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Post by MDG on Jan 27, 2022 19:36:20 GMT -5
It's interesting that Swan's Batman and Robin are so "on model" that they don't look like Swan.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 27, 2022 21:21:28 GMT -5
Batman #91 (April 1955) Odd to go an entire three stories without getting one by Bill Finger. Finger has been writing the lion's share of Batman stories in this thread thus far, so this is more than a little surprising. While I generally don't discuss non-Batman features, I was a bit surprised by the Peter Porkchops one-pager, which sends a very clearly anti-McCarthy message to young kids: I'm not sure it took much courage to print this kind of thing now that McCarthy was on the outs, but considering the hold he had over the nation until just recently, it feels subversive all the same. "The Living Bat-Plane!" Script: Edmond Hamilton Pencils: Dick Sprang Inks: Charles Paris Colors: ? Letters: Pat Gordon Grade: C+ While I was aware Batman had a Bat-Plane prior to this issue, it didn't seem to command a lot of attention until now. Suddenly, it plays a key role in every story in this issue. While it's cool to see Batman having such high tech tools at his disposal, and while Jets were certainly the very emblem of cutting edge technology in the 1950s, I really don't understand how a Bat-Plane makes any sense for Batman at all. He's not globe-trotting; he is fighting crime in one city, down narrow streets and alleyways, in and out of buildings. Even with vertical take-off and landing capabilities, how often was he really going to need this thing while fighting crime? We're still a few years away from the introduction of the Whirley-bats. Those certainly made a lot more sense to me. The story is silly, and yet the action is solid: A scientist creates a means for Batman and Robin to remotely control their vehicles, and the controls fall into the wrong hands. Fighting the Batmobile and the Bat-plane makes for great action AND forces Batman and Robin to prove that they are better than their tools, even while showing off just how cool these tools are. Unfortunately, Hamilton feels the need to tack on a mystery in the third act, I guess in order to create more anticipation. What's in the Bat-Plane's secret compartment? Why would it have the ability to "control" Batman and Robin? The solution? Dummies. Really? Their greatest concern, while criminals were flying their high powered jet through Gotham and nose-diving civilians, was that someone might find their dummies and use them to impersonate them? AND what did Batman and Robin do as soon as they found them? They threw them out of the plane, over a large crowd, where anyone would see and have the opportunity to take those dummies. Idiocy. Important Details:1. This story adds yet another far-out scientist the Dynamic Duo works with: Dr. Philip Winters. However, this will prove to be his only appearance. Minor Details:1. While Hamilton does a questionable job on the plot, I truly love his narration here, ably complimented by Sprang and Paris. I'm honestly surprised to find something that eloquent in an Atom-Age Batman story. 2. Speaking of Sprang, I adore this panel: 3. The GCPD must have a pretty hefty budget: A little surprising that they're getting that kind of funding when a masked vigilante does most of their work for them. "Batman's Publicity Agent!" Script: ? Pencils: Sheldon Moldoff Inks: Charles Paris Colors: ? Letters: Pat Gordon Grade: C A criminal mastermind decides the most brilliant way to hinder Batman is to secretly finance a publicity campaign for him, and it's every bit as stupid as it sounds. Really not too much to say about this one beyond attempting to solve the mystery of who wrote it. We can be reasonably sure it isn't Finger. His repeated message of sacrificing personal comfort for the greater good would be at direct odds with the implicit message of this story: In fact, this story feels very much like it was written (once again) by Edmond Hamilton, boasting several notable similarities to the next story in this volume (also written by Hamilton). For one, both stories center around Gotham having elaborate clubs with extensive resources, where wealthy citizens spend their time obsessing over surprisingly niche interests. This story has the Gotham Heroes Club, where everyone dresses up like their favorite hero and thrashes villains if they happen to crash the party: and the next story will center around the Gotham Explorers Club, itself a place of immense resources and niche interests: Another similarity is the surprisingly lame mid-combat banter depicted in both stories. Here's Batman in this story: and here's the villain in the next one: Finally, there's the unmistakable fact that all three stories give a surprising amount of attention to the Bat-Plane, though I suppose this could have been at