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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 21, 2020 8:16:35 GMT -5
Your genial host has finally returned but, given that I've had no time in the last two weeks to write up my entries and given my current energy levels, don't expect anything too sophisticated. And now, without further ado:
4. Kurt Busiek
Although Busiek and I have interacted on multiple occasions (he jokingly refers to me as "The Other Kurt"), that's not why he ranks so high on my list. Nor is it his skill as a plotter or his deep knowledge of Marvel and DC history that earns him the #4 spot. Nobody in mainstream comics expresses characterization through dialogue better than Busiek and nobody incorporates exposition more smoothly. His stellar run on The Avengers (including the JLA/Avengers mini-series) is the perfect example of these attributes. But if you want to really see him at his best, I recommend the graphic novel The Wizard's Tale, a wonderful take on the fantasy genre.
Cei-U! I summon the good stuff!
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Post by brutalis on Dec 21, 2020 8:50:17 GMT -5
#4-Larry Hama
I have 2 words for ya....YO JOE! Yep, I was an avid GI Joe comic book reader. And you can bet I wasn't alone. The toes were cool, the cartoon was fun but Hama gave a vital extra something special for us readers. He kept it "real" amidst the science fiction and fantasy in little ways that perhaps we readers didn't immediately notice. All of the wilder aspects were the requisite toy buy in but it was the characters and the action/adventure that hooked us.
Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow locked in their seemingly eternal ninja battle. Zartan and his Dreadnoks munching down on chocolate donuts and grape soda as they terrorized on their motorcycles. Duke the atypical soldier dedicated to stopping the evil forces of Cobra. Scarlet the feisty red head kicking butt better than most of the men on the team. Destro and Baroness with their romantic ballet of destruction. Cobra Commander, the used car salesman intent on his empire to the point of losing his son Billy. An ever changing cast each year as new figures emerged on store shelves with a core team of good/evil in combat.
Simple, basic child roleplay with toys that we all grew up doing. Yet Hama made it more than that. Codes of honor, martial arts mystery, military history, diversity long before it was a "thing", death, maiming, crippling, romance and more in a comic book format that kids and adults enjoyed. It was real in the sense of presenting aspects of life through fantastic adventure. Teaching and showing the eternal moralistic fight of good versus evil. That the good guys don't always win the battle but they never give up.
Larry Hama captured magic in a bottle and did it so well that years after Marvel let the Joe license go, IDW asked him to pick up where he left off. And it sells! When every few years some "hot new idea" is put out there to update or make the Joe's new or different, there remains the history and joy of Larry Hama's GI JOE...
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Post by DubipR on Dec 21, 2020 8:58:08 GMT -5
Glad to hear you're alright Kurt. Again, well wishes on a healthy recovery. And now.... #4- Mark Waid Selected works: The Flash (vol.2), Captain America, Daredevil, Kingdom Come, Ka-Zar, Archie Mark Waid is one of those writers that nails nostalgia and makes it new and fresh. I first encountered his work on Flash. While I'm not the hugest Flash fan back then, Waid's take on Wally West was a shot of fresh air. Like Hal Jordan, I've always found Barry Allen a bit stiff. Wally was brash and loose, which made Waid's run so well. He was learning the hard way, failure after failure but figuring it all out, but also seeing that the Flash legacy means something rather than being a hero. Waid' knowledge of the Flash history is so well researched, the cast of speedsters during his run made it some of the best hero comics in the 90s. Also introducing new characters, like Bart Allen (Impulse) to expand the Speed Force mythos. And the lineup of artists he had was some of the best young talent that became huge and popular in comics. Waid's writing at DC is so diverse; from Legion to Superman to JLA. He's been on the top tier books or took middle-tier books into must read books. Kingdom Come has been mentioned by others that posted their Waid selection; I'll leave it here just to say read the series. Now we turn to Waid at Marvel. I love love LOVE all of his Captain America runs. Sadly his short-live run of "Operation Rebirth" with newcomer Ron Garney is one of the best takes on Steve Rogers. Then Heroes Reborn came and he was off the book. Enter Heroes Return, Waid and Garney come back with a new take of Captain America and it was action packed; challenging how the world sees Captain America. Then he does it again in the 2018 with Capt. At the same time, he takes Daredevil into a direction I enjoyed... twice! With Paolo Rivera, Javier Pulido and Chris Samnee, The Man Without Fear became the best Marvel title. He's writer I love reading; older works hold up for me. Newer works are fresh and imaginative. Also, one of the nicest people around. .
