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BATMAN
Jul 19, 2021 21:27:37 GMT -5
Post by codystarbuck on Jul 19, 2021 21:27:37 GMT -5
Been watching more of the '68 cartoons. I don't know where someone said Larry Storch was involved with this show. I wonder if somebody contributing to the IMDB may have confused it with some later version? As far as I can tell, Ted Knight did the narrator, Commissioner Gordon, Alfred, and The Joker! I haven't figured out The Penguin yet. Jane Webb makes Catwoman sound like an OLD WITCH!
One glaring error I saw at the IMDB involved the 1967 Hanna-Barbera FANTASTIC FOUR cartoons. They said Joseph Sirola did the voice of Dr. Doom. NO, HE DIDN'T! The funny thing is, he LOOKED like a young Victor Von Doom. but that was never his voice. I know because in one magazine-- it might have been COMIC BOOK ARTIST or ALTER EGO-- they happened to mention who did Doom's voice, and the INSTANT I read it, it hit me like a slap in the face. I KNEW it was right, though it had never once crossed my mind. And later, when I got to see the cartoons again, for the first time in decades, I easily recognized they were right. And unlike Sirola, it was someone who had done a LOT of voice for H-B... HARVEY KORMAN. (The way he did "Hedley Lamar" in BLAZING SADDLES, his voice was very similar.)
Storch did some incidental voices and did a lot of voicework; but, it is Ted Knight, as is the Penguin. The problem arose because of the voice credits not listing who did which individual voice. Whoever did credits on IMDB made assumptions that were wrong. At first, I thought maybe they were confused with the later New Adv of Batman ; but, Lennie Weinrib did the Joker there. IMDB has had their share of mistakes, over time. I sent in a correction on the credit listing for actor Raynor Scheine, who played the character "Ratsy" in Sam Raimi's The Quick and the Dead and a witness in My Cousin Vinnie (the guy with dirt on his screens and windows, that claimed he saw the defendants through those windows). They had his credits mixed together with German actor Reiner Schone (mini-series Amerika, Babylon 5, as Dukat, and the movie version of The Handmaid's Tale, as Natasha Richardson's doomed husband). Jane Webb was the go-to female voice artist for Filmation, in that era. I assume she was trying for something different than her Batgirl. She also did Betty & Veronica and Sabrina, for the Archie cartoons. Storch did play one of my favorite cartoon characters: Mr Whoopee, from Tennessee Tuxedo, as well as Drac, in the always awesome Groovie Goolies.
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BATMAN
Jul 23, 2021 21:59:12 GMT -5
Post by profh0011 on Jul 23, 2021 21:59:12 GMT -5
I've been plowing thru the 1968 episodes. I know they had more villains than this, but I'm beginning to wonder what was going on. It seems like almost every week, it's Joker, Penguin, Riddler, Catwoman... and one with Mr. Freeze so far. WHAT THE...?
It's been so many decades, but all the way in the back of my memory, I just have this strong feeling that, even when I was about 10 years old, I felt the Filmation BATMAN cartoons were somehow an step DOWN from the SUPERMAN and AQUAMAN cartoons of only 1 or 2 years before. (Of course, my memory may be playing tricks on me. I haven't see those in even longer.)
But I do know the 1973 SUPER-FRIENDS made the 1968 BATMAN look fabulous by comparison! Oh, man, it was so sad to see Saturday mornings going to hell right before your eyes like that.
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BATMAN
Jul 23, 2021 22:01:46 GMT -5
Post by codystarbuck on Jul 23, 2021 22:01:46 GMT -5
I've been plowing thru the 1968 episodes. I know they had more villains than this, but I'm beginning to wonder what was going on. It seems like almost every week, it's Joker, Penguin, Riddler, Catwoman... and one with Mr. Freeze so far. WHAT THE...? It's been so many decades, but all the way in the back of my memory, I just have this strong feeling that, even when I was about 10 years old, I felt the Filmation BATMAN cartoons were somehow an step DOWN from the SUPERMAN and AQUAMAN cartoons of only 1 or 2 years before. (Of course, my memory may be playing tricks on me. I haven't see those in even longer.) But I do know the 1973 SUPER-FRIENDS made the 1968 BATMAN look fabulous by comparison! Oh, man, it was so sad to see Saturday mornings going to hell right before your eyes like that. Simon the Pie-Man is in at least a couple of the shorts; but, the main baddies from the live action series got the most appearances.