Schiff's request. Minor Details:1. This panel has gotten me thinking: I'd assumed the big villains were being purposefully de-emphasized at this point, as they seldom seem to show up on the covers of this era. If the writers are comfortable acknowledging that Batman has a Rogues Gallery in 1955, then why the hell aren't they using it? They have to come up with five plots a month, and no one ever says, "Hey, let's just bring back the Joker"? "The Map of Mystery!" Script: Edmond Hamilton Pencils: Dick Sprang (signed as Bob Kane) Inks: Charles Paris Colors: ? Letters: Pat Gordon Grade: D Definitely my least favorite story of this bunch, the conflict centers on an explorer who finds a lost Incan ruin and wants to keep the location secret, while an unknown colleague seeks to discover the location for his own gain. My problem with this story is that I have no idea what's at stake or why I should care. Why are Batman and Robin even involved? Is it to save the indigenous people? Well, they're never mentioned nor shown, so I doubt it. Is it to preserve the dignity of these religious relics? Apparently not, since the antagonist topples all but one of them in an effort to stop Batman and Robin at the end. Is the antagonist even breaking the law? Well, not really beyond ransacking an apartment and letting loose some dangerous ants in order to create a diversion. So then the real goal must have just been to help a wealthy amateur explorer keep his secret. Batman expending all of his energy to protect a wealthy man from having his favorite secret uncovered by a colleague? Bill Finger never would have written a story like that. Minor Details:1. Whereas Finger gave us a clear impression only two months back that Batman and Robin only suit up as needed, Hamilton has them going on regular patrols: It didn't really occur to me until this moment that Batman and Robin of this era only seem to fight crime by day. Is this a morality thing (the adolescent sidekick needs a bedtime), is it so as not to have Batman associated with vampires and other supernatural beings now forbidden by the code, is it for the writer's sake (everyone is awake, and every business is open), or is it for the sake of the colorist? 2. The ants fiasco was such an unnecessary space-filler. What a poorly constructed story.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 27, 2022 21:49:41 GMT -5
Just curious if anyone knows what this curious little logo means:
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 27, 2022 21:57:50 GMT -5
I’ve read the story from World’s Finest #75. It’s OK but it’s not one I’m particularly fond of. I looked it up on Mike’s Amazing World to see if I have a reprint in my collection or if it’s something I got from the library. It’s in Batman Annual #7, which is one of the comics I keep on the nightstand because I read it so much. That I didn’t remember it’s reprinted in one of my favorite Batman reprint books should be a tip-off that it’s not a story I’m enthused about.
But sometimes I re-read these subpar Batman stories and suddenly ... I get it! I used to think Robin Died at Dawn was a dumb story. But now - and for a long time - I consider it a classic.
So I’ll give Superman and Robin another try. I’m intrigued by the Purple Mask Gang and how they adapted to the challenge of Superman when they were expecting to go up against Batman. It doesn’t seem fair.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 28, 2022 0:55:11 GMT -5
Detective Comics #218 (April 1955) "Batman, Junior and Robin, Senior!" Script: Bill Finger Pencils: Sheldon Moldoff (signed as Bob Kane) Inks: Stan Kaye Colors: ? Letters: ? Grade: D- It's becoming obvious by this point that so many of the new self-imposed restrictions we saw in last month's stories (presumably done in response to the establishing of the Comics Code) have fallen by the wayside a bit. No one is giving criminals an opportunity to redeem themselves anymore, and the police themselves are pretty ineffective non-entities instead of admirable comrades in arms once again. Still, the wild sci-fi imaginativeness allows Finger to avoid violence, as the story is fought through sci-fi gasses instead of punches and guns firing. Let's be clear that the premise for this one is utterly absurd. A scientist invents two gasses at the same time -- one to age a person, and one to de-age them. After attempting to provide some kind of rational explanation for how gasses can do this, Finger adds the utterly b.s. idea that de-aging someone also somehow deprives them of the memories they gained during those years: and this ends up becoming the major complication of the issue, as a shady failed scientist steals these gasses and sells them as a youth cure without disclosing the horrible side effect. And, of course, the gasses get used on Batman and Robin. Oh, it could have been a fun premise if it wasn't done so