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 21, 2020 9:14:53 GMT -5
Glad you're back Kurt! And on the Ninth day of Classic Comics Christmas I unto thee... Grant MorrisonWith Batman's influence being so heavy on my list Grant's inclusion here probably comes as no surprise to anyone, though perhaps having him top out at fourth place may be. Although I love nearly all of his work, his run on Batman is probably my favorite and I mean that not only in the sense that it's my favorite Grant Morrison book but also in the sense that it's my favorite run on Batman and it's pretty high on my list of favorite comics period. And the reason for that high estimation is simple: escapism. At the end of the day, if you really pressed me for why I still enjoy stories about steroid junkies dressed in funny looking underwear duking it out escapism would be the long and the short of it. Superheroes were a big part of my childhood, so when I need to unwind superhero stories represent that warm, comfortable part of my brain and books that take me there are all the salve I need after a long day and as a writer Morrison just seems to get that. His Batman stories are loud and fast and aren't afraid to be colorful and they have that manic energy we all had as kids hopped up on sugared cereal after running outside after a Saturday morning spent watching cartoons. It's full of all those crazy ideas you'd think up playing Batman on the play ground, and yeah the connections and plotting probably doesn't make much logical sense than those adventures you acted out then either but sometimes when the question is " Why does that happen that way?" the answer can be "Because it's cool and fun." and you can still be satisfied.
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Post by MDG on Dec 21, 2020 10:21:30 GMT -5
Archie GoodwinAnother master of the short story, Goodwin's work for the early Warren books was always entertaining. He knew how to write for comics and for maximum effect. And within the "horror" genre, he was able to mix it up: contemporary, westerns, sci-fi, S&S, fantasy. Also, as editor of a memorable run of Detective, his Manhunter gave a still-new Walt Simonson a great showcase to show what he could do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2020 10:33:28 GMT -5
#4 - David Michelinie(Before I type, let me say that my autocorrect is forever trying to change Michelinie into something else, so if any spellings seem inconsistent, blame my iPad). My favourite Spider-Man writer of the 90s. How do you possibly do a worthy sequel to the original Sinister Six story? Well, you simply call yourself David Michelinie - and do that very thing. If you ask me, the Sinister Six sequel (“Return of the Sinister Six”) is a rare case of a sequel being as good as the original. Octopus was pure, unadulterated evil in that story! I have enjoyed so many of his runs, not just Spider-Man. It’s always solid. I can recount so much dialogue of his. And he always left me wanting more. As much as I enjoyed “Revenge of the Sinister Six” (written and pencilled by Erik Larsen), and that too is a worthy sequel, I wonder about what it might have been like if Michelinie had written it. As with so many of my choices, his name became a “quality assurance sticker” for any comic associated with him. And I am still trying to track down a lot of his work. I can’t seem to find a Michelinie panel via Google images (as ever, thanks for nothing), at least not a good one. So here’s the cover of a comic he wrote:
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2020 10:36:05 GMT -5
On the ninth day of Christmas Santa brought to me the works of Alejandro Jodorowsky... Works that garnered him favorite status: The Incal, The Metabarons, The Technopriests, Screaming Planet, The White Lama, Madwoman of the Sacred Heart What I like about his work: Discovering the Incal at university was a revelation, a mind-bending and mind-blowing experience. It opened up a whole new world of comics for me and lead me on a journey of discovery, and Jodo was my spirit-guide. Jodo's the kind of big idea guy that other big idea guys either take inspiration from or envy. His worlds are both believable and surreal, his characters resonate as human and relatable in some sense no matter how alien, and while exploring