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Post by BigPapaJoe on Aug 23, 2020 4:09:33 GMT -5
I was scared for a second that they would just make Kristen Wiig into "Cheetah" by giving her cat like reflexes, and just wearing a fur-coat. Would be a very cheap 90's-esque move. Anyway, this looks ok like the first one felt to me.
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 23, 2020 10:47:27 GMT -5
One; nobody involved with this experienced the 1980s; that is clear.
I liked the New Order trailer, better. Should have had a ska band for this one.
Still looks way better than Batman or that Snyder crap. Well, except for the scene of the two CIWS firing in tandem. I'm not aware of any vessel that had two positioned like that and they are defensive weapons, for intercepting missiles. Civilians!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 23, 2020 12:19:25 GMT -5
I agree it doesn’t look remotely 80s. But I liked the first film well enough to give it a look.
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 23, 2020 17:05:09 GMT -5
The trailers have reminded me of the (rightfully) short-lived That 80s Show, which was crapped together after That 70s Show was a hit. The latter was a funny show, with great characters, set in the 70s, where the jokes didn't (mostly) revolve around the 70s. That 80s Show was just a bunch of 80s jokes strung together. "I'm talking to you on a portable phone!" Dumb 80s hairstyle bits, etc. Felt the same way about The Wedding Singer.
X-Men days of Future Past was just as bad about the 70s. Put Wolverine in a leisure suit and give Mystique a floppy hat. That'll cover it. Hey, make jokes about parachute pants and digital watches, give everyone shoulder pads and big hair. That's the 80s!
I have grey hairs older than the twerps who do these things. The British film and tv industry do such a better job at this sort of thing. Life on Mars and Ashes to Ashes looked and felt like the 70s and 80s; the American LOM looked like someone doing an 70s sketch, without the right props.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Aug 23, 2020 17:24:11 GMT -5
The trailers have reminded me of the (rightfully) short-lived That 80s Show, which was crapped together after That 70s Show was a hit. The latter was a funny show, with great characters, set in the 70s, where the jokes didn't (mostly) revolve around the 70s. That 80s Show was just a bunch of 80s jokes strung together. "I'm talking to you on a portable phone!" Dumb 80s hairstyle bits, etc. Felt the same way about The Wedding Singer. X-Men days of Future Past was just as bad about the 70s. Put Wolverine in a leisure suit and give Mystique a floppy hat. That'll cover it. Hey, make jokes about parachute pants and digital watches, give everyone shoulder pads and big hair. That's the 80s! I have grey hairs older than the twerps who do these things. The British film and tv industry do such a better job at this sort of thing. Life on Mars and Ashes to Ashes looked and felt like the 70s and 80s; the American LOM looked like someone doing an 70s sketch, without the right props.  |
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 23, 2020 18:29:24 GMT -5
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Post by berkley on Aug 23, 2020 23:35:30 GMT -5
The Cheetah's design doesn't look good at all to me - sort of mangy, not the sleek, smooth coat of fur you'd want in order to evoke the impression of speed and agility. But I don't feel in tune with the cinema Wonder Woman in general - the actress, the writing, the look, the jokes, none of it works for me. Mind you, I'm only going by the previews so it's always possible I would change my mind if I watched the movies from start to finish.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Aug 24, 2020 9:06:23 GMT -5
Was Wonder Woman swinging from lighting bolts with her lasso? Hey, it's magic and it looked cool so I'm going to try and figure that out.
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Post by The Captain on Aug 24, 2020 12:27:23 GMT -5
I'll see it with my daughters since they both liked the first one, but there is absolutely nothing "80s" about this. If you're going to set a movie or show in a particular time period, make it look like that time period.
Stranger Things gets it right. The clothes look like 80s clothes, the hairstyles look like 80s hairstyles, the advertising and stores and packaging on the items in their world look like they came from the 80s. You can't just play a New Order song, make a parachute pants joke, and say "we're set in the 1980s".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2020 12:41:52 GMT -5
I'll see it with my daughters since they both liked the first one, but there is absolutely nothing "80s" about this. If you're going to set a movie or show in a particular time period, make it look like that time period. Stranger Things gets it right. The clothes look like 80s clothes, the hairstyles look like 80s hairstyles, the advertising and stores and packaging on the items in their world look like they came from the 80s. You can't just play a New Order song, make a parachute pants joke, and say "we're set in the 1980s". Of course when I first saw clips and ads for Stranger Things my gut feeling was their only experience of the 80s was watching 80s horror flix well after the fact and trying to imitate that. It wasn't until I actually watched the show that I realized they had gotten it right, so I am not going to judge WW84 in that regard until I actually see the film, because the people who cut trailers are often not the ones who make the film and their goal in the trailer is not to prove their 80s cred but to highlight the cool action scenes and effects to try to get people to put their asses in seats, and in the current COVID environment for theatres, they have to work extra hard to do that, and I am not sure that 80s nostalgia is enough of a selling point to accomplish that at this point, so it's not what the focus on the trailer will be, but was given a nod with a joke at the very end of the trailer. Personally I don't care if they get the 80s right or not, I just want a good Wonder Woman movie and I tend not to go looking for reasons to dislike something I might be inclined to like before I even experience it. -M |
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Post by Batflunkie on Aug 24, 2020 17:32:55 GMT -5
