shaxper
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Post by shaxper on Jul 9, 2021 5:45:47 GMT -5
Our recent discussion over in another thread about the Comics Code Authority and the pressures that resulted in its creation have got me hungering for a little vice. What are some pre-code runs, issues, and stories that were truly horrific in their content; the truly morally obscene and reprehensible stuff that actually made a good case for the establishment of the CCA? The weirder and more deranged, the better!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 6:37:42 GMT -5
If you are looking for a decent overview of the "worst" of pre-code horror, this book is a good place to start... I stumbled across a copy of it in our local public library a couple years back. -M
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Post by zaku on Jul 9, 2021 7:37:29 GMT -5
Obviously I have never read his book, but I always had the impression that it was more the positive representation of crime and "deviant" sex that worried him than the horror genre itself.
(And I mean, from a certain point of view it also makes sense: once a kid grows up he can't become a hideous monster from Venus, but he can certainly be a criminal or a "deviant")
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Post by MDG on Jul 9, 2021 8:27:40 GMT -5
Obviously I have never read his book, but I always had the impression that it was more the positive representation of crime and "deviant" sex that worried him more than the horror genre itself. ... Yeah--I think Wertham was more about the constant portrayals of crime and anti-social themes than the images, though there was plenty there as well. On the other hand, it's hard to justify selling something like this to six-year olds...
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Post by zaku on Jul 9, 2021 8:32:28 GMT -5
Obviously I have never read his book, but I always had the impression that it was more the positive representation of crime and "deviant" sex that worried him more than the horror genre itself. ... Yeah--I think Wertham was more about the constant portrayals of crime and anti-social themes than the images, though there was plenty there as well. On the other hand, it's hard to justify selling something like this to six-year olds... Wow! Probably they should have added some kind of advisory on the cover, but I imagine that in that way they would alienate their audience. Comics at the time were only for kids.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Jul 9, 2021 12:00:32 GMT -5
Wow! Probably they should have added some kind of advisory on the cover, but I imagine that in that way they would alienate their audience. Comics at the time were only for kids.
I think the reverse was the case. Comics of the era (especially the post-War) were definitely NOT only for kids, but they were forced to become kid stuff only as a result of the imposition of the Code.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 9, 2021 12:05:20 GMT -5
Obviously I have never read his book, but I always had the impression that it was more the positive representation of crime and "deviant" sex that worried him than the horror genre itself. Oh, I suspect the horror genre was less offensive than the worst true crime and true romance stories. As so many of these titles thrived on shock, I'd imagine there had to be some publishers constantly working to outdo their own offensiveness.
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Post by Mister Spaceman on Jul 9, 2021 14:24:40 GMT -5
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Post by Hoosier X on Jul 9, 2021 15:38:22 GMT -5
Wertham particularly objected to The Mystery of Indian Dick.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 9, 2021 16:29:41 GMT -5
Wertham did attack the superheroes as violent, and Wonder Woman and Batman for specific depravities (homosexuality, predominantly). Harvey Comics had a lot of stuff singled out, from the violence of Black Cat to their horror titles. Harry A Chesler's line had some lurid covers.... some pretty racist images... Alex Schomburg did a ton of lurid material for Timely/Marvel's covers..... Fiction House had a ton of covers featuring bondage and torture, throughout their line. Their Fight comics were filled with racist imagery... So, you can see, there was plenty of material to feed Wertham, the Catholic League of Decency and other groups attacking comics.
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Post by Mister Spaceman on Jul 9, 2021 16:50:07 GMT -5
That Star Comics cover certainly qualifies as "morally obscene." I recall reading that Wertham criticized comic books for promoting "race hatred" in his Senate sub-committee testimony but can't remember how much (if any) attention he gave to this aspect of comics in Seduction of the Innocent. He wasn't wrong that there was highly questionable content in some comics.
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Post by zaku on Jul 9, 2021 16:57:18 GMT -5
If it hadn't been Wertham, it would have been someone else. If the covers are representative of the content, sooner or later a strong reaction would have occurred.
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Post by zaku on Jul 9, 2021 17:44:44 GMT -5
What he had to say about Wonder Woman:
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Post by Graphic Autist on Jul 9, 2021 19:20:43 GMT -5
More covers, please…
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Post by Mister Spaceman on Jul 9, 2021 19:51:18 GMT -5
Ask and you shall receive ...
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