the wide weird universe he also delves deeply into the human condition. His work is both thought-provoking and entertaining, and there is something new to discover or something to delight in every offering from his greatest to his least. A Jodo story is always worth the price of admission. Single work I would recommend if you are unfamiliar with Jodo's oeuvre: My first answer would be the documentary Jodorowsky's Dune as that gives incredible insights to his work and creative process, but since this is a comic event. I'll recommend comics, and there are two possible starting points, the better would be the Screaming Planet collection to get a wide breadth of Jodo short stories with several collaborators to give a taste of the breadth of his work while offering a complete whole. There's a 2016 edition, but the works themselves are from the eligible time period. -M The second would be one of the FCBD offerings by Humanoid for the Metabarons, The Incal or whatever to sample and get a inexpensive glimpse at some of Jodo's best before diving in full tilt.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 21, 2020 11:19:39 GMT -5
4. Garth Ennis (Preacher, Hellblazer, Hitman, war comics) People love to slag on Ennis for his excesses. And you can do that with Crossed. And maybe The Boys. And Preacher, if you don't actually read it. And people complain that Ennis hates super-heroes (like that's a bad thing), which you might believe if you've never read Hitman. But really, Ennis suffers from his success and from the fact that most Americans seem to be pathologically incapable of understanding British (yes I know he's from Northern Ireland) working class humor and politics. Ennis is here because his run on Hellblazer is absolutely definitive. And Kit Ryan may well be one of the best characters ever. Because Preacher has more to say about the United States and the American psyche than all but a handful of great American novels. Because Hitman is just a damn fine superhero book. Because he is one of the very best writers of war comics ever. And that's more than enough reason. Expletive in the spoiler. I can never make these things work right. {Spoiler}
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Post by shaxper on Dec 21, 2020 11:21:42 GMT -5
It's not Christmas without the Classic Comics Christmas, and it's not the Classic Comics Christmas without Cei-U!. So very good to have you back! 4. Neil Gaiman Primarily selected for Sandman and "Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader?" (1989-2009) Seriously, what can I say about Gaiman that someone else here isn't going to say better? Sandman is just...brilliant. A hundred years from now, most “hot” literary authors of today will be out of print and forgotten by all but a few, but I'm convinced Gaiman will be an author who endures the ages. He has such a deep love for imagination and storytelling. Every time he puts pen to paper, something magical happens. Additionally, his “Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader” is a favorite Batman story of mine and always always makes me shed tears.
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 21, 2020 11:28:22 GMT -5
Kurt!!! Cei-U! 4. J.M. DeMatteis Sadie: Listen to me, my baby-- it's my time-- and that's all there is to it. Beatrice: I-- I think I understand, Mother. But it doesn't seem right. It doesn't seem fair. Sadie: Of course it's fair. What could be fairer? I've known the innocence of youth-- the warmth of a loving family-- the grief of the... last goodbye-- But I see now-- more clearly than ever-- that this is not a time for grief-- it's a time for reaching out-- for sharing the lifetime of love in our hearts-- and-- moving-- on-- Gargoyle: She's gone. --"Time, Run Like a Freight Train...", Marvel Team-Up #119, Marvel, 1982 Moonshadow: I find myself at something of a loss here; for you see, I am approaching the finale of my tale-- and it is a finale that must be classified... for want of a better word... as mystical. Now here is my problem: the transcendent experience, when translated into words... well, frankly, it doesn't translate. One is left with a parade of clichés and little more. But if this clumsy exercise in autobiography is to have any meaning, I must make the attempt-- and yet I know that, in so doing, I will