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Post by MDG on Dec 16, 2020 15:09:58 GMT -5
I'd say that comic strips are an entirely different matter. That was truly the Golden Age of adventure strips in the true sense of the phrase. I used to find it weird that I loved adventure strips from the 30's and 40's but hated almost all full size comics from the same period but looking at it now I think it's the space constraints imposed by the strips themselves that make them read much smoother. When you only have so much space available to you then you have to be much more economical with your words and must then trust the art to convey much more of the story which is much more modern concept when it comes to comic books. Doubly so, I used to think it was weird that those early Superman stories in Action Comics were the exception to the rule until I learned that the reason probably had a lot to do with the fact that those stories actually started their lives out as strips. A lot of this had to do with how the industry grew. Newspaper strip creators started out on staff and later were paid very well by syndicates, paid enough to hire models, writers, assistants, etc.
Comic book artists were getting paid by the page (poorly), and making things up as they went along. And the writers often came from the pulps where they were paid by the word, so tended to get a little purple with the prose.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 16, 2020 15:11:07 GMT -5
I used to find it weird that I loved adventure strips from the 30's and 40's but hated almost all full size comics from the same period but looking at it now I think it's the space constraints imposed by the strips themselves that make them read much smoother. When you only have so much space available to you then you have to be much more economical with your words and must then trust the art to convey much more of the story which is much more modern concept when it comes to comic books. Doubly so, I used to think it was weird that those early Superman stories in Action Comics were the exception to the rule until I learned that the reason probably had a lot to do with the fact that those stories actually started their lives out as strips. A lot of this had to do with how the industry grew. Newspaper strip creators started out on staff and later were paid very well by syndicates, paid enough to hire models, writers, assistants, etc.
Comic book artists were getting paid by the page (poorly), and making things up as they went along. And the writers often came from the pulps where they were paid by the word, so tended to get a little purple with the prose.
I knew the first part, but that second one is new and totally makes sense!
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Dec 16, 2020 21:55:44 GMT -5
10. Brian Bendis
New Avengers, Daredevil, and ALIAS (and so much more) I know his work can be quite divisive but I just dont get why. His dialogue makes his books like no other to me. As someone else wrote he seems like our version of Quentin Tarantino and Im real fine with that. Give me lots of snappy patter any day. As for the works themselves I loved his Avengers work, taking a book that had floundered for years and turning it on its head. Other than some of Busieks output the Avengers were far from Mighty(IMO). Im good with Spidey being there, and liked the street level characters getting a chance to strut their stuff. Theyre way more interesting than the overpowered originals anyway. Ive just finished rereading his Daredevil run(through the average Brubaker afterwards) and was again blown away. Dire straits, Inhumanity, depths plumbed and Kingpin kingpinning, I loved it all, certainly the best 'devil since Frank went Batty.
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Post by MWGallaher on Dec 17, 2020 6:39:45 GMT -5
10. John Stanleybecause I love his work on Little Lulu, Tubby, and Nancy...and the legendary horror classic "The Legend of Dread End". This may be pushing the rules a tad, since Stanley evidently developed many or most of his scripts as sketches, but that's behind the scenes stuff that many writers, such as Jim Shooter, have done. I don't think Stanley touched the art boards from which the comics were printed, leaving them most notably to Irving Tripp. In the early 90's, when my main comics dealer tried to convince me I'd love the Little Lulu hardcover reprints from Another Rainbow, I was doubtful. These simple looking kiddie comics were not my cup of tea. But I didn't want to look unsophisticated enough to be unable to appreciate them if they really were "some of the best comics ever published", so I gave them a fair shot... ...and was blown away. The funniest, charming, addictive comics I could ever have dreamed of, every single story was worth reading. Among my favorite scripters, not a one of them has as high a batting average as John Stanley. I adored Tubby's obliviousness, his unstoppable determination (until the point when he would abruptly lose interest!), Lulu's ingenuity, the trips into fantasy, the transformation of Bushmiller's beloved Nancy and Sluggo into different but just as beloved comic book version...heck, I even read all the text pages in the Lulu reprints or the back issues I'd pick up!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 17, 2020 13:45:45 GMT -5
