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Post by DubipR on Jul 6, 2020 13:07:27 GMT -5
Without repeating, which I like everything listed, I love the Waid/Garney Cap run.. both of them!
From Operation Rebirth to their return on Heroes Return and Cap losing his shield, their run was super exciting.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jul 6, 2020 18:22:30 GMT -5
 I read this last week. And you know the saying, "Even villains are heroes in their stories." Well the fascist Captain America of the 50's couldn't see what he was doing was sending the country down the hill as they say. Good thing the original Captain America was revived at a later time. I recommend this issue for those that are Captain America fans out there. It's a good two-part issue. I wouldn't be surprised if it helped influence the 1990 Movie (which I think Nizcera's Adventures Of Captain America was a response to). IDK, the idea of Cap only being revived in the 60's and feeling out of place by only twenty years never sat right with me from a "Rip Van Winkle" standpoint because not all that much changed |
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Post by sabongero on Jul 10, 2020 19:25:53 GMT -5
Does anyone know how many times Steve Rogers stepped down as Captain America in his series since the the 1960's and was replaced by another person as Captain America? I know there's various times. But I am only familiar with the one by Gruenwald when the Super Patriot, John Walker, replaced him. I'd really appreciate it. Thanks.
PS if you happen to recall the issue number(s) that'd be fantastic.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Jul 11, 2020 9:32:27 GMT -5
Does anyone know how many times Steve Rogers stepped down as Captain America in his series since the the 1960's and was replaced by another person as Captain America? I know there's various times. But I am only familiar with the one by Gruenwald when the Super Patriot, John Walker, replaced him. I'd really appreciate it. Thanks. PS if you happen to recall the issue number(s) that'd be fantastic. Steve Englehart had Rogers quit as Cap in CA #176, following the Secret Empire / Watergate storyline. Bob Russo, "Scar" Turpin and Roscoe Simons tried to replace him in #178-183. JM DeMatteis wanted to have Rogers renounce violence and be assassinated by Jack Monroe circa CA #300, then replace him with his native American character, the Black Crow, but Jim Shooter vetoed the idea. Ed Brubaker had Rogers "die" in CA #25, and replaced him with Bucky Barnes. Someone named Dave Rickford then replaced Bucky as Cap in CA #615.1 by Brubaker and Mitch Breitweiser. |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 13, 2020 19:53:53 GMT -5
I'm not a huge Cap Am fan or anything, but I do really like some scattered issues...the aforementioned three Steranko issues from 1969 especially. But a stand-alone issue that I have great affection for is Capain America #272, by J. M. DeMatteis and Mike Zeck...  I bought this issue as a 10-year-old in late 1982, so there's obviously a big nostalgia factor at play here. But nonetheless, I really rate the story and would even go so far as to call it "the single best Cap story I've ever read." DeMatteis' weaves a street-level tale that sees Cap facing off against Vermin (in his first ever appearance) on the rain-drenched streets and flooded sewers of New York City, while a parallel story featuring the Falcon tackling the problems of inner city gangs and drug addiction plays out above. This makes for an interesting juxtaposition and sits well within a grimy, gritty, rain-soaked, filthy dirty story, full of moral ambiguities and complex character motivations. It's all rendered wonderfully by Mike Zeck, with the moody colouring of Bob Sharen also deserving special mention. Simply put, this is a really great, done-in-one, single issue story. I think I'd be a much bigger Captain America fan if more of his comics were like this one. |
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Post by rberman on Jul 13, 2020 20:26:06 GMT -5
I've mentioned before that my single favorite Captain America moment is actually from Secret Wars #12, when Doctor Doom, killing everyone with the stolen power of the Beyonder, gets so psyched out by the thought of Captain America's unbeatability that he keeps resurrecting Cap despite himself. Symbols have power.  |
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Post by chaykinstevens on Jul 14, 2020 11:25:50 GMT -5
It's all rendered wonderfully by Mike Zeck, with the moody colouring of John Beatty also deserving special mention. Simply put, this is a really great, done-in-one, single issue story. John Beatty inked CA #272. Colouring was by Bob Sharen, not usually noted for the moodiness of his colours. |
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Post by Batflunkie on Jul 14, 2020 21:04:17 GMT -5
I'm not a huge Cap Am fan or anything, but I do really like some scattered issues...the aforementioned three Steranko issues from 1969 especially. But a stand-alone issue that I have great affection for is Capain America #272, by J. M. DeMatteis and Mike Zeck... I bought this issue as a 10-year-old in late 1982, so there's obviously a big nostalgia factor at play here. But nonetheless, I really rate the story and would even go so far as to call it "the single best Cap story I've ever read." DeMatteis' weaves a street-level tale that sees Cap facing off against Vermin (in his first ever appearance) on the rain-drenched streets and flooded sewers of New York City, while a parallel story featuring the Falcon tackling the problems of inner city gangs and drug addiction plays out above. This makes for an interesting juxtaposition and sits well within a grimy, gritty, rain-soaked, filthy dirty story, full of moral ambiguities and complex character motivations. It's all rendered wonderfully by Mike Zeck, with the moody colouring of Bob Sharen also deserving special mention. Simply put, this is a really great, done-in-one, single issue story. I think I'd be a much bigger Captain America fan if more of his comics were like this one. Wish I could remember this issue....