be provoking a certain segment of my audience. "You are being cryptic!" They'll no doubt cry. "You are being vague!" Worse-- they will accuse me of pretention, a truly despicable crime. Still, it is my tale... and I must tell it in my own way: and so I can only beg those of you who will be disappointed or perplexed or perhaps even angered by what follows-- to have patience with a foolish old man-- and to forgive him for trying... so desperately!... to communicate a secret-- that each and every one of you-- already knows. --"With Joy to Hear", Moonshadow #12, Marvel, 1987 Mary Jane Watson-Parker: Harry, now. I can't believe it. Peter Parker: No... not Harry. The. Green. Goblin! --"The Osborn Legacy", Spectacular Spider-Man #189, Marvel, 1992 Also recommended: Defenders, Captain America, Brooklyn Dreams, Abadazad
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Post by Crimebuster on Dec 21, 2020 11:31:40 GMT -5
4. Mark GruenwaldGruenwald's incredibly long Captain America run certainly had its ups and downs, but on the whole, I love it. The replacement Cap storyline in #332-350 is great, and the issues that followed were maybe even better. I think the book was consistently excellent from around #310 up through #383 or so. And it had its moments before and after as well. Beyond that, though, I'm also a big fan of Gru's work on DP7, especially the first year. And he wrote the always underrated Squadron Supreme, which approached many of the same ideas as Watchmen, just with... well, less artistry, and more dialogue. Its still excellent, though, and asks a lot of tough questions about superheroes. I know not everyone appreciates his work, but I'm a fan.
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Post by Confessor on Dec 21, 2020 11:53:15 GMT -5
#4 – Gerry Conway ( Amazing Spider-Man #111-149, Marvel Team-Up [various issues 1972-1976], Jonah Hex [various issues 1980-1981], The Amazing Spider-Man: Parallel Lives [1989], Atari Force [1984-1985]) Gerry Conway really is such an underrated scribe on Amazing Spider-Man. I mean, yeah, everybody remembers his run for the heartbreaking death of Gwen Stacy – and rightly so because, quite apart from being a watershed moment in comics, it was also a damn good story. But the rest of Conway's run is no less impressive in my view. He had some mighty big shoes to fill when he took over writing ASM after Stan Lee, and we shouldn't forget that if he had failed to write engaging stories, readers would've left the series and it might have even been cancelled. Who knows? As it turned out, Conway's was one of the essential post-Lee runs on the series. Apart from anything else, he introduced the Punisher and the Jackal, co-created the Spider-Mobile, and wrote the first clone saga (a very underrated story arc IMHO). But on top of that, he gave us great stories featuring Hammerhead, the Man-Wolf, and my own personal favourite Z-lister Spidey villain, the Mindworm! He also gave us that utterly ridiculous, but thoroughly enjoyable story in which Dr. Ock almost married Aunt May. We also shouldn't forget how well Conway wrote Peter's private life – particularly in the way that he handled Peter's grieving for Gwen and how he transitioned to Peter's blooming romance with Mary Jane Watson in the wake of Gwen's death. In another writer's hands, such a swapping of love interests might have seemed trite or forced, but Conway made it seem like an entirely natural plot development. I also loved his writing on the Marvel graphic novel Parallel Lives, with its controversial retcon, in which he revealed that MJ had known that Peter was Spider-Man right from the first night he went out as Spider-Man and confronted Uncle Ben's killer, way back in Amazing Fantasy #15. I'm not usually a fan of retcons, but I have to admit, that one made a whole lot of sense to me and went a long way towards explaining why a stunningly beautiful girl like MJ would be so keen to hang out with dorky, bookish Peter right from their first meeting. I also want to quickly mention that in the mid-80s, Conway created the video game tie-in Atari Force and wrote the first 12 or 13 issues. Given its tie-in origins, this comic is way, way better than it had any right to be, and that's chiefly down to Conway's writing. From Amazing Spider-Man, issue #123 (1973)...
