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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 11:45:32 GMT -5
I have been a big fan of the DC Multiverse since reading one of the JLA/JSA crossovers back in the 60's. I read all the appearances of the JSA going forward in the revived All Star Comics, Adventure Comics, All Star Squadron and their own series earlier this century. I wasn't a big fan of Infinity Inc or the Young All Stars. I also wasn't happy with some of the choices DC made with new heroes carrying on the JSA's legacy.
So I thought what if DC came to me and asked me to revamp the JSA for today. What changes would I incorporate? What parts of DC history would I use to expand on the modern JSA?
First Superman. I would keep his E2 story. The Daily Star. Clark becoming EIC. Getting married to Lois.
What would I change? I would make Power Girl their daughter instead of his cousin. She takes a different codename instead of Supergirl trying to be her own person. Later on in her life she takes the name Superwoman.
I would also make Conner Kent their son as Superboy giving E2 a Superboy and pulling the Young Justice team (Tim, Cassie & Bart) into E2. He would be born later in their life giving them a new challenge as they settle into middle age. I think it would make the Kent family dynamics much more interesting (this was sparked by the new Superman & Lois CW TV show) as well as giving YJ a distinct history different from the E1 Teen Titans.
My next entry will be Batman (naturally).
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 26, 2021 13:46:12 GMT -5
With rare exception (the BBC and Rathbone takes on Sherlock Holmes jump to mind), I think it hurts a concept like the JSA, which is such a child of its age, to move it forward. It's why, for me, they never made a fourth Indiana Jones movie.
I'd prefer seeing adventures of the 40s-era JSA, in all its innocent glory.
Just as someday, I'd love to see a Batman movie set in the 40s in all its film noir glory.
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Post by hondobrode on Feb 26, 2021 14:09:31 GMT -5
Agree with Prince Hal, I would love to see a Golden Age Batman movie, however, much as I like the WWII era JSA, I still love the JSA and love seeing them in the modern.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 14:14:26 GMT -5
Batman: Starts with normal history with Bruce taking in Dick Grayson as his ward. Dick becoming Robin. A few years later Kathy Kane comes into their lives as Batwoman and her & Bruce get married & have a girl named Helena. There is an age difference of 16-18 years between her & Dick so they really don't grow up as siblings.
Later Dick marries Bette Kane (since she visits her aunt frequently over the years & helps as Bat-Girl). Bruce & Kathy retire. Dick & Bette become Batman & Batwoman. Later Dick becomes a big brother to & then adopts Tim Drake & he trains to be the next Robin. Helena also becomes the next Batgirl.
Conner & Tim become friends & the beginnings of Young Justice are established. I know the timelines don't really line up exactly but so what this is comic books....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 14:27:39 GMT -5
Wonder Woman: Marries Steve Trevor. Has 2 daughters. Lyta & Cassie. Cassie becomes Wonder Girl. Lyta shows little interest in being a super hero until later in life when she assumes her mother's mantle. Cassie becomes friends with Tim & Conner. Flash: Jay Garrick marries Joan and they have a son Bart Allen Garrick. He takes the codename Impulse & joins Young Justice. So this sets up "my version" of the modern era of the Justice Society & establishes Young justice on E2. From there I would pick & choose other legacy characters to expand the roster. Or I would tell "untold stories" of the JSA from 1946-1951. 
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Post by Duragizer on Feb 26, 2021 15:23:46 GMT -5
First Superman. I would keep his E2 story. The Daily Star. Clark becoming EIC. Getting married to Lois.
What would I change? I would make Power Girl their daughter instead of his cousin. She takes a different codename instead of Supergirl trying to be her own person. Later on in her life she takes the name Superwoman. Same for me, mostly. I'd bring "The K-Metal from Krypton" into continuity, making that the first appearance of Kryptonite and the moment when Lois discovers his dual identity. And I'd keep Kal's powers at Fleischer levels. |
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Post by hondobrode on Feb 26, 2021 15:33:22 GMT -5
If DC were smart they'd go back to a character of that level
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 26, 2021 21:11:46 GMT -5
I think they did a good job moving the JSA forward... having them in the 90s as elder statesmen, training the next generation worked really well to me.
