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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 25, 2022 12:02:58 GMT -5
I haven't seen this posted anywhere so here is the final trailer for Sandman. To me it looks excellent.
And Neil Gaiman talking about the trailer. Dude is a very funny guy.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 25, 2022 21:40:48 GMT -5
Gwendoline Christie as Lucifer......................that could be interesting (I can barely recall who was on that photo collage of the cast, from a while back).
Any time I see David Thewliss I can only picture him as a sexual predator and all around scumbag in Prime Suspect 3. He was so good and so despicable it colors everything he has done since. Kind of the same for Peter Capaldi. Even as Doctor Who I immediately pictured him in drag, lip-synching to Marlene Dietrich.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 25, 2022 21:51:59 GMT -5
Gwendoline Christie as Lucifer......................that could be interesting (I can barely recall who was on that photo collage of the cast, from a while back). Any time I see David Thewliss I can only picture him as a sexual predator and all around scumbag in Prime Suspect 3. He was so good and so despicable it colors everything he has done since. Kind of the same for Peter Capaldi. Even as Doctor Who I immediately pictured him in drag, lip-synching to Marlene Dietrich. That seems apropos for John Dee. |
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Post by Confessor on Aug 2, 2022 5:10:53 GMT -5
I'm excited for this, but ... some of the acting seems a bit wooden to me from that latest trailer. Visually it looks stunning though and seems to have remained fairly faithful to the look of things from the comics, accepting the obvious gender and ethnicity changes in the cast, of course.
One thing I do need to remember when this airs is that it is only an adaptation of the comic, and therefore it will inevitably be a different experience to reading the comic. I say that because already from the trailer alone some of the character's voices (particularly Death and Morpheus) absolutely do NOT sound like how I imagined them from reading the comics. I may warm to them over time though.
I'm looking forward to watching this and seeing exactly what it's like.
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 2, 2022 22:44:53 GMT -5
I'm excited for this, but ... some of the acting seems a bit wooden to me from that latest trailer. Visually it looks stunning though and seems to have remained fairly faithful to the look of things from the comics, accepting the obvious gender and ethnicity changes in the cast, of course. One thing I do need to remember when this airs is that it is only an adaptation of the comic, and therefore it will inevitably be a different experience to reading the comic. I say that because already from the trailer alone some of the character's voices (particularly Death and Morpheus) absolutely do NOT sound like how I imagined them from reading the comics. I may warm to them over time though. I'm looking forward to watching this and seeing exactly what it's like. I was going to say. I have watched two clips, on Youtube, one with Dream & Lucifer and one with Dream and Death. The Lucifer one was very much ACTING!; very showy, very stilted, very mechanical. The Death one had more warmth to it and the actress playing Death did things in a more relaxed, more natural way and Dream said nothing. Some of that is character, but some was acting choices. The actor playing Dream (wait a sec........{Google search}......Tom Sturridge) was really overplaying things, in the Hell clip and I joked on the comments that if they wanted Peter Serafinowicz, they should have cast him, based on the way Sturridge was voicing his lines. The thing is, there is no context for either clip, beyond what's in there and my knowledge of the storylines. It's definitely one that I have to see a lot more of an episode to get a feel for things; but, based on those two clips, I am far more interested in seeing Kirby Howell-Baptiste (Death) than Sturridge or Christie. I want to see the whole thing though; those two may have better moments that offset the bland parts of the clip. I do think it is going to be different than the comics, because you don't have time to dwell on language and images as much, which makes you process it differently. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 5, 2022 5:38:54 GMT -5
I'm excited for this, but ... some of the acting seems a bit wooden to me from that latest trailer. Visually it looks stunning though and seems to have remained fairly faithful to the look of things from the comics, accepting the obvious gender and ethnicity changes in the cast, of course. One thing I do need to remember when this airs is that it is only an adaptation of the comic, and therefore it will inevitably be a different experience to reading the comic. I say that because already from the trailer alone some of the character's voices (particularly Death and Morpheus) absolutely do NOT sound like how I imagined them from reading the comics. I may warm to them over time though. I'm looking forward to watching this and seeing exactly what it's like. I was going to say. I have watched two clips, on Youtube, one with Dream & Lucifer and one with Dream and Death. The Lucifer one was very much ACTING!; very showy, very stilted, very mechanical. The Death one had more warmth to it and the actress playing Death did things in a more relaxed, more natural way and Dream said nothing. Some of that is character, but some was acting choices. The actor playing Dream (wait a sec........{Google search}......Tom Sturridge) was really overplaying things, in the Hell clip and I joked on the comments that if they wanted Peter Serafinowicz, they should have cast him, based on the way Sturridge was voicing his lines. I haven't seen the clip but I always saw Morpheus himself as overacting in the comic; you know, playing his own character in front of others. Always aloof, always the dark and tragic figure, quite unlike his cheerful big sister. So it may be that Sturridge's delivery is a conscious choice. The proof will be in the pudding, I suppose. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2022 7:11:30 GMT -5
It's available now.
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Post by Dizzy D on Aug 5, 2022 11:59:19 GMT -5
4 episodes in and I'm in it's okay to good. There are some changes that work, there are some changes that don't work. Obviously some things had to be changed because they couldn't use some characters, but the things that changed that I didn't like are not related to those.
