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Post by spoon on Oct 31, 2020 15:22:51 GMT -5
This thread is inspired by looking at the Newstand feature at Mike's Amazing World of Comics to see when something I'm reading was published in relation to other comics. Sometimes I have an impression of when a certain comic was published relative to another one, and I'm surprised to find the reality is different. I may be wrong about which comic came first, or I don't realize how much time passed between when two comics were published. For example, I didn't realize how quickly the original X-Men who left the team were on new teams after the All-New, All-Different X-Men started. I knew that Beast had left the X-Men and become blue before Giant-Size X-Men #1 because he wasn't on Krakoa, but I thought he didn't join another team for a while. But it turns out that his first issue with the Avengers (#137) was published the same month as Giant-Size X-Men #1. And because Iceman and Angel insisted they wanted to try out a different lifestyle, I had assumed Champions didn't start for a while after. But it turns out Champions #1 was published the month after X-Men #94. Those examples happened before I was born, but sometimes my memory of events after I started collecting is off, too. I started collecting comics in the middle of Crisis in Infinite Earth, but I was only 6 years old at the time. In my memory, the post-Crisis titles basically launched simultaneously. But from looking at the Newstand, I see the rollout happened over a long period of time. For example, Booster Gold started really early. It was a more serious tone than Booster's depiction in Justice League, but it was also canceled pretty early during the run of JL/JLI. And Flash relaunched quite a while after Crisis ended. Does anyone have similar instances of publication chronology that surprised them or that they think would be surprising to others?
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Post by shaxper on Nov 1, 2020 17:25:31 GMT -5
I'm still amazed THUNDER Agents was published at the end of the Silver Age. It's sorted with my Golden Age books in my collection.
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Post by Confessor on Nov 1, 2020 18:08:51 GMT -5
Without wanting to sound smug or superior, I almost never get confused or mistaken about the release dates of things like films, albums or singles, or comics. I have a really keen sense of historical chronology -- at least as far as 20th Century art or literature goes -- probably because I'm a history fan generally. Dates tend to stick in my mind. I also have a keen sense of the conventions or styles of things like movies, comics or music over the decades. So identifying a piece of work's approximate date is usually pretty easy for me.
Again, I don't mean to sound smug, but that's the truth of it.
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Post by MWGallaher on Nov 1, 2020 20:02:21 GMT -5
I remember being shocked to discover that Johnny Quick outlasted the Golden Age Flash, with Johnny's final Golden Age solo story published in Adventure Comics #207, December 1954, while the Flash's final solo was almost 5 years earlier, in January 1949! Jay Garrick continued to appear in DC comics until Feb/Mar 1951's All-Star Comics #57, but Johnny, the second banana speedster who never had his own comic and only made a few cover appearances, outlasted that significantly.
With Flash debuting in January 1940 and Johnny Quick in September 1941, Johnny had the longer lasting publication history, although he couldn't match the quantity of Flash's stories, who not only headlined his own All-Flash Comics, but had solo strips running in Flash Comics, Comic Cavalacade, and the early issues of All-Star Comics, as well as The Big All-American Comic Book one-shot.
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Post by MDG on Nov 1, 2020 20:12:35 GMT -5
I remember being surprised that Plastic Man was published up through 1956. I thought it ended before the code.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 20:18:06 GMT -5
Sometimes I am surprised at how long it took for certain characters to get their own title. Like Aquaman or Green Arrow.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 1, 2020 20:27:02 GMT -5
Without wanting to sound smug or superior, I almost never get confused or mistaken about the release dates of things like films, albums or singles, or comics. I have a really keen sense of historical chronology -- at least as far as 20th Century art or literature goes -- probably because I'm a history fan generally. Dates tend to stick in my mind. I also have a keen sense of the conventions or styles of things like movies, comics or music over the decades. So identifying a piece of work's approximate date is usually pretty easy for me. Again, I don't mean to sound smug, but that's the truth of it. Hard to sound smug when you are a giant green rabbit! I'm also a history buff and can usually narrow pop culture down to part of decade, if not the year; depends on the subject. Comics books I can get within a year or two; usually closer on stuff in the 80s, when I was collecting and had more steady access. Before that, I can usually get it down to 2 or 3 year timespan, for the 70s, widening as we go back in my lifetime. For Golden Age, I can usually get which half of the decade, and 30s, 40s or 50s. I was looking at the newsstand feature at Mike's Amazing World, while downloading something, and was looking at the 70s, month by month and kind of recalling what I read newish then, vs later. I didn't really have much access to comics until the latter half of the 70s, with my own money and mostly borrowed friend's comics, in the first half, apart from a few I received as gifts or skimmed at a newsstand. Music I'm a lot looser, apart from 80s New Wave (and other 80s music), where I can get it much more accurately. Books as well, though after 20 years selling books, timeframe of release can kind of blend together, unless it was very significant, like the 4th Harry Potter, which is the first one we had a midnight release party. I can usually get decade and portion of decade, though it varies by genre. For me, for things in my lifetime, it's usually a matter of associating it with personal experiences. For instance, I can pinpoint comics of the 80s by recalling where I was in college, when they came out (or high school, for the early 80s). After that, it is recalling in my professional career and what was going on when something came out. For instance, I know that the Man of Steel Superman revamp came out in the summer of 1986, because I saw the first couple of issues when I got home from my Midshipman Training Cruise and went into local comic shops, in St Louis to look for comics. I got a subscription going, when I got back to school, in August and there was a new comic shop, right off campus. I can pinpoint The Greatest Batman Stories Ever Told hardcover to 1988, since I found it at a comic shop in Athens, GA, while I was attending the US Navy Supply Corps School, after receiving my commission. That was also the same shop where I saw my first issue of The Tick (though I had a poster of him, which I received with some back issues I mail ordered from New England Comics). I'm sometimes surprised by the month that something came out, as I occasionally think it was later or earlier in the year, until I look at the actual release date.
