Crimebuster
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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 6, 2020 10:14:33 GMT -5
I've been part of multiple Avengers online fan groups over the past 25 years, and within those circles, the Korvac Saga has always been cited by many fans as one of, if not the, top storylines in the series. Just my experience.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Aug 6, 2020 11:45:32 GMT -5
I enjoyed the Korvac saga, but Shooter's later run on the series spoiled the Avengers, Shooter as a writer, and to a certain degree Marvel Comics, for me.
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Post by tonebone on Sept 2, 2020 15:29:44 GMT -5
those issues that were so bad, so appallingly out of character, so forced, so unbelievable, or just otherwise so wrong or out of place they utterly ruined the story/run/title More like a different kind of storm, if you know what I mean. Yeah, what the hell was up with that... I stopped reading for a couple of months and BAM, his cool costume (the coolest) was gone and we were left with THAT. Looks like something Neal Adams would have created for Continuity Comics.
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Post by berkley on Sept 2, 2020 15:37:32 GMT -5
More like a different kind of storm, if you know what I mean. Yeah, what the hell was up with that... I stopped reading for a couple of months and BAM, his cool costume (the coolest) was gone and we were left with THAT. Looks like something Neal Adams would have created for Continuity Comics.
Looks more like fur than flames.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 2, 2020 15:39:56 GMT -5
More like a different kind of storm, if you know what I mean. Yeah, what the hell was up with that... I stopped reading for a couple of months and BAM, his cool costume (the coolest) was gone and we were left with THAT. Looks like something Neal Adams would have created for Continuity Comics. But... but... Firestorm is now an elemental! Alan Moore had a lot of success making Swamp Thing a plant elemental, so it must be a good idea to turn as many heroes as possible into Elementals! Then we can have a crossover called "Elemental War"! «Quick, Houseroy! Check if we can make Aquaman a water elemental, Animal Man a steak elemental, Hawkman an air elemental! We'll make millions!!!»(I did chuckle at Brother Power being turned into a puppet elemental, though).
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Post by impulse on Sept 2, 2020 16:16:23 GMT -5
I saw that cover and immediately thought that simultaneously extreme 80s and 90s looking, then I saw the 89 date. Yeah, pretty much, close enough.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 2, 2020 17:27:56 GMT -5
I haven't read that run of Firestorm. But it was written by John Ostrander who will always get every benefit of every doubt from me.
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Post by coinilius on Sept 4, 2020 5:52:20 GMT -5
I haven't read that run of Firestorm. But it was written by John Ostrander who will always get every benefit of every doubt from me. I loved this run on Firestorm! I thought it was very interesting, especially the story with the Orishas.
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Post by SJNeal on Sept 4, 2020 17:35:10 GMT -5
This right here. Catwoman was one of my favorite books for much of the 90's, with names like Duffy, Dixon, Moench, and Ostrander gracing its pages. But then... along came Bronwyn Carlton (Who?! Exactly). This issue in and of itself isn't all that bad - as it's mostly setup for the disaster to come - but this title went downhill sooo fast from this point. I still shake my head in disbelief when I come across Carlton's run in the bargain bins.
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Post by SJNeal on Sept 4, 2020 18:07:13 GMT -5
Looks more like fur than flames. That's because Tom Grindberg was never a good artist.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Sept 4, 2020 21:58:49 GMT -5
I haven't read that run of Firestorm. But it was written by John Ostrander who will always get every benefit of every doubt from me. I probably shoud read it, as I've never disliked anything by Ostrander... but that costume got me to stop buying it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 22:25:30 GMT -5
Looks more like fur than flames. That's because Tom Grindberg was never a good artist. I beg to differ... When he was getting work from Marvel and DC in the late 80s and early 90s, he was asked to ape certain styles of other artists that were popular and moved units, rather than use his own because he was versatile and could do it, but if you look at his natural style, as seen seen above, it's a game changer. Once he was freed from editorial constraints and direction to draw like someone else, his artwork was top notch. Blame editors who couldn't get the artists they wanted to work on books because they cost too much or demanded too much editorial freedom and then required the artists whom they did hire to work in a style that wasn't their own to try to vicariously capture the sales those artists generated. -M
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Post by hondobrode on Sept 5, 2020 2:46:40 GMT -5
Detroit League To be fair, I've never read this run, but everything about it screams horrible. The title had gotten pretty mediocre in the last 2 or 3 years after that legendary 200th issue, but Conway was at his worst here IMHO and Chuck Patton's work certainly couldn't have looked more hum drum or plain that this. Can't say I had ever issue up until this one, but this definitely killed any shred of interest I may have had in picking up a once great Justice League title until post-Crisis.
I like Paco's power, but whoever approved that name, you know, Vibe, was out of their tree.
Bad as that was, Gypsy might have been even worse.
Steel and Vixen seemed fairly decent as additions, but I'll never touch this run despite Aquaman's leadership and Martian Manhunter's coaching.
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Post by profh0011 on Sept 5, 2020 5:30:14 GMT -5
They kinda seemed like THE OUTSIDERS, only without Batman.
I can just picture him watching from Gotham... "Hmm. I quit... and now, everyone else has, as well? What's going on over there?"
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Post by mikelmidnight on Sept 9, 2020 11:29:19 GMT -5
I think this was meant to be a decades-too-late attempt at Cap's Kooky Quartet. But the Justice League was a more established name than the Avengers was, and the characters were all lacking in depth and horrid ethnic stereotypes to boot.
I think if they were really going to ape the Quartet, they ought to have gone for some reformed villains or borderline-villains, like Mind-Grabber Kid, Man-Bat, Huntress & Sportsmaster.
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