stupidly. The entire thing depends upon the idea that someone who is de-aged loses all the memories they acquired in the years since (as Batman reminds us above), but then why does Batman remember who Winders is and what case they are pursuing? Heck, why isn't his first reaction something like, "My parents...DEAD. Oh god. And who the hell are you?" to Robin. And why the hell is their first order of business to resew the costumes so that they fit appropriately? Why not just switch costumes/identities for the duration of the case instead of putting in all that effort just so that they can go on to confuse everyone they meet afterwards: I get it. Robin was what was selling these books (I continue to suspect), and so giving him the opportunity to be the adult to Batman is a fun idea for kids, but why did the execution have to be so stupid? And, speaking of stupid, here are some of my favorite examples of absurd and lazy logic in this story: Did Finger have some sort of bad life crisis over the past month? Did he suddenly become a heavy drinker or something? Maybe the reason he had no stories in the most recent issue of Batman was that Schiff rejected them? This story just utterly sucks, and Finger was writing such solid stuff up until now. And the art isn't wowing me over on this one, either. Moldoff isn't holding a candle to Sprang, as far as I'm concerned, and even this obligatory action sequence, with some bold perspective and heavy inking, somehow manages to utterly bore me: So yeah, this one really didn't do it for me.
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Jan 28, 2022 11:26:31 GMT -5
Just curious if anyone knows what this curious little logo means: It stands for Independent News, the distribution company owned by National/DC, and one of the biggest distributors in America at the time. I'm not an expert, but other comic companies also used them for distribution, such as EC, and most notably, Goodman/Marvel after the fiasco in the late 50s that left them without a distributor (and Independent News capped them at 8 titles a month for a decade until being sold to Cadence Industries, which owned it's own distribution company, Curtis Circulation).
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Post by chadwilliam on Jan 28, 2022 12:56:22 GMT -5
World's Finest Comics #75 (March-April 1955) "Superman and Robin!" Script: Bill Finger Pencils: Curt Swan Inks: Stan Kaye Colors: ? Letters: Pat Gordon Grade: B Only six stories into the Superman-Batman team-ups that began in Superman #76 (May-June 1952) and then spun into World's Finest, the premise of this story was sort of an inevitability, in which Robin teams up with Superman, and Batman begins to worry that Robin might prefer his new partner. With a cast of three characters, there are only so many combinations of interpersonal conflict an Atom-Aged story can weave among these heroes. Batman being jealous of Superman is certainly the most obvious. And yet, it's powerful: It' a fascinating contradiction that, in today's world, we worry more about realism and about deconstructing our heroes into flawed everymen, and yet the Batman of today would never be portrayed as this vulnerable. It may seem immature and silly, but show me one parent who has never felt exactly this way at some point, and brooded and self-sacrificed in exactly as absurd a manner as Batman does here. Wouldn't we all be jealous of Superman in his shoes (and cowl)? And so, even while Batman proves to be a son of a ****, cracking the case behind their backs, his feelings of jealousy and insecurity were never part of the ruse. If I have a complaint about this story, in which Batman is out of action while Superman and Robin grow close together as a team, its how stories like this one always rely far too heavily on characters unnecessarily lying to and tricking one another. It makes for cheap drama and always feels like a betrayal (both to the reader and to the other characters). And I have oh so many problems with this solution: 1. This feature has already repeatedly emphasized that, in this era, Batman is the brains and Superman is the brawn. So how does Superman recognize the poison just by seeing it AND know what to do about it?Some thoughts: Someone once described the Golden Age Batman as "an eccentric millionaire's hobby" as compared with the modern era's "traumatized youth's obsessive outlet for revenge" and I think no better exhibit for this argument exists than Batman's Trophy room. We find out that Batman's "better make room here for trophies of adventures by Superman and Robin" is a means to procure clues on The Purple Mask Mob without the new dynamic duo knowing what he's up to. To that end we get the following sequence: Batman: Now this stand could hold a small trophy... like a wrist-watch! That's it... the next time you capture a Purple Mask bandit, bring his wrist watch as a