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BATMAN
Aug 2, 2021 11:46:35 GMT -5
Post by dbutler69 on Aug 2, 2021 11:46:35 GMT -5
Yeah, Filmation usually went to town on the writing and the backgrounds. They had their money saving tricks and Hanna-Barbera had theirs. I actually enjoy the first season of the Super Friends over much of the rest of the series, except for Challenge of the Superfriends. That one rises above all, thanks to the villains. First season has some pretty good plots and stories, even if they did struggle under the heaviest Standards & Practices restrictions. Later series had better over all individual episodes; but, the overall quality of that season, compared to the unevenness of others, ranks it pretty high on my list. Galactic Guardians has a couple of really good episodes and some better character designs (since they continued the Jose Luis Garcia Lopez revamp, from Legendary Super Powers Team); but several are just kind of "okay." I tend to find most of the series had about 1/3 great episodes, about a third good and some bad, with a couple of variations to the proportions. Thank you! I thought I was the only one who would stick up for season 1 of the Super Friends. It gets bashed a lot, but I have to stick up for season 1 (the Wendy & Marvin season) of the Super Friends, too. First of all, the plots are better than in the Zan & Jayna seasons. The plots Zan & Jayna years tend to be ridiculous and sometimes just ape-sh*t crazy. The Season 1 plots are more grounded in reality. Also, Season 1’s episodes were a full hour (well, 50 minutes) episode, and of course, it’s much easier to tell a good story with more time. You have more time for characterization, building suspense, resolving the problem, etc. Yes, Wendy and Marvin have no superpowers, but then again, neither to Batman and Robin. Yes, Marvin is a goofball, but Zan is a goofball too, perhaps even more so. Yes, the villains often, perhaps even most of the time, wind up just being misguided individuals who repent at the end, but this is not true of all of the villains. Besides, shouldn’t we encourage second chances and redemption? Plus, this gave the show an opportunity to give a moral lesson to the kids. Having said all that, Challenge of the Super Friends and the last two seasons (Super Powers Show and Galactic Guardians) are clearly the best Super Friends seasons, but I think that Season 1 has been unfairly maligned. I’ve watched all of the Super Friends episodes within the past few years and I liked season 1 more than I thought I would. I think if you watch of few episodes of the Wendy & Marvin Super Friends and a few episodes of the Zan & Jayna episodes with an open mind, without preconceived ideas, will at least agree that the Wendy & Marvin plots are less silly and more realistic.
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BATMAN
Aug 2, 2021 11:47:39 GMT -5
Post by dbutler69 on Aug 2, 2021 11:47:39 GMT -5
I have the 1978 New Adventures of Batman, but I've never seen the 1968 cartoon. I will have to look for it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 12:30:09 GMT -5
Season 1 of Super Friends rules! The DVD's that make up that season on Amazon get 4.5 stars out of 5, so I think we are not alone on some love for that era. My small "shrine" to the Super Friends (toys/cartoons/comic books, it all blends together for me):
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 2, 2021 22:02:43 GMT -5
Season 1 had to follow the big crackdown in cartoon violence, following the Adv of Batman, where the Dynamic Duo actually punched and kicked the villains and henchmen and threw things at them. That led to a huge furor and the networks instituted mandates to get the parental watchdog groups off their backs, which included an educational mandate. So, H-B couldn't have fights or other violence and the stories had to have an educational element. They predominantly met that by having the episodes revolve around environmental concerns, since that was a hot topic, at the time (too bad the majority didn't pay attention then, given what we are dealing with now). Most of the villains are actually trying to accomplish good things; but they cause unintended side effects. A civilization has run out of power, because it used up all of it's fuels, so a representative comes to Earth to steal energy and transport it back to his world. Another is trying to raise the temperature on Earth so his people can migrate there, because they have so polluted their own world that the temperatures plummeted. Another wants to reduce the size of people to extend available resources, but never bothered to ask if people wanted to be shrunk. Another builds a sophisticated computer control system that can operate vehicles safely and more efficiently than people and handle other aspects of life. people turn over their work to it and settle into a life of luxury, while their brains atrophy because they face no challenges. Then, a small mouse gets inside the system and shorts out circuits, causing things to go haywire, in this perfect automated system.
