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Post by Dizzy D on Apr 20, 2016 8:10:27 GMT -5
I picked up the new Spirou and Cutting Edge part 3 this afternoon.
The new Spirou, I can't describe the anticipation for that title. The title promises the return of the Marsupilami to Spirou and for a non-Spirou reader that would mean nothing, but it's a character that hasn't been in the title since 1968 and his return has been eagerly requested for the past 40-50 years by Spirou fans. This request was difficult because while Marsupilami was created as a character for Spirou, publishing rights to him were owned by his creator Andre Franquin (the same counts for character Gaston LaGaffe).) The Marsupilami (not the one that appeared in Spirou as part of the cast, but another member of the same species) later got a solo-series by Marsu Productions, a publishing house founded by Franquin and friends/colleagues and even had a short (terrible, terrible) cartoon by Disney.
So what changed? Dupuis (publisher of Dupuis) bought Marsu Productions in 2013, thereby gaining the rights to use Gaston and Marsupilami in Spirou again. Hope I'm not disappointed after 30 years of wishing for this (I'm not old enough to be around when the Marsupilami originally appeared, but read the series as a kid and was disappointed once he disappeared from the series).
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 20, 2016 8:34:04 GMT -5
I picked up the new Spirou and Cutting Edge part 3 this afternoon. The new Spirou, I can't describe the anticipation for that title. The title promises the return of the Marsupilami to Spirou and for a non-Spirou reader that would mean nothing, but it's a character that hasn't been in the title since 1968 and his return has been eagerly requested for the past 40-50 years by Spirou fans. This request was difficult because while Marsupilami was created as a character for Spirou, publishing rights to him were owned by his creator Andre Franquin (the same counts for character Gaston LaGaffe).) The Marsupilami (not the one that appeared in Spirou as part of the cast, but another member of the same species) later got a solo-series by Marsu Productions, a publishing house founded by Franquin and friends/colleagues and even had a short (terrible, terrible) cartoon by Disney. So what changed? Dupuis (publisher of Dupuis) bought Marsu Productions in 2013, thereby gaining the rights to use Gaston and Marsupilami in Spirou again. Hope I'm not disappointed after 30 years of wishing for this (I'm not old enough to be around when the Marsupilami originally appeared, but read the series as a kid and was disappointed once he disappeared from the series). Houba! Houba!I haven't read a lot of Spirou in recent years... After the daring but unsuccessful attempt to reboot the series as a more serious one ("Machine qui rêve") and the effective reboot that came after that (bringing teen Spirou to the present... gah!) I sort of lost interest. Most reboots don't agree with me. I did love the "what if..?" type stand-alone stories like the one in which Spirou is a groom in a hotel commandeered by the nazis during WWII; it had all the freshness of the early years combined with a modern sensibility. Good stuff. Has the Spirou series as a whole been good during the past decade, Dizzy D?
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Post by Dizzy D on Apr 20, 2016 8:51:41 GMT -5
The Morvan and Munueara run was pretty bad, I agree. I like the Yoann&Vehlmann run a lot (even if they referenced their What If-series issue in the main series. THAT WAS NOT THE DEAL VEHLMANN!), definitely more than Morvan & Munuera and Nic & Cauvin (though in the last case, they were handicapped by editorial), maybe even more than Fournier. They have callbacks to Franquin and Fournier, but also do their own thing, BUT THEY BETTER NOT SCREW ME ON MY MARSUPILAMI APPEARANCE, VEHLMANN!
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Post by Dizzy D on Apr 21, 2016 6:14:17 GMT -5
Mmm... mhmmm... So, I finished "The Wrath of the Marsupilami" ( La colère du Marsupilami for us purists). It's... not bad. I'm still digesting it. So, it's the actual Marsupilami, not some trick, so Vehlmann may live... for now. A lot of callbacks to some old Franquin issues and it's actually quite continuity heavy for an European comic as it explains where the Marsupilami went after Franquin's last issue and why he was not mentioned a lot since then. We get Zantafio as the villain, who at some points seems to redeem himself and then turns villain again (which worked really well for me as I like more complex villains, but the drug use felt a bit like a big red arrow pointing at him with "Look, drugs! Villain! Villain!!".) I like the small Naruto reference. Also I really like the return of all the Gaston support characters (Fantasio is back working at the redaction of Spirou Magazine). Don't like that they felt the need to go continuity heavy on this (even if I know all the backstory). For those interested, spiroureporter has an english translation of the first few pages (just discovered it when searching for images). spiroureporter.net/2015/11/26/christmas-comes-early/ The interview spoils a lot of plotpoints though (oh and upcoming in Une Aventure Par... the one-shot series: "Fantasio gets Married" by Yann and Dany).
