by tarkintino on Jun 29, 2020 11:53:32 GMT -5
The only controversy about Joe Sinnott is whether he was Kirby's best inker or second best inker. ...ahhh...Syd Shores... |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 29, 2020 11:54:45 GMT -5
The only controversy about Joe Sinnott is whether he was Kirby's best inker or second best inker. I think he's the best inker for making Kirby look like Kirby. But I love Wally Wood inking Kirby. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 29, 2020 12:06:32 GMT -5
I may've posted this somewhere here before but the inker I think closest to Joe Sinnott in smooth perfection is DC's Sid Greene. I loved his inks over Gil Kane in the '60s comics I saw! I could almost believe he was a pen-name of Mr. Sinnott's. I don't know if Greene ever inked Kirby.
I like Wally Wood inks on anyone I've figured out... Kirby and Ditko both come out very well with his finishes, Dan Adkins being similar.
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Post by MDG on Jun 29, 2020 12:41:26 GMT -5
I may've posted this somewhere here before but the inker I think closest to Joe Sinnott in smooth perfection is DC's Sid Greene. I loved his inks over Gil Kane in the '60s comics I saw! I could almost believe he was a pen-name of Mr. Sinnott's. I don't know if Greene ever inked Kirby. I like Wally Wood inks on anyone I've figured out... Kirby and Ditko both come out very well with his finishes, Dan Adkins being similar. Yeah--Greene is my favorite Silver Age inker at DC (w/ Klein as close second).
Wood is great, but makes everything look like Wood. Actually, I don't like any inkers over Ditko--they all tend to want to "pretty it up."
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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 29, 2020 12:45:58 GMT -5
Ditko on Ditko is the best!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 29, 2020 13:04:19 GMT -5
I may've posted this somewhere here before but the inker I think closest to Joe Sinnott in smooth perfection is DC's Sid Greene. I loved his inks over Gil Kane in the '60s comics I saw! I could almost believe he was a pen-name of Mr. Sinnott's. I don't know if Greene ever inked Kirby. I like Wally Wood inks on anyone I've figured out... Kirby and Ditko both come out very well with his finishes, Dan Adkins being similar. Yeah--Greene is my favorite Silver Age inker at DC (w/ Klein as close second).
Wood is great, but makes everything look like Wood. Actually, I don't like any inkers over Ditko--they all tend to want to "pretty it up."
I consider that a good thing. |
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. He seemed like such a great person and needless to say, he was a giant in the field. 