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Post by shaxper on Dec 21, 2020 12:08:40 GMT -5
4. J.M. DeMatteis Sadie: Listen to me, my baby-- it's my time-- and that's all there is to it. Beatrice: I-- I think I understand, Mother. But it doesn't seem right. It doesn't seem fair. Sadie: Of course it's fair. What could be fairer? I've known the innocence of youth-- the warmth of a loving family-- the grief of the... last goodbye-- But I see now-- more clearly than ever-- that this is not a time for grief-- it's a time for reaching out-- for sharing the lifetime of love in our hearts-- and-- moving-- on-- Gargoyle: She's gone. --"Time, Run Like a Freight Train...", Marvel Team-Up #119, Marvel, 1982 Moonshadow: I find myself at something of a loss here; for you see, I am approaching the finale of my tale-- and it is a finale that must be classified... for want of a better word... as mystical. Now here is my problem: the transcendent experience, when translated into words... well, frankly, it doesn't translate. One is left with a parade of clichés and little more. But if this clumsy exercise in autobiography is to have any meaning, I must make the attempt-- and yet I know that, in so doing, I will be provoking a certain segment of my audience. "You are being cryptic!" They'll no doubt cry. "You are being vague!" Worse-- they will accuse me of pretention, a truly despicable crime. Still, it is my tale... and I must tell it in my own way: and so I can only beg those of you who will be disappointed or perplexed or perhaps even angered by what follows-- to have patience with a foolish old man-- and to forgive him for trying... so desperately!... to communicate a secret-- that each and every one of you-- already knows. --"With Joy to Hear", Moonshadow #12, Marvel, 1987 Mary Jane Watson-Parker: Harry, now. I can't believe it. Peter Parker: No... not Harry. The. Green. Goblin! --"The Osborn Legacy", Spectacular Spider-Man #189, Marvel, 1992 Also recommended: Defenders, Captain America, Brooklyn Dreams, Abadazad I'm so glad to See DeMateis getting some recognition here. He barely missed my top twelve.
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 21, 2020 12:10:27 GMT -5
On the ninth day of Christmas Santa brought to me the works of Alejandro Jodorowsky... Works that garnered him favorite status: The Incal, The Metabarons, The Technopriests, Screaming Planet, The White Lama, Madwoman of the Sacred Heart What I like about his work: Discovering the Incal at university was a revelation, a mind-bending and mind-blowing experience. It opened up a whole new world of comics for me and lead me on a journey of discovery, and Jodo was my spirit-guide. Jodo's the kind of big idea guy that other big idea guys either take inspiration from or envy. His worlds are both believable and surreal, his characters resonate as human and relatable in some sense no matter how alien, and while exploring the wide weird universe he also delves deeply into the human condition. His work is both thought-provoking and entertaining, and there is something new to discover or something to delight in every offering from his greatest to his least. A Jodo story is always worth the price of admission. Single work I would recommend if you are unfamiliar with Jodo's oeuvre: My first answer would be the documentary Jodorowsky's Dune as that gives incredible insights to his work and creative process, but since this is a comic event. I'll recommend comics, and there are two possible starting points, the better would be the Screaming Planet collection to get a wide breadth of Jodo short stories with several collaborators to give a taste of the breadth of his work while offering a complete whole. There's a 2016 edition, but the works themselves are from the eligible time period. -M The second would be one of the FCBD offerings by Humanoid for the Metabarons, The Incal or whatever to sample and get a inexpensive glimpse at some of Jodo's best before diving in full tilt. Just once, I'd like see an artist actually try to use a weapon like they drew, in a real situation. You'll put your eye out, if you try to aim!