All of these were intriguing ideas and were well developed, if somewhat metaphorically and some of the solutions were simplistic. It sent a definite message that resources are finite and renewable energy was the course for the future, as well as tighter controls on pollution, because of the delicate balance in the eco-system. Also, they way to institute an idea for the betterment of mankind is not by imposing your idea on people, without their consent, not to mention that the "Road to Hell is paved with good intentions!"
The Planet Splitter episode was a favorite, as a scientist and his buddy are rocketing off to mine for minerals in an asteroid (or planetoid) and Wendy relates the parable of the planet Krypton to them, allowing an episode that showed Superman's origin story. The episode with The Raven had an actual crook, who tries to get revenge on Superman, but is undone by his own arrogance. The Professor Baffles episode, with the disappearing formula, was intriguing as the various Super Friends fell into traps and you then waited to see how they would get out of them, while Wendy and Marvin tried to help the professor escape the crooks who were manipulating him.
Nearly 50 years later, I can recall the episodes with great clarity (though I do own the DVDs), because they were well developed stories. No, they couldn't fight and no, there were very few real villains; but, there was plenty for the imagination and the brain. Some of the names of the guest characters were real groaners, like Dr Shaman and his electro-magnet he used to try to pull in asteroids, to mine the minerals (The Shaman U) or Dr Noah Tall.
I found it more interesting than the bulk of the next series, The All-New Super Friends Hour, which introduced Zan and Jayna. The educational element meant preachier morals (especially the Wonder Twin segments). The half hour Justice League segment varied quite a bit, with some really good stories and some just okay. Not many villains there, either, other than Manta (not Black Manta) and the Grim Ghost. Most of the shorter segments, with various pairings of Super Friends were kind of run-of-the-mill, with a few that stood out. The guest hero segments and the main story were really the only parts I enjoyed and the guest hero plots usually didn't have enough time to do much with them. Rima was an odd choice; but, she had a comic (which I think was cancelled by then) and she was a female, though why not Black Canary, I don't know.
Challenge was closest to being a JLA cartoon, with the villains, though it always suffered because they could never lay hands on the villains and the deathtraps were usually short-lived. Plus, I wanted to see more of the Hall of Doom and the Hall of Justice, but that meant more drawing and that wasn't going to happen. The companion All-New Super Friends had some good ones, like the Phantom Zone villain episode and the one with the Olympian Gods, as well as the riff on The Fantastic Voyage.
World's Greatest Super Friends used storybook themes, with mostly good results.
The early 80s season, prior to Legendary Super Powers, were all over the place. Legendary and Galactic Guardians were a distinct improvement; but, they still had some so-so stories. I'd put the original series ahead of seasons 5, 6 and 7 (1980, 81 and 83).
Personally, I liked Wendy and Marvin, as they actually learned and grew and tried to help, without powers. Zan & Jayna were mostly kept out of the long-form episodes and were usually needing rescue when they were in adventures with the adult JLAers. They never really developed their powers well and stuck with the same configurations, again and again. I grinned when I spotted Marvin in Kingdom Come.
The comic book actually established Wendy to be Bruce Wayne's niece (how, I don't know, since he was an only child), which made for an interesting family connection. Wonder Dog I always found more tolerable than Gleek (liked him better when he was Blip, in Space Ghost).
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Post by majestic on Aug 6, 2021 7:36:06 GMT -5
Wendy is not Batman's niece. She is the niece of a detective involved in Batman's training. Marvin is the son of Diana Prince who "gave" her name to Wonder Woman to use in Man's World. Although this could have been retconned again and I don't know it.
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BATMAN
Aug 24, 2021 20:28:48 GMT -5
Post by profh0011 on Aug 24, 2021 20:28:48 GMT -5
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Post by profh0011 on Aug 27, 2021 12:20:34 GMT -5
Today's movie: my God, WHAT A CAST! Crazy but true: the 3rd guy on the left is the one responsible for there being an Adam West BATMAN show. William Self worked his way up to head of production at 20th Century-Fox TV. He was at the Playboy mansion the night Hefner ran the 2 1940s BATMAN serials, got inspired, and ASSIGNED William Dozier to make the show. Dozier hated the idea... but after it hit #1 in the ratings, there was no way he was going to admit that.