10. John Stanleybecause I love his work on []Little Lulu I never even thought of Stanley. Maybe because I was under the, apparently false, belief that he drew most of the books he wrote. I really do love his work on Lulu, Tubby, Nancy, etc. Shame on me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2020 2:54:11 GMT -5
10. Mark Waid The Flash, Kingdom Come When I got back into comic books as a full time hobby, I did everything I could to make up for lost time. I would buy a lot of random comics, trying to see what I liked in my late teens. I bought sets of story arcs as trade paperbacks weren’t nearly as abundant as they are now. One of those was the whole set of the “Dead Heat” storyline from The Flash. I liked it just fine but not enough to start picking up Flash yet. I would pick up another issue when it crossed over with Green Lantern and Green Arrow with #135 but that was just a one off. It would be all the way until #152 before I added it to my pull list. By that time Mark Waid was co-writing the book but by the next comic-con, my want list was filled with issues of The Flash, as I worked on filling in the entire Mark Waid run all the way back to #62. It took some time, but eventually I got it completed and read the whole thing. And even though he has worked on the character one and off since, I have pretty much bought every Flash series since Volume 2 #152. I was lucky that I had gone to the Comic Shoppe when I did. I spotted Kingdom Come #1 on the shelf and got a copy. I didn’t have a pull list and was still some time away from getting one. I bought randomly but ended up getting all 4 issues and it remains a favorite story of mine. I think it was perfect timing that helped rekindle my childhood love of DC Comics in particular. Waid’s deep knowledge of comics history always made me want to dig into older stories and reach for part of the larger universe. He perfected the soap opera aspects that always made you want to come back to the characters month after month.
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 18, 2020 18:08:27 GMT -5
10. Robert Kanigher DC war comics Metal Men Tomahawk And many others Yeah, I know, I know. Formulaic. Repetitive. (Flashes are "white-hot." Bullets are "poured into every opening on the panzer." "Nothin's ever easy in Easy."))Leans so much on irony that it’s ironic when he doesn’t employ it. A touch of hyperbole hear and there: ”The most explosive battle tale ever to rip the war apart!” All true. Guilty as charged. But give the guy a break. He wrote nearly 3,000 stories and edited over a thousand issues. He had to repeat himself or his remaining creative cells would have been cinders. But hey… he co-created the Silver Age Flash, wrote hundreds of war stories, whipped up the Metal Men over a weekend, broke the mold with Enemy Ace, and even edited and wrote Wonder Woman, a thankless task which must have been the payoff of some bad karma he engendered in a former life. However…. When I was young and untutored in the ways of comics and combat, DC war comics hit me like a .45 slug spangin’ off my helmet. To me, it was a surprise when the new guy in Easy who was scared to begin with turned out to be the guy who died saving Bulldozer’s life on the last page. I hadn’t been with Sgt. Rock the dozen other times a dead man’s finger had pulled the trigger on the bazooka to destroy a Panzer and save the combat-happy Joes of Easy. Or the 20 times that Easy had thought that without Rock, they’d collapse, but then, when they thought that Rock had been killed, didn’t collapse after all. And then they found Rock right after they hadn’t collapsed. Or the innumerable times that the whole company was going to be wiped out, when we were told that “Easy’s Had It ( OAAW 103) or it was “The End of Easy ( OAAW 101), or there was “No Exit for Easy” ( OAAW 100), or in case you hadn’t heard, it was “The End of Easy Company ( OAAW 126). None of that mattered, just as continuity didn’t matter in the world of Robert Kanigher. What you had to do as you started to read more and more of these tales of Rock, the Haunted Tank, Gunner and Sarge, Johnny Cloud, Mlle. Marie and even Hans Von Hammer, was that these were really one-offs. Different characters given the same names from story to story. Nobody could have survived the steady dose of privation, injury, and hand-to-hand combat that Rock and his guys did. Which is probably why Kanigher always told the fans that Rock was killed with the last bullet fired in the war. Rock didn‘t exist outside the confines of the hellish world in which he lived. Kanigher had a flair for snappy dialogue that melded the simplicity of a Hemingway and the purply flourishes of Mickey Spillane. His stories moved the way a lot of them don’t. You were on a gritty, dirty, violent E-ticket ride when you signed up for a Kanigher Enemy Ace or Sgt. Rock. And