trophy! Remember! Superman: uh... ok... if that's what you want, Batman! Robin: What--? I love this so much. It's a crazy request but not so crazy that Superman suspects that it's not just Batman being Batman. I can see Batman remarking later to Superman after his reasonings been explained, "Didn't you find it odd when I asked for his watch?" with Superman saying "Look - you've got The Joker's trousers hanging from the ceiling, a half-eaten sandwich you took from The Penguin in a glass case - how am I supposed to know what's normal with you?" I believe I've posted this before, but.. "Are you fighting criminals just to get their stuff?" indeed. I can understand thinking that if someone tries to kill you with a giant dinosaur you have a right to keep that dinosaur afterwards as a memento, but "Search their pockets for cash, Robin! The... uh... ol' Bat-Trophy Wallet could use some sprucing up!" is a bit suspect. - The whole "we have to keep Batman's occupied with some sort of ruse while he recovers from this substance he doesn't know he's ingested" is a trope which will reappear on at least two other occasions I can think of. Not sure if it's a more popular trope than I guessed or if this was just a well enough remembered story that it would be revisited. - I don't think that "Batman is the brains and Superman is the brawns" is a fair description of their relationship pre-Crisis. I think there's an unwritten rule in comics that if you're a superhero with one special ability, then it's fair to believe that you are the best in that selected field - it's why it was established that Flash was faster than Superman, for instance. I mean, it's only one power that Superman has to accept he isn't the complete master of - how much of a blow can that be when he's got so many others? But in a shared universe, it means that he can't possess the strongest will (Green Lantern), be the most fearless (Green Lantern, again), be the greatest Detective (Batman), be the greatest swimmer (Aquaman), the greatest scientist (Batman) and so on and so on with the end result being that Superman becomes a sort of jack off all trades but master of none. Superman should be King of the Superheroes and as such, should be as intelligent as he is mighty as he is fast as he is... I remember Post-Crisis Superman getting a scrapbook mailed to him indicating that whoever sent it knew his identity. Turning it over to Batman for help, he admitted that while he's got all sorts of powers and can see the fibers of the book down to the last atom, he's not a detective like the caped crusader. Maybe so, but when it turned out that the book came from Ma Kent, it made you ask just how much intellectual curiosity this guy possessed that there wasn't anything he couldn't deduce himself from the fingerprints, scents, hair follicles, etc. of his own mother. Give me microscopic vision, for instance, and I'll be exploring every corner of my house especially if I'm planning to use my abilities to help people - Superman should be no different. That whole "eh, muscles should be enough to get me by - I don't need to learn things" attitude was something about the post-Crisis guy which left me cold. Not to say that Batman shouldn't be a better detective than Superman, but that if you're going to do a long-running series such as this, there needs to be some give and take. "Superman as brawn" gets old really, really fast and is probably one of the reasons why a World's Finest series wasn't in the cards in the ten/fifteen years following Crisis. Besides, if he weren't knowledgeable about poisons and antidotes and what have you, you'd have to wonder why - if the guy can read every encyclopedia ever written in half a second why hasn't he? If he used his x-ray vision on Batman and said "Man - Batman's a mess! He's got all this red water in him - wine, I'm guessing - and ewwwww! A bunch of bones like you see in the dinosaur exhibit at the museum but smaller! How'd those get in there!?" he'd look like an idiot. I think there's also something else at play here - at this time, it was believed that comics should have some sort of educational content to them hence little asides here and there such as the height of Mt. Kilimanjaro, which animals are native to which countries, how the court of Nero worked, etc. I'm sure everyone here knows some fact or word or something that we carry with us to this day which we learned as a little kid reading comics. Having your characters display intelligence goes hand in hand with that. "Wow! If Superman can figure all that out with his x-ray vision, think what I can I do with a microscope!" Having Superman say "Whew! Science is hard! I'll leave that to Batman!" wouldn't be the right attitude in a hero. Besides, every superhero seemed to know how to build either robot doubles of themselves or souped up automobiles or crime gadgets and so forth - why shouldn't Superman?