Keeping it spoiler-free till I've seen the rest of the series, but I'm currently on the adaption of "24 hours" and I am currently not in the mood for that.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 5, 2022 20:45:06 GMT -5
Full marks for pronouncing "Constan-tyne"! I've watched the first two episodes only, but the series seems to be off to a good start. The imagery is really, really good; it pays homage to the comic but makes good use of today's technology. It's a nice mix of what we've seen before and of new material. In adapting the comic, a conscious choice has been made to make things clear from the start instead of letting the mystery simmer for a while: "dear viewers, this is a fantasy series featuring the king of dreams, and here are a few lines of exposition that will tell you what's what." It works, even if it's a bit obvious at times, but personally I had enjoyed the uncertainty of Sandman's first issue. The casting so far is really good; I especially liked Cain and Abel. They look and sound just like their paper counterpart, and their seeming to be of Middle-eastern ancestry fits quite well with the biblical narrative. Charles Dance... That's the guy to go to when you need a sinister, calculating character who's not over the top. Great choice, there, despite his limited screen time. My only reservations are not due to the production itself, but to problems inherent to the very subject; in such fantasy series, a lot of what happens depends on "rules" that are quite unfathomable and seem based on this universal edict : Because The Plot Demands It. For example, when Dream needs to reabsorb something he has created to regain some of his strength, we are led to a rather emotional development. Why couldn't Dream just reabsorb part of his palace? Oh, we're told, he needs to reabsorb something that isn't broken. Fine, but what about those lovely horn gates we passed earlier, then? They seemed to be in good shape! Or what about the mountains in the distance? They seem to look good too; pristine dreamscape. "Nah, nah, let's not go over that; our ad hoc rules mean that only the dramatic development we planned can work. So shut up and enjoy the ride." Looking forward to see the next episodes. And I just started to watch The Boys, too! Curse you, time-consuming televisual offer!!!  |
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Post by Dizzy D on Aug 6, 2022 14:39:37 GMT -5
I've finished Sandman. Basically they go 2 issues (or so) per episode.
I wasn't happy with the changes to a Hope in Hell as I feel that the original was stronger, but I think Gault's character and motivation are an improvement over the original comics characters she replaced.
For the rest I think it's been a pretty good adaption and also good for someone not familiar with the source material. A lot of the DC references are removed (but then some others are put back in).
Episode 6 was my favourite of the series, combining two of my favourite standalone issues into a single episode.
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 6, 2022 18:31:58 GMT -5
I just wanna know if he drinks beer and hits people with the kendo stick......
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 7, 2022 14:48:32 GMT -5
I watched the first episode last night. Some of the acting, like Charles Dance, is good and some is too theatrical, to me. The CGI looks particularly artificial to me; but I tend to find that, in heavy CGI things. I also kind of feel that the obvious attention placed on racial diversity makes some of the period stuff look anachronistic, even within a fantasy series. Not so much in the supernatural characters; but in the parts of the sleeping sickness and crowd shots. I think that works better in more modern settings, where you have more ethnic mixing in society, vs the 1920s, where various groups were ghettoized.
Pretty decent adaptation of the initial couple of issues.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 7, 2022 20:02:43 GMT -5
I just finished the first episode as well... I think my opinion matches up pretty well with Cody's... It was a bit jarring when I realized Lucia was Lucien, and I similarly thought the racist diversity showing in 20s England was a bit weird... that's they way we do things these days though... didn't harm the story at all, just was a bit weird.
The CGI reminded me of Harry Potter, that was fine.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 8, 2022 5:15:16 GMT -5
Episode 3 replaces John Constantine with Johanna, which is for the best since cross-overs might confuse new viewers or distract from the main story. However, I was annoyed by some aspects of the reinterpretation. {Spoiler: Click to show}The Newcastle botched exorcism, which weighed so heavily on John's conscience and was the cause of his recurring nightmares, was entirely his fault. It was because of his hubris that little Astra ended in Hell, and the associated guilt drove him crazy for several years.
Here, Johanna is not guilty of anything, apart from not making sure that no one is going to do anything incredibly stupid behind her back. She was doing a good job of getting rid of a demon when Astra, typical cliché driven by a plot imperative, stumbles onto the scene just in time to be red-shirted. The following nightmares endured by Johanna carry a lot less weight, emotionally speaking, than if she had been the cause of the child's death.
Likewise, Johanna's apparently caring for Dream's well-being (when she tells Matthew to watch over him) is both out of character and surprising, considering they exchanged something like a dozen sentences and did not bond emotionally at all.
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Post by Dizzy D on Aug 8, 2022 6:27:08 GMT -5
Episode 3 replaces John Constantine with Johanna, which is for the best since cross-overs might confuse new viewers or distract from the main story. However, I was annoyed by some aspects of the reinterpretation. {Spoiler: Click to show}The Newcastle botched exorcism, which weighed so heavily on John's conscience and was the cause of his recurring nightmares, was entirely his fault. It was because of his hubris that little Astra ended in Hell, and the associated guilt drove him crazy for several years.
Here, Johanna is not guilty of anything, apart from not making sure that no one is going to do anything incredibly stupid behind her back. She was doing a good job of getting rid of a demon when Astra, typical cliché driven by a plot imperative, stumbles onto the scene just in time to be red-shirted. The following nightmares endured by Johanna carry a lot less weight, emotionally speaking, than if she had been the cause of the child's death.
Likewise, Johanna's apparently caring for Dream's well-being (when she tells Matthew to watch over him) is both out of character and surprising, considering they exchanged something like a dozen sentences and did not bond emotionally at all.
Re. Newcastle: if it was a John Constantine show, I definitely would want the full story as original told, but for a standalone series where they couldn't use John himself, I don't mind things being streamlined and made less complex (they are already introducing many characters and concepts). See also Matthew's backstory as just being a bad person, but not having the whole Swamp Thing links.
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