yes, of course the brilliant Kubert or Heath art was a huge part of the appeal. But the story itself wasn’t saved by the art, but enhanced. And more often than you might think, Kanigher hit the narrative nail on the head. Here’s Rock telling us how it looked as he watched Jackie Johnson land a powerhouse left on the jaw of the Nazi champ in the classic “What’s the Color of Your Blood?” ( OAAW 160). Or this, as Rock and Easy take cover in a graveyard: “I didn’t know whether I was asleep…or dreamin’ with one eye open… as a whinin’ breeze tugged a hole in the fog…” “A scream tore from deep inside the Nazi champion’s throat as Jackie hit him with a fist that must have felt as if it was wrapped around with all the iron chains that had tortured oppressed people all over the world…” And here's a typical Kanigher page that perfectly captures the feel of Rock's toughness and concern for his men. Kanigher was a story-machine, which is why even if the story of how he created and wrote the first Metal Men story over a weekend isn’t true, it doesn’t matter, because it definitely could have been. Just as all the stories he told in the war comics could have been at least a little true because Kanigher made them feel so real. (I never read Wonder Woman, and I’m sorry he apparently made such a spectacle of it. But I can only say that, judging by the covers, WW looked like it was a hoot under Kanigher’s guidance.) BTW, try the first dozen or so of the old Metal Men if you want to see how much fun a super-team can be. Kanigher just had pure, plain fun with that series, and it was irresistible. No surprise that for a few years there, it was among DC’s biggest sellers. And I will always speak up on behalf of Kanigher’s late 60’s-early 70s run on Tomahawk and Son of. Enlightened, hard-edged stories in a comic that was off in its own little corner of the DC Universe. Here's a great Kanigher moment that might as well have been a page from James Jones or Erich-Maria Remarque...
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 23, 2020 19:07:00 GMT -5
I've read a ton of Golden Age Slam Bradley stories. The strip is charmless, witless crap through and through. But that's not what this post is about. No, it's about 10. Steve Gerber Funnily enough, I didn't really appreciate Gerber at the time I was reading his work in the '70s. I thought he was self-indulgent, quirky for quirky's sake, even though I enjoyed his Defenders and Howard runs. But when I embarked on my huge Marvel indexing project a decade or so ago and re-read his work, I found a new appreciation for his unique authorial sensibilities. Despite a handful of clunkers (he was all wrong for Captain America, and his Daredevil and Sub-Mariner work is uninspired), I found Steve's writing witty, iconoclastic, occasionally heartbreaking, and thoroughly entertaining. Probably his best work is on Tales of the Zombie, but I also dig Man-Thing, Omega, Guardians of the Galaxy, The Living Mummy, Son of Satan, and the aforementioned HtD and Defenders. Cei-U! I summon "The Kid's Night Out"!
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Post by Calamas on Dec 24, 2020 23:08:07 GMT -5
David V. ReedThere is an age old question when it comes to writing: what comes first, plot or character? The answer of course is: whatever works for you. If the subject is an art form, any art form, there is no one way. As a reader I prefer a healthy dose of both, leaning slightly towards character. But the presence of both is not a requirement. If the characters are credible, I can enjoy plot-based stories just fine. That was where David V. Reed lived. I am unfamiliar with his golden age work and truth-to-tell have no interest in reading it. But when he returned comics in the mid-70s, that’s the work I love. Reed was an A to Z writer. He would set up a problem and then go from point to point until everything was explained. Sometimes there was ingenuity involved, as in “Hang the Batman” (not surprisingly as involved a deceased mystery writer), but for the most part the plot twists were more plot points than major reveals. His greatest work is “Where Were You on the Night Batman Was Killed.” Back 2014 when we did individual issues I picked Part 4 (how could I not pick the solution, being a lifelong mystery fan) and someone else picked the set-up (equally as valid, plus a great Jim Aparo cover). Reed turned the Bat-World upside down. The villains convened a court of crime in order to prove who was NOT guilty of killing the Batman. And the conclusion had an important emotional moment which is not out of character (which often happens with Batman) and was poignant. I hadn’t remembered it when I wrote about it six years ago. I’ve since reread that 4-parter. My other favorite beside the two discussed above is “Enter the Ragman.” In fact, Batman and Ragman’s dead-of-night meeting, as rendered by Michael Golden, is one of the most spectacular pieces of sequential art ever produced. Maybe not as a standalone but easily within the context of Reed’s script. It’s why David V. Reed regularly ended up at the top of my comic stack.