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Post by MDG on Jan 28, 2022 12:58:58 GMT -5
It's becoming obvious by this point that so many of the new self-imposed restrictions we saw in last month's stories (presumably done in response to the establishing of the Comics Code) have fallen by the wayside a bit. No one is giving criminals an opportunity to redeem themselves anymore, and the police themselves are pretty ineffective non-entities instead of admirable comrades in arms once again.... I'd be reluctant to look for long-term editorial policies around this time. The goal was simple, exciting stories for children.
Also, all of a sudden, children have another visual source of entertainment that costs them nothing. So what can comics give them that TV shows--even The Adventures of Superman--couldn't? Color (Superman was shot in color, but most TVs were still B&W), big props, crowd scenes, chariot races, characters undergoing transformations, self-flying planes.... A lot of times, the criminal plots are just an excuse for the spectacle.
Let's be clear that the premise for this one is utterly absurd.... If we're talking about comics, I think that ship had sailed a while back.
(None of this means that I don't love some of these stories and am discounting what you're doing.)
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Post by shaxper on Jan 28, 2022 14:41:44 GMT -5
Someone once described the Golden Age Batman as "an eccentric millionaire's hobby" as compared with the modern era's "traumatized youth's obsessive outlet for revenge" and I think no better exhibit for this argument exists than Batman's Trophy room. We find out that Batman's "better make room here for trophies of adventures by Superman and Robin" is a means to procure clues on The Purple Mask Mob without the new dynamic duo knowing what he's up to. To that end we get the following sequence: Batman: Now this stand could hold a small trophy... like a wrist-watch! That's it... the next time you capture a Purple Mask bandit, bring his wrist watch as a trophy! Remember! Superman: uh... ok... if that's what you want, Batman! Robin: What--? I love this so much. It's a crazy request but not so crazy that Superman suspects that it's not just Batman being Batman. I can see Batman remarking later to Superman after his reasonings been explained, "Didn't you find it odd when I asked for his watch?" with Superman saying "Look - you've got The Joker's trousers hanging from the ceiling, a half-eaten sandwich you took from The Penguin in a glass case - how am I supposed to know what's normal with you?" I believe I've posted this before, but.. This is priceless. In defense of portraying Batman as a bored millionaire's hobby, you'll note that there are a LOT of bored citizens in Gotham belonging to eccentric clubs with niche interests at this point. It was the 1950s, the pinnacle of American dominance in the world, and the idea of leisure time was gaining public (and consumer) interest in a way that it never had before. Why shouldn't the average American be able to work a good job and come home to a good life? We lost touch with that ideal a long time ago, but it was arguably at its height in the 1950s. After all, why not make your eccentric, resource-dwindling hobby something that helps people? Fair point. I was just surprised by how quick he was to arrive at the wrong conclusions in the previous issue, conceding that Batman AND Robin were wiser than he. I suppose that was necessarily to drive home Finger's point about prejudgments, but as it was my first impression of the Superman of this era, it stuck.
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Post by MDG on Jan 28, 2022 15:11:40 GMT -5
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 29, 2022 14:25:05 GMT -5
If you want to see Bill Finger himself commenting on Bruce Wayne’s weird hobby, check out “How to Be the Batman” from Detective Comics #190. Batman gets amnesia and Robin has to explain it to him.
It was reprinted in Batman Annual #1.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 29, 2022 14:49:41 GMT -5
I’m so happy to see so many ancient Batman reviews! I just wish they hadn’t all popped up when I’m kind of busy. I guess I’ll make scattered comments over the next few days on some of the subjects I found interesting.
This era is not quite a black hole for me as I’ve seen scattered stories, like Batmen of All Nations and the Brane Taylor story and the Aunt Agatha story and the Mental Giant. But there certainly are a lot of them I haven’t read and it’s nice to find out a little bit about something like The Batboy, which I only know from the cover.
One thing that strikes me - oddly enough - is that the much-maligned Aliens Attack era from a few years later seems to be a lot more interesting in general than the stories here. Maybe they decided to include more sci-fi because they were running out of ideas, especially within the restrictions of the code.