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 21, 2020 12:36:23 GMT -5
#4 Archie GoodwinFor my money, Archie Goodwin was the best editor to ever set blue pencil to paper, in comics. He was the epitome of what an editor should be; not just a traffic manager, but also someone who nutures the talent and helps them craft their best work. He was that rare person in a top position that no one ever (that I read) had a negative word. But, this isn't favorite editors. One of the things that made Archie the best editor was that he was the best writer, without even trying. Archie could write rings around his colleagues, without being showy about it. He wrote complex characters, interesting plots, and great, natural dialogue. He had multiple Batman stories, which were great in their own right; but, his concoction, with a very young Walt Simonson, of Manhunter, really stood out. It was just 8 pages, in the back of those 100-pg issues, but it dominated the book. Archie slowly unveiled a mystery of a man, spoken in whispers, who seems to be both hero and villain. Interpol agent Christine St Claire travels the globe, tracking down rumors, until she finally catches up with the man, and finds the truth is even wilder than the rumors. In those pages, Archie gave us just enough to let our brains add texture to the descriptions of Manhunter's battles. Walt gave us key frames, speeding up or slowing down the pace with the layouts and panel numbers, which he credits to Archie. Christine is a narrator for most of the first third, but you get a sense of who she is. Then, she meets Paul Kirk and they fight their way out of a bad situation. So, she proves quite capable on her own. It just builds and builds, then reaches an epic conclusion, something that didn't happen in mainstream comics. Of course, it helped that Archie was going to Marvel. At Marvel, Archie handled this and that; but, it was on Star Wars that he really impressed me. I've said it before and I will say it again; Archie Goodwin is the best writer to ever pen a Star Wars story, and that includes Leigh brackett, Lawrence Kasdan, Donald Glut, Alan Dean Foster, and Timothy Zahn, let alone George Lucas. Archie understood the archetypes and he made them real characters. After the initial adaptation, the series struggled a bit to figure out what to do next. Roy had a nice idea, about doing The Seven Samurai/Magnificent Seven; but he got a bit too cute about it. When Archie came on, he took us back to Tatooine and showed us what life was now like under direct Imperial rule. We saw former adversaries working together on the planet, in the face of dangerous Imperial experiments. we saw Han confront Jabba and we met an ex-Imperial stormtrooper-turned-bounty hunter, named Valance, who hated droids. We soon learned why and he immediately became one of the most memorable characters in the Star Wars universe, one who I am convinced inspired Boba Fett, as he was presented in the films. If that weren't enough, he gave us a new antagonist, since Lucasfilm was holding back on some things and limited the use of Vader and the reveal of the emperor. So, Archie created Baron Tagge, a rival for Vader, who hates him as much as the Rebel Alliance. He has family money and the power that comes with it, practices with a lightsaber, and bears a grudge against Vader for blinding him. This was really good stuff. Then, Archie took over the newspaper strip and wrote some terrific stories, with Al Williamson and Carlos Garzon on art. Russ Manning had been doing the strip; but, it was never quite as good as the Marvel stuff. Archie changed that. If anything, the newspaper strips became better. Archie also reunited with Walt on the Alien adaptation, for Heavy Metal. There, he got relatively free rein to adapt the movie and he is both faithful to the story and yet adds new layers to Ridley Scott's somewhat thinly sketched characters (using Dan O'Bannon's script). They crafted a masterpiece which stood as an example of how to adapt a movie to the medium of comics and use the structural elements of comics to their best. If that wasn't enough, Archie penned dozens of stories for Warren, while editing the line and almost single-handedly crafted Blazing Combat, one of the greatest war comics anthologies ever created. Archie wrote about real soldiers and real wars, not the Hollywood stuff. He also had the cajones to write a story from the point of view of a Viet Cong guerilla, during the height of the Vietnam War. It got them kicked out of the military PXes and pretty much killed the comic; but, damn it was worth it! Archie would occasionally pen a story, in his latter days, just to keep his hand in and everyone drooled with envy. His legacy is still more how he helped young talent find their best voice and how he created about the only real garden spot at Shooter's Marvel, with Epic, where creativity was applauded, not shoehorned into one template. When he passed away, a light went out in the comic world and they are still looking for a new bulb.
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