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Post by berkley on Dec 28, 2020 3:04:28 GMT -5
10. Pierre Christin
Another 'recency bias' pick, possibly, but Christin has provided some of the most satisfying comics reading I've done over the last three or four years, specifically with artist Jean-Claude Mézières on the Valérian and Laureline series, and with Enki Bilal on the two outstanding Fins de siècle stories, Partie de Chasse and Les Phalanges de l'Ordre noir. Christin can write with the lightest of touches, as in Valérian, or in a much heavier, denser tone, as in Fins de siècle, but always with a wealth of ideas and invention,nd an assured, polished craftmanship. He's one of the writers I most look forward to readimg more of in the future, e.g. his other works with Bilal and his many callaborations with Annie Goetzinger, and that's what gets his name on my list of 12 this year.
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Post by Rob Allen on Dec 28, 2020 13:57:12 GMT -5
10. Len Wein
For Swamp Thing and good runs on Hulk & Spider-Man.
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Post by Calamas on Jan 3, 2021 20:14:15 GMT -5
#10 Chuck DixonLeaving out things he wrote that have nothing to do with comics, I loves me some Chuck Dixon. Not his Punisher stuff, as I loathe the character. His Batman is pretty good and he created Bane, but, no, not because of that or Tim Drake. He gave us the Birds of Prey; but, no, not that. I love Chuck Dixon for Skywolf. Who, I hear some of you ask? The Hillman aviation comic hero, featured as a back-up in Air Fighters and Airboy comics. In 1986, Eclipse Comics revived the public domain Air Fighters and Chuck Dixon soon took over the writing, from Tim Truman. Airboy was great, by itself; but, Skywolf was beyond great.....it was classic! In Chuck's hands, aided by a cast of great, but mostly unsung artists, Skywolf was a trip through the United States' post-WW2 history, from flying air support to the Nationalist Chinese, during the Chinese Civil War to flying F-86s in combat against Migs, in Korea, to being at Dien Bien Phu, in Vietnam. Skywolf took us through Occupied Japan, gangland Hawaii, the KKK in Texas, 50s Hollywood, the Himalayas, Saudi Arabia and more, in classic adventures that harkened back to the great adventure strips of the 30s and 40s, like Milton Caniff's Terry & the Pirates and Steve Canyon, or Frank Robbins' Johnny Hazard. However, Chuck used that template to highlight the history of this country you won't learn in school, like the CIAs involvement in Guatemala, to prop up the interests of the United Fruit Company or the seemier side of Hollywood, where a little creative theft is considered part of the business and Communist witch hunts destroyed careers. All of this from a guy who was pretty conservative, with a big C, writing for an editor who was deeply liberal, with a capital L. Politics were really only there in the morality of things: weaselly bureaucrats who would sell out an innocent man for political alliances or men of the cloth who use their position to incite hatred and murder. Skywolf was a two-fisted, John Wayne kind of guy, caught in a Jimmy Stewart world, as written by Dalton Trumbo. Chuck even dabbled with doomed romance, as Skywolf falls into the arms of Riot O'Hara, a damaged female pilot who has lost one love and finds herself alone and vulnerable, with a man who is alone and vulnerable and they reach out to one another. They try to make it the American dream and fail miserably. Chuck could do the wild action, the colorful characters; but, he made them real, flawed human beings. Apologies. Because I was late posting my picks, I’m even later with some of my reactions. But your analysis of Chuck Dixon mirrors my own. I loved all his Eclipse work with the Airboy Family. While I still liked most of what he produced at DC, I felt it was watered down compared his early work. I glad someone else remembered how great he was at Eclipse.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 3, 2021 20:28:42 GMT -5