Or maybe it’s just me. Although many of them are irredeemably dumb, I like the inventiveness of the stories from the period when it was all random aliens, weird transformations and big monsters.
Here’s some of the topics I hope to tackle in the next few days:
A. The Purple Mask Gang B. The Joker and the Penguin C. Gotham newspapers!
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Post by chadwilliam on Jan 29, 2022 20:39:42 GMT -5
1. This panel has gotten me thinking: I'd assumed the big villains were being purposefully de-emphasized at this point, as they seldom seem to show up on the covers of this era. If the writers are comfortable acknowledging that Batman has a Rogues Gallery in 1955, then why the hell aren't they using it? They have to come up with five plots a month, and no one ever says, "Hey, let's just bring back the Joker"? I think The Joker will make a couple of appearances per year on average for the next little bit while The Penguin will disappear for seven years after Batman #99 and not reappear until #155 in 1963. It's strange - I'm sure you know that Two-Face doesn't appear in the comics from between 1954 and 1971 save for a Worlds Finest appearance in 1968 (and even there, it's not actually Two-Face), but you do see little mementos of him during that period. One story has Batman and Robin trapped in the Bat-Cave and using a giant bust of Two-Face to put out a fire - so he appears as a reminder that "Hey, Batman has this great old foe we want you to know about, but we just won't use him directly". Of course, the assumption is that he was too gruesome for the code, but that didn't stop his old stories being reused in Annuals and little winks here and there. Batman's always had a strange history with his Rogues Gallery. A couple of appearances of The Scarecrow and Riddler and then they're gone for 24 and 19 years respectively. Catwoman will disappear but hey, how about we introduce Cat-Man? So to answer your question - I have no idea, but you're not the only one confused.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 30, 2022 6:33:03 GMT -5
I think The Joker will make a couple of appearances per year on average for the next little bit while The Penguin will disappear for seven years after Batman #99 and not reappear until #155 in 1963. It's strange - I'm sure you know that Two-Face doesn't appear in the comics from between 1954 and 1971 save for a Worlds Finest appearance in 1968 (and even there, it's not actually Two-Face), but you do see little mementos of him during that period. One story has Batman and Robin trapped in the Bat-Cave and using a giant bust of Two-Face to put out a fire - so he appears as a reminder that "Hey, Batman has this great old foe we want you to know about, but we just won't use him directly". Of course, the assumption is that he was too gruesome for the code, but that didn't stop his old stories being reused in Annuals and little winks here and there. Batman's always had a strange history with his Rogues Gallery. A couple of appearances of The Scarecrow and Riddler and then they're gone for 24 and 19 years respectively. Catwoman will disappear but hey, how about we introduce Cat-Man? So to answer your question - I have no idea, but you're not the only one confused. Perhaps it has to do with the Comics' Code's edict that evil has to lose in the end. If the villains come back, did they really get defeated?
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Post by shaxper on Jan 30, 2022 6:39:39 GMT -5
One thing that strikes me - oddly enough - is that the much-maligned Aliens Attack era from a few years later seems to be a lot more interesting in general than the stories here. Maybe they decided to include more sci-fi because they were running out of ideas, especially within the restrictions of the code. We were hitting sci-fi really hard in the first few reviews here. We've only covered a little more than three months of stories at this point, so who knows where the next few stories will take us? As for why sci-fi stories, I think we've already amassed quite a few reasons: 1. Complete with TV and movies (comics can do big effects cheaper) 2. Keep the conflict interesting without using guns and violence 3. Create conflicts that don't necessarily involve bad guys who need to face justice by the end. 4. Justify outlandish covers that grab kids' attention. I'm still getting a feel for this era myself, but I'll agree that the zanier sci-fi stories have generally been the more interesting ones thus far. Here's a totally out-of-left-field question for everyone: When did Batman start being called "The Dark Knight"? Obviously, that doesn't jibe with this era at all. Did it come from an early Batman adventures, was it adopted in the Bronze Age, or was it all Frank Miller's doing?
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