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 21, 2016 9:15:04 GMT -5
If Fantasio is back at Spirou, does it mean Prunelle is out of a job? (Or maybe they're still working on different floors, which would make it possible for Fantasio never to run into Gaston. I'd love to see Gaston again if only for a cameo but I suppose legal reasons might, as usual, make it difficult).
Looks like a good time to check back on Spirou and company!!!
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Post by Dizzy D on Apr 21, 2016 10:09:04 GMT -5
Gaston can show up again now Dupuis owns Marsu Productions (in fact, I think he might have already? Will recheck the last few issues, because I remember a sneak cameo, but can confirm it yet).
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Apr 21, 2016 10:26:05 GMT -5
Last spirou run I followed was Tome & Janry, so I guess that must have been some 20 years ago. I did read that retro special in the hotel during WWII, and it indeed was amazing! On that note, did you guys get the new Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse comics produced in France by Tébo, Cosey, Régis Loisel, Lewis Trondheim, Kéramidas et Brigitte Findakly? Tghose were truely great. Trondheim is in my opinion one of the top 5 creators in the world comicswise, and this is a significant piece of history in hte making.
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Post by Dizzy D on Apr 21, 2016 10:27:32 GMT -5
*adds to his to-read list*
That top one looks amazing.
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Post by Batflunkie on Apr 23, 2016 15:20:15 GMT -5
It's kind of exciting see how many Franco-Belgian comics are getting published in English these days, seems like digital has kind of opened the pandora's box as to make it viable to smaller publishers
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Apr 23, 2016 20:12:59 GMT -5
I was just watching live (pirate stream) this evening's edition of "On ne peux pas plaire à out le monde" (the most popular french talk show on national TV, "one cannot please everyone"...). The show is 3 hours long and usualy feature a cast of guest ranging from politicians to Tv stars, investigation journalists, musicians, philosophers, etc.. Tonight, Johan Sfar was one of the guest. Johan Sfar is one of the top french Cartoonist, one that have successfully made the transition from comics to movies while still being very productive in the comic department. He was indeed invited because of his latest graphic novel, and for no other reason since that one didn't have any polemical topic or anything. So we got Sfar discussing and exchanging for 20 minutes on national TV, with a host and two journalists in front of him who had read hs latest work and asked questions, exchanged points of view, other guest inserting themselves in the conversation. Sfar was also welcomed to step in when it was the other guests' turn. The fact that htis all seemed so normal and casual reminded me what is easily taken for granted : how comics are a vital part of culture and not underground culture, and that I'm blessed to be able to witness and experience it. To put it in perspective, Sfar is kind of a mix of Miller and Eisner but still qiute young, and he isn't a star, he's just accepted, nothing more, but that's just fine. He won or was nominated for every possible prestigious awards in comics, and he wasn't even questioned on those, he wasjust there to talk about his latest book and his views on creativity and such. That was really nice. If you don't know about him, I urge you to check him out ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joann_Sfar) as I haven't read a single disapointing comic from him (and I sure own at least 50 albums of his!)
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Post by Dizzy D on Apr 24, 2016 11:01:59 GMT -5
If Fantasio is back at Spirou, does it mean Prunelle is out of a job? (Or maybe they're still working on different floors, which would make it possible for Fantasio never to run into Gaston. I'd love to see Gaston again if only for a cameo but I suppose legal reasons might, as usual, make it difficult). Looks like a good time to check back on Spirou and company!!! I checked this weekend and I was right, Gaston is in Spirou #54 "Le groom de Sniper Alley". It's only a short appearance in a 3-panel flashback (Fantasio notices a trap in a temple and tells Spirou how he set a similar trap for Gaston once to prevent him from eating the waffles Fantasio's aunts had baked for him.)