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Post by spoon on Nov 1, 2020 21:23:28 GMT -5
Sometimes I am surprised at how long it took for certain characters to get their own title. Like Aquaman or Green Arrow. Yeah, that's something that surprised me. For Green Arrow, wasn't his first title as solo title character a 1980s mini-series? I mean, if go strictly solo and exclude when he was co-star in Green Lantern-Green Arrow. At other times he was a back-up or a feature in an anthology.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 22:00:56 GMT -5
Sometimes I am surprised at how long it took for certain characters to get their own title. Like Aquaman or Green Arrow. Yeah, that's something that surprised me. For Green Arrow, wasn't his first title as solo title character a 1980s mini-series? I mean, if go strictly solo and exclude when he was co-star in Green Lantern-Green Arrow. At other times he was a back-up or a feature in an anthology. 1983.
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Post by spoon on Nov 1, 2020 22:15:11 GMT -5
I remember being shocked to discover that Johnny Quick outlasted the Golden Age Flash, with Johnny's final Golden Age solo story published in Adventure Comics #207, December 1954, while the Flash's final solo was almost 5 years earlier, in January 1949! Jay Garrick continued to appear in DC comics until Feb/Mar 1951's All-Star Comics #57, but Johnny, the second banana speedster who never had his own comic and only made a few cover appearances, outlasted that significantly. With Flash debuting in January 1940 and Johnny Quick in September 1941, Johnny had the longer lasting publication history, although he couldn't match the quantity of Flash's stories, who not only headlined his own All-Flash Comics, but had solo strips running in Flash Comics, Comic Cavalacade, and the early issues of All-Star Comics, as well as The Big All-American Comic Book one-shot. So when Barry Allen first appeared, they may have been some young comics readers who knew of Johnny Quick, but not Jay Garrick.
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Post by spoon on Nov 1, 2020 22:21:41 GMT -5
A gap in publication history that surprised me was the Riddler (although this is actually one that I learned about many years back). I had assumed that the core members of Batman's rogues gallery became regulars after they were introduced. It was a surprise to learn that after just appearance in the 1940s, the Riddler was put in mothballs for over 15 years. I also read recently (maybe in one of shaxper's Batman threads) that a period over several years in the 1970s when Riddler and a bunch of other classic Batman rogues all barely ever appeared.
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Post by beccabear67 on Nov 1, 2020 23:00:04 GMT -5
When I got a copy of My Greatest Adventure #80 (first Doom Patrol) I really did a double-take that it was dated June 1963. Three weirdly powered characters lead by another in a wheel-chair, and three months before five weirdly powered characters also led by someone in a wheel-chair 'changed comics forever'. Getting an X-Men #1 would've taken at least $180, while the first Doom Patrol comic was barely more that 10% of that then (I'd paid $20).
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Post by chadwilliam on Nov 2, 2020 1:03:12 GMT -5
A gap in publication history that surprised me was the Riddler (although this is actually one that I learned about many years back). I had assumed that the core members of Batman's rogues gallery became regulars after they were introduced. It was a surprise to learn that after just appearance in the 1940s, the Riddler was put in mothballs for over 15 years. I also read recently (maybe in one of shaxper's Batman threads) that a period over several years in the 1970s when Riddler and a bunch of other classic Batman rogues all barely ever appeared. Quite a number of Bat-villains were seemingly forgotten after making a couple of appearances. The Riddler showed up twice in 1948 and wasn't used again until 1965. The Scarecrow debuted in 1941, reappeared in 1943, and then wasn't used again until 1967. Poison Ivy made two separate outings in back to back issues of Batman (well, they would have been back to back had a Giant issue not gotten in the way) and then appeared only sporadically here and there and even then, those appearances were in titles outside of the Batman family (ie. Lois Lane, JLA, Secret Society of Supervillains). Two-Face made one appearance in an issue of World's Finest (and even then, he was being impersonated by Batman) between 1954 and 1971, The Penguin vanished after 1956 and didn't reappear until 1963, and even The Joker took a hiatus between Dec. 1969 and Sept. 1973.
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Post by chadwilliam on Nov 2, 2020 1:13:39 GMT -5
Supergirl, Lori Lemaris, Metallo, and Bat-Mite all appeared for the first time in March, 1959.
Given how limited Superman's extended family of friends and foes were for the longest time, it's impressive you get three key additions in the same month.
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Post by foxley on Nov 2, 2020 2:44:21 GMT -5
It always surprises me that DC was producing a western book as intelligent and 'adult' (if you'll pardon the expression) as Bat Lash while Marvel still churning out endless iterations of their 'Fill-in-the-Blank' Kids.
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