#10 Chuck DixonLeaving out things he wrote that have nothing to do with comics, I loves me some Chuck Dixon. Not his Punisher stuff, as I loathe the character. His Batman is pretty good and he created Bane, but, no, not because of that or Tim Drake. He gave us the Birds of Prey; but, no, not that. I love Chuck Dixon for Skywolf. Who, I hear some of you ask? The Hillman aviation comic hero, featured as a back-up in Air Fighters and Airboy comics. In 1986, Eclipse Comics revived the public domain Air Fighters and Chuck Dixon soon took over the writing, from Tim Truman. Airboy was great, by itself; but, Skywolf was beyond great.....it was classic! In Chuck's hands, aided by a cast of great, but mostly unsung artists, Skywolf was a trip through the United States' post-WW2 history, from flying air support to the Nationalist Chinese, during the Chinese Civil War to flying F-86s in combat against Migs, in Korea, to being at Dien Bien Phu, in Vietnam. Skywolf took us through Occupied Japan, gangland Hawaii, the KKK in Texas, 50s Hollywood, the Himalayas, Saudi Arabia and more, in classic adventures that harkened back to the great adventure strips of the 30s and 40s, like Milton Caniff's Terry & the Pirates and Steve Canyon, or Frank Robbins' Johnny Hazard. However, Chuck used that template to highlight the history of this country you won't learn in school, like the CIAs involvement in Guatemala, to prop up the interests of the United Fruit Company or the seemier side of Hollywood, where a little creative theft is considered part of the business and Communist witch hunts destroyed careers. All of this from a guy who was pretty conservative, with a big C, writing for an editor who was deeply liberal, with a capital L. Politics were really only there in the morality of things: weaselly bureaucrats who would sell out an innocent man for political alliances or men of the cloth who use their position to incite hatred and murder. Skywolf was a two-fisted, John Wayne kind of guy, caught in a Jimmy Stewart world, as written by Dalton Trumbo. Chuck even dabbled with doomed romance, as Skywolf falls into the arms of Riot O'Hara, a damaged female pilot who has lost one love and finds herself alone and vulnerable, with a man who is alone and vulnerable and they reach out to one another. They try to make it the American dream and fail miserably. Chuck could do the wild action, the colorful characters; but, he made them real, flawed human beings. Apologies. Because I was late posting my picks, I’m even later with some of my reactions. But your analysis of Chuck Dixon mirrors my own. I loved all his Eclipse work with the Airboy Family. While I still liked most of what he produced at DC, I felt it was watered down compared his early work. I glad someone else remembered how great he was at Eclipse. I think Chuck had greater freedom (and ambition) at Eclipse, as he wasn't dealing with flagship characters, or a corporate structure. he basically answered to Tim Truman and cat yronwode, who pretty much gave him his head, for a while (he and cat soon ended up at odds, over Airboy). He's also hungry to make a name for himself and nothing beats that early hunger in a writer or artist. They are willing to take chances, experiment and create in a frenzy. Once they are established, they get caught in a cycle of trying to produce their next big thing, while maintaining their audience. they start to become conservative, afraid of taking chances, lest they go wrong. you see it in prose fiction and you see it in comic books. very few writers end up being as challenging later in their career as they were earlier. I would point to Alan Moore as one who probably managed it more than most. Chuck was good on Evangeline; but, you could also see him borrowing things more. I think he really developed his voice on the Air Fighters books, to the point that he was one of the three main voices at Eclipse (the others being Tim Truman and Alan Moore, though Bruce Jones and Mark Evanier would also be in contention, to a lesser extent). I certainly believe the Eclipse work got him work at DC, which led to Batman, not to mention The Punisher, at Marvel. Similarly, Grimjack helped get John Ostrander's foot in the door at DC, and also elevated Tim Truman's profile.
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