Robert Cornthwaite ("Professor Carrington") appeared on BATMAN's 2nd season as "Alan A. Dale", the guy who was running the Wayne Foundation, embezzling money from it, held Bruce Wayne in contempt, and apparently... had a serious CRUSH on The Archer.
Paul Frees ("Professor Voorhees", far right) was the voice of Boris Badenov, and later, the voice of Ben Grimm on the 1967 FANTASTIC FOUR cartoons.
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Post by Prince Hal on Aug 27, 2021 14:24:51 GMT -5
^^ Not just a superb sf movie, but one of the great movies, period. Excellent direction, sets and costumes that have a realistic, lived-in look, a crackling good script delivered at near-light speed, and solid acting from a cast of pros. Howard Hawks is credited as the producer and Christian Nyby as director, but the spirit of Howard Hawks saturates every frame of this movie.
No "Thing," no "Alien", no "Predator," etc., etc.
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BATMAN
Aug 29, 2021 18:11:43 GMT -5
Post by profh0011 on Aug 29, 2021 18:11:43 GMT -5
" THE THING FROM ANOTHER WORLD" slowly worked its way up in my psyche to being a "perennial" (watching about once a year), but then, before I even noticed, more like twice a year. UNTIL I watched it as part of a chronological sci-fi movie marathon 2 years ago. Downstairs, there's several stacks of videotapes, all from that marathon, still stacked by year... but... inexplicably (par for the course around here), " THE THING FROM ANOTHER WORLD" isn't there. It's GONE MISSING. W--T--F!!! So last week I just threw my hands up and ordered the DVD. Got it Friday, WATCHED it Friday. Was quite surprised, in that there's 4 short scenes on that disc I have NEVER seen before. All "character" stuff. 3 of them are between when they brought the block of ice inside (a foolish move, had they left it outside, it would have stayed frozen) and when Bob suggests 2-hour shifts. (" I think you're right, sir." -- running joke) The 4th is just before Nikki reads Carrington's notes. He talks about Earth being invaded, and it's the one time in the film you can see genuine CONCERN about how dangerous the situation is. After that his lack of sleep gets in the way of his thinking clearly. That one brief bit made Carrington more sympathetic, and I thought back on it later at the end when Scotty said he was "recovering from injuries sustained in the battle" and someone else said, "Nice job, Scotty." It's gonna take some getting used to. The previous cut (which I taped off of AMC back in the 90s, I think), I've seen a couple dozen times by now.
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BATMAN
Oct 1, 2021 7:45:12 GMT -5
Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 1, 2021 7:45:12 GMT -5
I'm been watch some stuff on HBO Max while I have it (waiting for Hawkeye/Book of Boba Fett to swap back to disney plus)... So far I really like 'Bad Blood'.. it was a small bit of Dick Grayson and Damian as Batman and Robin... the main plot had Talia trying to mind control the world. I did NOT like Flashpoint much... the art was rushed and very stylized (almost anime) but not in a good way. 'Titans vs Justice League' was decent.. mostly focused on Damian leading to work with others, which was not what I expected at all, but wasn't terrible.
Probably going to try 'Batman: Ninja' next.. seems a bit odd, but could be fun.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 5, 2021 7:52:30 GMT -5
I'm been watch some stuff on HBO Max while I have it (waiting for Hawkeye/Book of Boba Fett to swap back to disney plus)... So far I really like 'Bad Blood'.. it was a small bit of Dick Grayson and Damian as Batman and Robin... the main plot had Talia trying to mind control the world. I did NOT like Flashpoint much... the art was rushed and very stylized (almost anime) but not in a good way. 'Titans vs Justice League' was decent.. mostly focused on Damian leading to work with others, which was not what I expected at all, but wasn't terrible. Probably going to try 'Batman: Ninja' next.. seems a bit odd, but could be fun. You should try Long Halloween, that was one of the best DC animated films in a while.
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BATMAN
Nov 2, 2021 21:56:53 GMT -5
Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 2, 2021 21:56:53 GMT -5
Watched Long Halloween as suggested.. wow, that's some awesome ambience. This almost outdoes Batman: The animated Series in giving an awesome, old time Gotham. Very well done indeed! It could never be my favorite with no Dick Grayson in it, but definitely the best art.
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