I liked the New Order trailer, better. Should have had a ska band for this one. My favorite part was reading all the youtube comments of all the people that had never heard of New Order before trying to act like total hipsters about it
I hate Blue Monday to be honest, it's so overplayed. True Faith would have been a far better fit
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 24, 2020 22:04:22 GMT -5
I liked the New Order trailer, better. Should have had a ska band for this one. My favorite part was reading all the youtube comments of all the people that had never heard of New Order before trying to act like total hipsters about it
I hate Blue Monday to be honest, it's so overplayed. True Faith would have been a far better fit
I'd have used Yazoo's "Don't Go," especially with the theme being Steve Trevor turning up, alive. I responded to a couple, when that trailer debuted, when they said it was totally 80s. I'm just poking fun at it,not looking for reasons not to see it. It's just a pet peeve of mine that Hollywood no longer seems capable of doing period settings and making them look and feel right; especially one that are only a few decades back. I get that it can be hard to do the 50s or 60s and get things like the fabrics or particular cut of the clothes right (problems in such movies as Catch Me If You Can and Down With Love, not to mention X-Men First Class). If they try to approximate it, then it doesn't usually pull me out of the story. When they barely attempt it, and the story doesn't compensate well enough, then it does pull me out of the story. The US Life on Mars did that. The casting was fine and the acting was good; but, it didn't look or feel like the 70s and the scripts were nowhere near as interesting as the British ones, even the ones they adapted. I wasn't surprised it died quickly. Hate their resolution of the plot, too. On the other hand, what little I saw of Mad Men looked and felt right and it adds so much to quality writing and acting. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 24, 2020 22:10:23 GMT -5
The Cheetah's design doesn't look good at all to me - sort of mangy, not the sleek, smooth coat of fur you'd want in order to evoke the impression of speed and agility. But I don't feel in tune with the cinema Wonder Woman in general - the actress, the writing, the look, the jokes, none of it works for me. Mind you, I'm only going by the previews so it's always possible I would change my mind if I watched the movies from start to finish. I liked about half to 2/3 of the first one. Godot was better than I thought she would be, though I wasn't wild about the costuming and still am not a fan. I give them points for going the Xena road, like Darwyn Cooke did, in New Frontier; but, don't think they captured it as well. I see they are going Alex Ross, here. I never cared much for the whole animal/human hybrid Cheetah, even in the Perez stories. Too many years of the classic idea. Cheetah was always more psychological, to me. Not wild about their apparent take on Max Lord (the Infinity Crisis hatchet job), especially that awful suit; but, I do like Pedro Pascal. |
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Post by Batflunkie on Aug 25, 2020 18:26:52 GMT -5
My favorite part was reading all the youtube comments of all the people that had never heard of New Order before trying to act like total hipsters about it
I hate Blue Monday to be honest, it's so overplayed. True Faith would have been a far better fit
I'd have used Yazoo's "Don't Go," especially with the theme being Steve Trevor turning up, alive. I responded to a couple, when that trailer debuted, when they said it was totally 80s. I'm just poking fun at it,not looking for reasons not to see it. It's just a pet peeve of mine that Hollywood no longer seems capable of doing period settings and making them look and feel right; especially one that are only a few decades back. I get that it can be hard to do the 50s or 60s and get things like the fabrics or particular cut of the clothes right (problems in such movies as Catch Me If You Can and Down With Love, not to mention X-Men First Class). If they try to approximate it, then it doesn't usually pull me out of the story. When they barely attempt it, and the story doesn't compensate well enough, then it does pull me out of the story. The US Life on Mars did that. The casting was fine and the acting was good; but, it didn't look or feel like the 70s and the scripts were nowhere near as interesting as the British ones, even the ones they adapted. I wasn't surprised it died quickly. Hate their resolution of the plot, too. On the other hand, what little I saw of Mad Men looked and felt right and it adds so much to quality writing and acting. "Goodbye Seventies" also by Yazoo would have probably been a better fit
And yes, I agree, period movies are rather hard to do. I just watched Splendor In The Grass recently and aside from all the ragtime music, it might as well have been in the 60's. Still a good movie though
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Post by tarkintino on Aug 28, 2020 23:02:46 GMT -5
The film looks like there's much to enjoy. Oh, and about "not looking like the 80s," the one thing people, or filmmakers always screw up is when they cater to wrongheaded misconceptions about a period, and overdo the pop cultural references as if a period was nothing more than products and stereotyped language and visuals. It was not all New Wave and/or Michael Jackson music, Family Ties, Pac Man, Rubik's cube, and Reagan. There was a regular world in every decade, and films that paint the world like that always feel authentic. Then, there's the opposite feeling: as much as i've enjoyed parts of Stranger Things, that wrongheaded application of 80s stereotypes / cultural visuals beat audiences over the head, particularly in its most recent (third) season, where Magnum P.I. shirts, The Terminator, "the mall," Russians as "the evil empire" and of curse, the Russian Schwarzenegger were dropped on audiences like a ton of bricks. Not as cute as the Duffers thought it would be. On that note, I am hoping WW84 is VERY light on the pop culture references, since I--as one who lived through that period--will be eye-rolling at the film if it's eyebrow deep in the same overemphasized, unrealistic pop culture sold as the norm of all life.
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