And I love Zeck's Cap, I'm passed the point where he gets replaced by Paul Neary. Neary's okay and gets the job done, but he's no Zeck |
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Post by earl on Jul 16, 2020 23:18:59 GMT -5
The Deathlok and Wolverine guest appearances in the 80s were big Captain America issues with me as a kid.
The first Cosmic Cube comics with the Red Skull I think is my favorite Silver Age Cap Am story.
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Post by String on Jul 17, 2020 11:23:03 GMT -5
I still have a scattering amount of Cap issues from over the years, mostly from the Gruenwald run. One issue that I really liked was:  I don't know if these two villains met previously before this yet I'm surprised that the underlying horrific connection between these two hasn't been explored in some way prior. Vengeance has been a long time a'coming and the punishment inflicted by Magnus upon Red Skull is stark and brutal. I thought it was quite the strong tale by Gruenwald and Dwyer. I've never been that much of a Cap reader other than his appearances in Avengers. As a result, for some inexplicable reason, I've never associated Cap with the same secret identity troubles as other Marvel heroes have like Iron Man, Spider-Man or even Thor. I guess since he was a wartime national hero who had disappeared/presumed dead, I merely thought it was general knowledge by this point that Steve Rogers was Cap. Even now with catching up on issues (yes, the Stern/Byrne run is quite good), I still think it's kinda superfluous for Steve to have secret identity problems. |
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Post by Batflunkie on Jul 17, 2020 13:52:06 GMT -5
I've never been that much of a Cap reader other than his appearances in Avengers. As a result, for some inexplicable reason, I've never associated Cap with the same secret identity troubles as other Marvel heroes have like Iron Man, Spider-Man or even Thor. I guess since he was a wartime national hero who had disappeared/presumed dead, I merely thought it was general knowledge by this point that Steve Rogers was Cap. Even now with catching up on issues (yes, the Stern/Byrne run is quite good), I still think it's kinda superfluous for Steve to have secret identity problems. Cap's main thing for a while was having PTSD over Bucky and just being out of his element by about 20 years (which like I mentioned previously, is nothing. Not much really changed between 1942 and 1962 other than maybe the advent of television). They really kind of struggled with the idea of giving Cap a secret identity for a while, but it never really stuck. I guess he never really considered one as they're more or less the same person just like he is in the films. If I had to surmise what attracts me to Cap so much it's the fact that Steve Rogers isn't really all that special. Anyone could have gotten the Super Soldier serum, but Steve just happened to love his country a little more than the other guys and is emboldened by a sense of justice that I just never saw in other Marvel heroes |
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Post by String on Jul 20, 2020 11:08:45 GMT -5
So I've started reading the Epic Collection Captain America Lives Again which reprints Strange Tales #114, Avengers #4, Tales of Suspense #58-96.
It's been entertaining so far. The Strange Tales issue has Johnny Storm facing off against a Cap imposter (Cap's red trunks being a sign of such hahaha). Of course, his classic intro in Avengers and the early issues of ToS where I get the sense that Lee may have struggled for a bit in settling Steve down in this new Marvel Age. Cap kept getting invited to exhibitions/demonstrations of his prowess and then trouble ensues! Then in ToS #63, they start with some WW II flashback stories with Bucky.
As I said previously, I've never associated secret identity problems with Cap. However, I would think that maintaining a secret identity while in the Army would be doubly difficult regardless. For example, what if Cap's latest mission to thwart Nazi saboteurs took so long that Pvt. Rogers may be declared AWOL? Plus, it looks oddly weird for Cap and Bucky to sometimes refer to themselves as "Mr. Rogers" and "Mr. Barnes".
Also, just to help clarify, did Steve take the serum before Pearl Harbor and America officially entering the war?
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Post by chaykinstevens on Jul 20, 2020 16:52:14 GMT -5
Also, just to help clarify, did Steve take the serum before Pearl Harbor and America officially entering the war? I think Captain America Comics #1 was published almost a year before Pearl Harbour. I don't know whether later tellings of Cap's origin retconned this. |
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Post by rberman on Jul 20, 2020 17:14:50 GMT -5
Also, just to help clarify, did Steve take the serum before Pearl Harbor and America officially entering the war? I think Captain America Comics #1 was published almost a year before Pearl Harbour. I don't know whether later tellings of Cap's origin retconned this. Making it quite a political statement in a nation deeply divided about joining the war in Europe. |
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