The key is to not just move the story, but rather allow the characters to age and develop... which they did (at least for a while)
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 26, 2021 22:42:11 GMT -5
I say keep it as it was, but let it exist after Crisis as the sole parallel world. Superman dies in the Crisis, stopping the Anti-Monitor and Power Girl continues his legacy. Huntress survives and maybe Robin does or maybe he doesn't. Earth-1 had switched to Nightwing; so, Earth-2 could be the only Robin and you have his adventures as an adult or he dies or is injured in the Crisis and give up the role. Huntress protects Gotham City and maintains membership in the JSA. Wonder Woman goes on to her reward and Lyta continues on as Fury. Jack Knight assumes the legacy of Starman in his own series, Jesse Quick assumes her parents role, but has her own costume, with visual tributes to both. Sandy takes over as Sandman, after Wesley retires. The Freedom Fighters were able to operate within occupied territories because Uncle Sam could negate the effects of the Spear of Destiny and they became super resistance fighters.
Black Canary's daughter switches Earths and carries on her mother's legacy, eventually developing a relationship with Green Arrow.
Sylvester Pemberton changes his name to just Stars, while Pat Duggan is Stripes. The Seven Soldiers remain loosely affiliated. Green Arrow & Speedy die in the Crisis, but Artemis breaks away from her parents (Tigress/Huntress & Sportsmaster) and becomes a member. A new Speedy comes on the scene, with her help. Vigilante and Shining Knight continue as before, as does Crimson Avenger.
Blackhawk continues to operate as a freelance security company.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 11:32:46 GMT -5
If DC had just decreased the # of earths in the Crisis (12 or less) I think it would have been great. An earth for modern stories. An earth for JSA. One for CSA. One for Fawcett heroes. One for Quality heroes. And one where time went by normally and you had the legacy passed on that would allow for new people to take up the mantle.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 11:37:28 GMT -5
And at Marvel with Bucky being alive and WWII being 80 yrs ago I feel like Capt America man out of time origin in the modern age needs revised.
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 27, 2021 12:26:38 GMT -5
If DC had just decreased the # of earths in the Crisis (12 or less) I think it would have been great. An earth for modern stories. An earth for JSA. One for CSA. One for Fawcett heroes. One for Quality heroes. And one where time went by normally and you had the legacy passed on that would allow for new people to take up the mantle. A multiverse?! Wa-a-aa-y too complicated. Except for the ten-year-old kids who didn't find it complicated at all back in the fifties and sixties. Yet another great irony about the COIE was the concern that new readers couldn't follow the complexities of the continuity of the DC multiverse. Guess what? by that time, there were no new readers. The only ones overwhelmed by the continuity were the fanboy readers -- most of whom were probably in their 30s -- who were obsessed with violations of it. And as everyone has noted many times, what has been the end result of COIE? A million new continuities, reboots, events, universes, restarts, revisions and # 1 issues. Another example of why reinventing the wheel ain't such a great idea. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 13:21:14 GMT -5
For me I enjoyed DC slightly more than Marvel for embracing stuff like a multiverse, teen sidekicks, fictional cities and so on. With Crisis I felt DC lost some of their charm and one of the things that made them different from Marvel.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 13:25:33 GMT -5
Ironically Marvel has moved into DC territory with Families. DC always had a sense of families in Superman & Batman but has expanded that with Flash, Green Arrow, Aquaman and others. Now Marvel has a Hulk "family". A Spider-Man family and others.
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Post by Duragizer on Feb 27, 2021 15:46:12 GMT -5
For me I enjoyed DC slightly more than Marvel for embracing stuff like a multiverse, teen sidekicks, fictional cities and so on. Marvel's done a 180 on the multiverse thing. They now have more Earths than DC ever had. I'm curious to learn when Marvel first dipped its toe into the multiverse concept. I know various & sundry possible futures/alternate timelines from way back when have been retroactively made their own universes, but I'd like to know which was the first example of a distinctly seperate, parallel Earth. |
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