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Post by Dizzy D on Jul 9, 2016 16:06:38 GMT -5
Remakes, retakes, mature takes. These seem quite popular in Europe lately. Marc Legendre's Amoras,a mature take on Vandersteen's Suske&Wiske was quite a success (but I never read it cause I generally don't like this kind of thing) and Romano Molenaar's J. Rom was a superhero take on Suske&Wiske's supporting character Jerom. (And technically Machine Qui Reve tried this as well with Spirou, but I liked that take and it's been ages since then, so it doesn't fit completely). So now we get a mature/serious version of Lucky Luke: L'Homme Qui Tua Lucky Luke " The Man Who Killed Lucky Luke" by Matthieu Bonhomme Apparantly more of this type of things are coming and with these type of things I mean different takes on Lucky Luke rather than a mature reboot. It's the characters 70th birthday this year and several artists will participate from what I've heard. So more An Adventure of Spirou by... idea than Amoras. Luke is one of the few characters a I have no problems with a mature take, partly because the western genre easily fits serious and comedic takes IMHO and because Luke already had some more serious takes in the beginning of his career. Having read the issue, I'm a bit ambivalent. Any new take on a classic character is always having to meet high expectations. There is a recurring joke where Luke tries to smoke, but circumstances always prevent him to (near the end of his career Morris decided that a hero like Luke smoking was a bit example for kids, so he switched to a piece of straw with repeating jokes thrown in whenever things weren't going Luke's way that he was distracted by wanting a smoke). The rest is Luke entering a small town, getting into a conflict with the local law enforcement ("You always serve the Law, don't you, Luke?" "I always serve Justice.") who are either incompetent, corrupt or both. The villagers ask well-known hero Luke to investigate the hijacking of the stage coach that was the town's only link to the outside world regarding supplies and money. Luke gets assistance from washed-up, almost-legendary-hero-but-not-quite Doc Wednesday (pretty clear who he is based on). No Daltons this time, no Rataplan, his horse Jolly Jumper is not talking/thinking (but does show intelligence far beyond a horse), Luke's skills are still superhuman. The plot does take some interesting twists, even if the first couple of twists you can see coming a mile away. The interaction between Luke and the people around him is the best part of this version; for all his skills as a gunfighter, Luke is an outsider in the town, a respected hero, but not one of them and that limits the things he can do and can get them to do. Also the interaction between Wednesday and Luke are great; Wednesday is what Luke would be if he was a bit older, if he didn't get a kill on famous bandits like Phil Denver or the original Daltons (remember how I said that Luke had some more serious stories early on?) and most importantly, a gunslinger who messed up once. A man who could have been a legend, but wasn't. What sets Luke apart from Wednesday? Is he more skilled, smarter or in the end is he just a Lucky Luke? Overall it's a more standard western story, problem is that we already have a lot of those done extremely well in European comics (hello, Blueberry) and even a western done extremely well (by Bonhomme himself (the amazing Texas Cowboys), though he had help from Trondheim there). It's not a bad comic and it's an interesting take on a classic character, but if you're unfamiliar with Lucky Luke, I'd recommend the Morris/Goscinny issues (yes, that's setting the bar really high. Goscinny and Morris are both legends in the European comic book scene) and if you want a good western story, I'd recommend Blueberry or Texas Cowboys. If you have an itch for more western comics or want to take a new take, then give this a try. I was not amazed, but I also didn't regret buying this and looking forward to other comics that celebrate's Luke's 70th birthday.
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Post by foxley on Jul 9, 2016 20:22:20 GMT -5
Having recently read and really enjoyed Cinebooks English translation of The Scorpion by Desberg and Marini, I was wondering if anyone could recommend some similar European comics?
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Post by Dizzy D on Jul 11, 2016 6:33:39 GMT -5
Depends, what did you like about the Scorpion?
If the artwork, the same artist has done Gypsy, Raptors and Eagles of Rome.
Desberg has written a lot of very varying quality. My favourite is Gaspard de la Nuit, but that one was never translated AFAIK.
If you liked a historical/adventure comics, there are a ton of those. So I'd need to think about that for a while.
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Post by foxley on Jul 11, 2016 19:00:17 GMT -5
Depends, what did you like about the Scorpion? If the artwork, the same artist has done Gypsy, Raptors and Eagles of Rome. Desberg has written a lot of very varying quality. My favourite is Gaspard de la Nuit, but that one was never translated AFAIK. If you liked a historical/adventure comics, there are a ton of those. So I'd need to think about that for a while. Thanks Dizzy. I appreciate any recommendations you can make. I definitely enjoyed the art. I have looked at Gipsy, but Marini's art seemed more 'cartoony' there than it did in Le Scorpion. I also found the sci-fi setting somewhat off-putting, which also tells me something about what I'm looking for. I guess I am looking for something in the historical/adventure vein. I'm guessing Eagles of Rome is historical. What's Raptors about? I also enjoyed the writing, but I think I am looking for something with a similar subject to Le Scorpion.
So I guess I really am looking for something in the historical/adventure vein, but with a similar feel to Le Scorpion. A 'serious swashbuckler', if that is not a contradiction in terms.
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